[WonderNine]

What is the silliest thing you've ever heard in a discussion about guns? Mine is:

The 9mm was designed to wound, not kill. :D :barf:

Then I guess 8mm was designed to give the enemy a playful pat on the butt? :)

[Gray Peterson]

Federal Permits to carry. :rolleyes:

[WonderNine]

That's a good one.

[El Tejon]

Used to sell guns. I've heard them all (in no particular order):

1. Glock 7s;
2. guns like the Joker used;
3. cracking engine blocks;
4. don't need to aim shotguns;
5. firing rifles inside apartments;
6. "knock you on yer butt"; and on and on and on . . . .

[AK103K]

"I used to get 6" groups at 100 yards from my M14 on full auto" :rolleyes:

This from a vet who couldnt seem to hit the whole target at 10 yards with my MP5.

That Agent Orange must be powerful stuff, huh? :)

[illuminatus99]

I had someone tell me that he has a suppressed HK mark 23 (illegal in WA), said he's a "government contractor" and it was issued to him but they let him keep it at home. he also claimed to have once owned an HK .50BMG.........suuuuuuuure......

he also said he gets paid a boatload of money from the gov, you'd think he would own a car and not live in an apartment in the low rent patr of town.....................

I've also known a few people that claim to own legal full-autos in WA in spite of the fact that they are banned. they always get mad when I tell them that they're either a future felon or full of it.

[westcangunner]

The ENTIRE "Mall Ninja" thread on TFL, many moons ago.

WCG

[WhoKnowsWho]

Some people at work were talking about the new S&W .500 caliber...

#1 "That's not really a fifty caliber."

#2 "Is so!"

#1 "I fired a real fifty in the army"

#3 "I have a fifty caliber here in my purse" as she pulls out a .50 AE live round

#1 "That's too small"

#2 "Yeah, too small"

I'm glad I was on overtime and I don't hear these people all the time... I might go crazy.

[FPrice]

"There I was....knee-deep in brass...."

[stevelyn]

A .380ACP is a 9mm on "STUN".

[Lone_Gunman]

Whoknowswho:

I have to ask... what kind of woman just happens to have a .50AE cartridge in her purse???

[El Tejon]

Do you have her phone number?:D

[TallPine]

Federal Permits to carry.

Hey, I have one of those. Too bad I can't get the states to recognize it.

:neener:

[Navy joe]

Snipers in vietnam could hit targets from a mile away, they used a .50 machine gun caseing necked down to a 7mm(prolly a special one). My dad talked to two snipers at Doung Wan with this set up and said the best shoot was almost 2 miles (clean head shot), the thing they were worried about was someone walking in front of the target because it takes so long to get there.

Maybe it's just because it is recent, but that one really frosts it for me. Brought to us by our very own rifle forum in a discussion on .50BMG rifles.

[Tamara]

My favorite was the kid over at another board (which shall remain nameless) who swore up and down that his gunsmith buddy had a Glock 21 he'd converted to .454 Casull. With a titanium barrel, no less.

The "Raging Glock" thread was right up there with the original Mall Ninja thread for sheer fun.

[John G]

The ceramic/plastic Glock is a favorite bedtime story of mine. I knew a guy who swore up and down that his brother had one. "Nothing's metal except the firing pin.":rolleyes:

[danny]

I bought a Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt from a fella a few years back. He was explaining to me just how powerful this "magnum" firearm was. If the bullet were to graze someone on the upper arm, it would tear the arm clean off. Even more impressive, I learned that it was so powerful that if one missed someone but the bullet whizzed past their ear, the shock-wave would suck the poor guys brain right out through the ear! He had never fired it himself and I feel I did a public-service by getting a firearm out of this idiots hands.

[Don Gwinn]

Last week I attended the Illinois Senate hearings on the proposed "assault weapons" ban in Illinois. The following were said by Illinois Senators and other elected officials:


"This is only intended to replace the Federal ban, because when it sunsets our streets could fill with Uzis and AK47s again." (The IL bill features full confiscation)
"These weapons are designed to be concealed--they all have folding stocks and when you fold it the gun is only about a foot--maybe a foot and a half--long. It fits under your shirt!"
"In 1993, the Bushmaster Assault Carbine was BANNED by federal law, but they looked and looked and they found a way around it--they took off the clip for a bayonet and now they're legal again!"
Senator: "Be honest, Todd, nobody uses these things for hunting. They're just not hunting guns!"
NRA Rep: "Actually, Senator, I was hunting Coyotes with an AR15 not long ago. A whole lot of people hunt with these."
Senator: "Now, Todd, we both know that's not true."
"This bill is intended to ban submachine guns like Uzis and AK47s in Illinois." (All full-auto is already illegal here, even with Fed permission.)
"This bill would not affect honest collectors--honest people don't collect these things anyway."


No, I didn't make any up. Those are the ones I can remember.

[cratz2]

Concerning the ceramic glocks undetectable by metal detectors... I've had this several times and I always them what they intend to do with an unloaded Glock once they get it past security. I mean, surely 16 or 19 rounds of ammo will be detected by security and if they have someone on the inside to supply them with ammo, why can't they just give them a gun?

