Whats the Goodest BP Rifle?


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Bruz
January 1, 2003, 04:25 AM
This is probably over at TFL, but figured might as well start one here. Looking at getting a BP rifle, at this time only to extend deer hunting season. Looking for a modern, simple one with tuperware stock. It does'nt appear they are that expensive so cost is not a factor. One has 3 different ignition systems available on one rifle...whats the best? Can you mount a scope on all of them, or is that against the law re: hunting. (I may be hunting in just about any State). Heard of one that has exchangable barrells, seems like a good idea? Thanks, once again. HAPPY NEWYEAR!

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guy sajer
January 1, 2003, 02:27 PM
Most can be bought for less than $500 . How much do you want to spend ? Stick with 209 primer ignition system ! It's the key to 100% ignition followed closely by maintainance . You Must thoroughly clean your gun after firing . I recommend running a cleaning patch down the barrel between every shot when using black powder or Pyrodex.

You can buy a Thompson Center 209x50 Encore for right at $500 . It allows you to use one gun all year because you can buy interchangeable barrels . 22-250 , 243 , 30-06 , 300 Win mag are examples .

I sell most of the major brands in our store . In a typical season (Nov. through Dec.) we move 200-300 muzzle loaders . CVA and Traditions are on the low to mid level price . Very good quality for the dollar . We sell a Traditions Tracker 209 for $99 that will get the job done . It has the "glow" hi-vis type open sights and is scope ready . It will easily do the job out to 100yds .

Savage has the 10ML that allows you to also use smokeless rifle powder . It leaves your barrel clean and no messy , smelly clean-up (wives like this aspect as the sulphur smell seems to stir them up). $400 approx .

There are lots of choices out there . Most all are very well made and shoot accurately .

Mitch

www.oldeenglishoutfitters.com

Bruz
January 1, 2003, 07:50 PM
Thanks Mitch, checking out your site next...that's alot of rifles sold in such a short period of time! Price is not a big factor, don't have money to throw away but would rather buy one and have it get better with age. (Got 3 Browning shotguns which are worth much more now than when new, not that I would ever sell any firearm but like the idea of having my great grandkids shoting them!). Why would a rifle have the option of useing 3 different ignition systems? And the replaceable barrels, are those black powder also? Thanks.

sixgun_symphony
January 1, 2003, 08:24 PM
If you want a BP muzzle-loading rifle that will increase in value, then you want to get a custom made traditional rifle.

http://www.clarkindustries.on.ca/gunw.html

http://www.flaminharry.com/amprices.html


The reason why some modern inlines have more than one ignition system is that the shotgun primers may not be legal for some areas. The musket caps would be the choice for many when shotgun primers are not allowed. Yet local shops may not have the musket primers for sale, so the system for the much more common #11 percussion caps is available too.

guy sajer
January 1, 2003, 08:28 PM
Your welcome .
Ohio has a short black powder deer season right after Christmas . It runs about 5 days . We sell quite a few of them as Christmas gifts for that season . It never ceases to amaze me how many people wait until the last minute (a week or two before season) to buy their gun . I would recommend buying it in the summer and then become familiar with it . But it's the same every year .
Yes , a few hundred seems like a lot . We have a fairly large store that sells approximately 7,000 regular firearms per year . From Hi Point and Phoenix to Wilson , Les Baer and Merkel .
The Thompson Center Encore allows you to use the same shooting platform all year . Check www.tcarms.com
Besides a .45 or .50 caliber muzzle loader , you can get a 12 ga turkey or deer slug barrel , 22-250 Rem barrel for varmits , 30-06 for big game etc .
All utilizing the same action/receiver . All you change is the barrel .
As far as the ignition system . Some states require you use the traditional #11 percussion cap . Some like Ohio don't care . So we recommend the 209 shotgun primer ignition because it is resistant to moisture and provides many more times the spark/fire .

mitch

Bruz
January 1, 2003, 09:14 PM
Thanks for the info Sixgun, think I'll edit my post where I said price is not a big factor! Those ML are beautiful, but I would be afraid to use them. Not looking for an investment, just rather buy quality...

Mitch, if all you do is replace the barells I assume they are muzzel loaders also? I guess with the hammer system they could be center fire though, do you have the option? Be interesting having a black powder shotgun...think I am in love, saw this on gunbroker. http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=6775137 :what: can you get one like this?

guy sajer
January 1, 2003, 09:43 PM
Check that TC site when you get time . I think it will communicate it better than I am .
They are centerfire rifle caliber barrels and shotgun barrels that fit on the Encore . All are interchangeable .

1911
January 2, 2003, 01:02 AM
Does Ohio still ban sabots?

When I use to hunt Ohio back in the early 90,s sabots where not allowed.

sixgun_symphony
January 2, 2003, 03:51 AM
National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association (http://nmlra.org/)

I hope you join this worthy organization.

guy sajer
January 2, 2003, 09:51 AM
No ban on sabots here . It's pretty wide open . I can't think of any muzzle loading prohibitions at this time .

Schmit
January 2, 2003, 02:13 PM
Can you mount a scope on all of them, or is that against the law re: hunting. (I may be hunting in just about any State).

Bruz,

Your going to have to check out each State's Hunting Regulations to see what is allowed (i.e rifle type, ignition type, etc).

bfoster
January 2, 2003, 06:13 PM
For big game hunting with a muzzleloader, I much prefer a double rifle. It doesn't much matter to me whether it's old or new, or where it originated, so long as it shoots. The only real disadvantage is that these rifles weigh 10 to 12 lbs in 44-50 calibre.

Bob

4v50 Gary
January 2, 2003, 06:46 PM
If you're not shooting very far (75 yards or less), consider a double barrel shotgun. Buck n' ball - the favorite load of the French Indian War soldier. The double bbl shotgun is lighter than the double rifle and will do the job if you do yours in stalking.

Bruz
January 3, 2003, 03:55 AM
Thanks for all the info...rekon I better check to make sure the muzzleloader I am getting to extend the season is even legal here in Kaliforia! :banghead:

sixgun_symphony
January 3, 2003, 06:19 AM
An advantage to the traditional flintlock rifle is that you can knap your own flints, cast your own ball, and make your own gunpowder.

This of course would only be necessary if guns, ammo, and reloading supplies were outlawed.

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