Interesting Iraqi pistol...


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esheato
July 20, 2005, 07:42 PM
I just returned from a deployment and a coworker had procured this old Beretta. It doesn't have 'da switch, but the gold finish adds some bling-bling factor to it.

I don't know the translation, but would be grateful if anyone could help. I have a larger version if anyone wants it for wallpaper or to read the writing. PM if you want a copy but be forewarned it's 2.4 mb in the large size.

Enjoy,

Ed

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Omaha-BeenGlockin
July 20, 2005, 07:47 PM
Looks like a Helwan??

armoredman
July 20, 2005, 07:50 PM
Tariq - Iraqi copy of Berreta Brigadier, I believe.

mattw
July 20, 2005, 08:10 PM
so does that mean that is is junk times two? :D how does it shoot?

esheato
July 20, 2005, 08:17 PM
Unfortunately, I never got to shoot it.

Moonclip
July 20, 2005, 08:26 PM
Interesting, love to hear more about this pistol and how it was acquired. The grip medallion is also different than a standard Tariq it appears.

slopemeno
July 20, 2005, 10:02 PM
Ive shot a Helwan(?) Brigadier and it felt fine. Felt like a 92 with a single column mag, actually. Too bad they have that safety.

esheato
July 20, 2005, 10:29 PM
Interesting, love to hear more about this pistol and how it was acquired.
I wish I could help more, but I'm sorry to say that I don't know its history. The gentleman that owned it didn't elaborate on how or where he received it.

Ed

P95Carry
July 20, 2005, 11:42 PM
I think this deserves to be in autoloaders - moving over.

The_Antibubba
July 21, 2005, 07:38 AM
Oooh, I'm envious.

You know, it would be great if we could get Iraqi small arms imported, as mil surplus. Or one of those Afghani Enfields that was pounded over a rock and filed into shape. :uhoh:

MatthewVanitas
July 21, 2005, 01:50 PM
>>>>Tariq - Iraqi copy of Berreta Brigadier, I believe.

>>so does that mean that is is junk times two? how does it shoot?


I believe armoredman is quite right. Helwan is Egyptian-made, but this piece has the Baathist Eagle stamped on the grips, so should be Iraqi Tariq.

The ones I've seen were blued, and had a cameo of Tariq (the general who led the Muslim conquest of Spain) on the grip. Perhaps this is a ceremonial or general staff pistol? Pictures of standard Tariq here:

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2800/2847.htm

Question: is the Tariq a direct copy of the 1951 Beretta, or is it a copy of the Egyptian licensed copy? If so, would it be junk x3?

Note that Iraqis also built the Rashid, a 7.62x39mm copy of the Hakim. The Hakim was Egypt's 8mm copy of the Swedish Ljungman gas-impingement semi-auto rifle. Very convoluted weapons history in that part of the world...

chopinbloc
July 21, 2005, 08:48 PM
dang, lucky! they won't let us take anything home in working order except ancient rifles.
You know, it would be great if we could get Iraqi small arms imported, as mil surplus. Or one of those Afghani Enfields that was pounded over a rock and filed into shape.
i plan on gettin' me an enfield, though.

KriegHund
July 21, 2005, 09:09 PM
They wont let you field strip them and send em home in parts?

At least aside form full autos?

That would be a pain though to keep track of.. I guess if you registered the semi-auto with a CO it could work or something?

On the pistol-

Interesting to look at the grips. Reminds me of a CZ-52.

Onmilo
July 22, 2005, 12:31 PM
So who has the pistol now???
Anybody using it as a personal weapon??

esheato
July 22, 2005, 01:16 PM
Last I heard the guy still has it. I left Iraq before he did, so I'm not sure of the outcome. Most likely, he passed it on to another guy in our unit.

We're not allowed to bring home trophies either. I just snapped the photo so that I could share it with THR. I figured that you guys would get a kick out of it.

Ed

dasmi
July 22, 2005, 01:17 PM
Looks like an M9 and a CZ52 had an ugly, ugly child.

ktd
July 22, 2005, 05:57 PM
Iraq licensed the old Beretta 951 and made them locally. The slide should be marked "TARIQ 9m/m - Licensed by BERETTA" on the one side, the other just says the same thing in Arabic. They were okay guns, though I preferred the Brownings that were also common.

I was offered some "services" to get stuff home, but I did not think it was worth it, you get a lot of grief over it if you are caught. Besides, my ex-SF gun dealer had already ordered all the legal examples stateside for me to pick up when I got back anyway!

k

esheato
July 22, 2005, 09:23 PM
I received a PM from a gentlemen who translated it as follows:

"A gift from President Saddam Hussien President of the Iraqi Republic
(Republic of Iraq)."

A gold pistol from the Prez...what more could you ask for?

Ed

45R
July 23, 2005, 01:10 AM
Ed-
How are you my friend? PM me when you get a chance to!


45R

ktd
July 23, 2005, 01:21 AM
sorry, I thought you were talking about the standard markings, I did not look closely enough at the (somewhat bright) pistol to see that it had a special inscription.

k

(as an aside, I saw a chrome or nickel plated shorty AK pistol, and my buddy fired the 75 round drum mag, amazingly, no jams, and we all were deaf after!)

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