The old myth about how a 1911 kicks so bad it might knock the shooter down is pretty good. I actually keep an issue of American Handgunner in my car with a picture/story of Ayoobs younger 11 year old (at the time) daughter holding a 1911 that she placed with shooting against adults. Not to be sexist, but if an 11 year old girl can shoot it, a 30 year old guy afraid to shoot it is going to get some serious ridicule.

[Sisco]

"If you shoot an intruder and he gets out of the house before he dies, drag him back inside!"
Like a first year rookie cop wouldn't be able to figure that one out.

[coonan357]

a .223 has the same range and knockdown as a .308 and the m-16/ar15 can out shoot distancewise a fal thats why our gov't uses them ..

[Skunkabilly]

1. Anything from my friends that play Counter-Strike. :barf: :barf:

2. DOn't get a 9mm...if you shoot someone they won't even feel it. Get a .45ACP you only need one shot :barf:

[Crimper-D]

= 95% of ANY CONVERSATION relating to guns /ammo/ components at ANY GUNSHOW! :barf: :cuss: :evil:

[QuickDraw]

Heres an old favorite,

If you get hit on the tip of your little finger with a .357,it will blow you off your feet! Maybe true if you have your hand over your heart!:D

QuickDraw

[280PLUS]

"Honey, what do you call that again? The Bushwacker?"

:what:

[Yohan]

cratz,
Actually, what most likely happened is that Ayood loaded the 1911 with a .22 conversion kit. Those have almost no recoil at all- thus explaining why the girl was able to fire it. However, a .45 is a different story. Especially when it comes to cycling- The big amount of gas that exits makes the recoil about ten times as a big, and if you do not align the gun properly, you may even break your wrist from the gun.

As for the magnums- the rifling of the barrel is different! The extra grooves in the rifling of the barrel will actually spin the bullet at sub-sonic speeds- You should purchase subsonic ammunition to take full effect of the magnum enabled rifling capability.




:uhoh:

[Croyance]

By a you woman, on the subject of self defense "Couldn't you just shoot them in the thigh?"
Emphatically, no.
By a person I didn't like butting into a conversation "If you want power, why not just get a .357 and be done with it?"
1.) Don't butt into conversations, especially when the participants don't like you.
2.) Make sure your input fits the conversation. We weren't talking about getting the most powerful handguns.
3.) Make sure what you say fits the criteria you set down. I like .357 Magnums, but it is simply not the most powerful (even controllable powerful) out there.
4.) Understand the pause that occurs after you talk isn't everybody being awestruck by your insights.
Did I mention I didn't (and don't) like this person?

[Standing Wolf]

"All you have to do is dial 911."

[280PLUS]

another, by a 20 y.o holding my, thankfully, empty P-32,

"WOW!! You mean I can KILL somebody with this?!?"

My response,

"Not with out the bullets you can't, and you ain't gettin' those!"
("Now gimme that!!")

:uhoh:

[Chuck Dye]

19th century buffalo rifles! Reliable 1000-1500 yard kills, accuracy sufficient for head shots (OK, buffalos' heads) at those ranges. Quigley was a wannabe!

The most recent wonder I encountered is a fellow whose rolling block .45-70, shooting "authentic black powder loads," is sighted in for 1000 yards but routinely allows him to ring the gong at 1500 yards just by holding high. My ballistics program says he must be consistantly holding about 128 feet high "just by eyeballing it." (Couldn't talk him out of the location of that 1500 yard range.)

[Brad Johnson]

Then there is always the general plethora of .44 Mag "knocked me on my butt" stories (usually to include being hit between the eyes by the recoiling gun). Then they call ME a liar when I tell them my kid brother was shooting a Super Blackhawk when he was 12 and suffering nothing more than a sore trigger finger. :D

Brad

[RON in PA]

Suprised that no one has mentioned the stories about shooting someone with the knock down 45 ACP, hit anywhere on the body, even the pinkie and they will spin around before they are knocked flat on their back.

[Rembrandt]

Couple of shots from an M-44 knocked down a 6" diameter tree....

[Bobarino]

any movie where the guy getting shot with a 9mm or whatever goes flying through air as if hit with a wrecking ball and lands 25 feet away with gallons of blood spurting out of the 6 inch wide gaping hole in his chest.

Bobby

[WhoKnowsWho]

Lone_Gunman:

I don't know why she had just a round in her purse... surprised the heck out of me... and some people give me funny looks for bringing magazines to work about guns...

[Dave Markowitz]

In another forum, I once mistyped the make of my AR as "Bushhamster." :D

[P95Carry]

A discussion some time back by an idiot anti type .... talking about how revolvers need to have, or have safety catches!!:rolleyes: (There is in fact one I know of and had .. a Webley MkIV in 38 S&W .... but it was the only one I ever came across.)

Also ... The big deal of a revolver with silencer!!! Remember Lee Marvin in (I think) ''Point Blank'' ....... a 70's movie IIRC ... wonderful ''plop - plop'' when he fired :D ...... always wondered how they got the good seal on the cyl/forcing cone gap!:rolleyes:

[Yohan]

Couple of shots from an M-44 knocked down a 6" diameter tree....
Actually, that is quite possible, especially if shots are fired using P+ ammo. As a matter of fact, Winchester designed a ammo especially designed to cut down trees- It's called SXT- (Special Xterminant for Trees). The tip of the gun is designed with a hollow point curve- which spins around, acting as a saw. You can get this in P+ ammo and it'll cut down trees- AND people.


:uhoh:

[Yohan]

Heres an old favorite,

If you get hit on the tip of your little finger with a .357,it will blow you off your feet! Maybe true if you have your hand over your heart!

QuickDraw

Actually, the .357 was designed for high velocity. Also known as cop killer bullets, the .357's have no real practical use except for penetrating through police armor. Now- this type of ammo uses sub-sonic pressures to punch through the armor, and when it strikes the skin portion of your finger tips- it'll send a pressure wave through your blood veins. Such a compressed amount of pressure- especially when from a P+ ammo, can be enough- at times, more than enough to blow apart your veins. Anything over 250grain will be deadly to anyone on the receiving end.

-DF

[Jim March]

"Getting a CCW permit in California is EASY!"

:barf:

(And yes, I've actually heard that. A lot. From various cronies :rolleyes:. Yes, I'm aware that there are rural shall-issue counties, I'm not talking about those, I'm talking about urban areas.)

As to Federal carry permits:

There IS such a thing. I have a number of reports and details linked here:

http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/expose.html#feds

Not that I know how to score one, but they do exist in some form.

[goon]

From a guy looking at an Auto-Ordnance Thompson...
"These are classified as Curio & Relics, because they didn't stop making them since they started back in 1927."
If that were the case, I would be able to buy an AK-47 through the mail too.

I also seem to remember a reporter during that whole MD sniper fiasco...
"The barrel of this two-two-three caliber rifle has grooves cut into it that make the bullet spin, and give it extra killing power."
She said that like it was a big deal.

I guess no one told her that they have been doing that with rifles since about 1700, and that the definition of a rifle is a shoulder weapon with spiral grooves cut in the barrel.:rolleyes:

The next day they had this "former special forces" guy on shooting his AR-15 at the range.
I couldn't help but wonder, "why would any gun-owner want to help the press make us look like a bunch of bloodthirsty huns?"

I guess the guy was just an idiot.
No matter what, they are just gonna edit the tape to show you firing your rifle madly into the air as you curse at elderly people, so why would you even waste your time?
But, I am pulling us off topic.
I apologize.

[Ryder]

These are all pretty comical.

The dumbest thing I have heard is that Glocks are the most accurate gun.

I've heard it a couple of times... So it must be true? :rolleyes:

[Sisco]

"Honest, I didn't know it was loaded"
But then that's not silly, just stupid.

[WeThree]

The FN Five-seveN is illegal in the US because of it's "exploding ammo"...

[DeltaElite]

The 10mm is a dead round. :rolleyes:

The 9mm is as good as the 45acp and 10mm. :rolleyes:

Revolvers are obsolete. :rolleyes:

[John G]

Looks like this thread should have been called ":rolleyes: "

[DeltaElite]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :neener:

[LostOneToo]

That a "silencer" will work on a revolver!!!!!:what:

[Waitone]

The DC sniper's weapon, a Bushmaster .223 IIRC, was described as a "high powered, killing machine."

[Quintin Likely]

Glocks have no safeties (period, internal or external)

Evil, cop killing, super duper armor piercing ammo that can penetrate any kevlar vest on the planet.

.45 ACP is a one shop stopper; 9mm is a high velocity round that will go through the target instead of stopping it. If you shoot someone with a .45, they'll fly back about 5 feet.

I'll think of some more later ;)

[Meanoldfart]

This came from a U.S. Navy SEAL, I know, but this guy was genuine. Saw his documents.

"Our .300 Win. Mags shoot 190 gr. bullets at 5200 fps."
"It shoots flat out to 700 yards."

I wasted about 3 minutes trying to explain ballistics to him before I realized, It was hopless.

[hksw]

When the subject turned to gun rights :

In one occasion, "You don't need an AK-47 to hunt deer."

In another, "Who needs 15 rounds of 9mm to hunt deer?"

[Mike Irwin]

"Pagan, American, Homosexual, Pro-gun Libertarian. Any Questions?"

Yo! Lonnie! Question!

Mithras, Marduk, or Cuthlu? :)

[Mike Irwin]

Lost one,

You CAN silence a revolver.

You just have to have either a Nagant Gas Seal revolver from the Soviet Union, or have one with some other special arrangements.

Don't kid yourself, it can be, and has been, done.

[faustulus]

"The .45 is the only caliber to have, a (insert any round other than a .45) it will only sting/hurt/wound/annoy/fill in the blank."

Somehow no one has ever taken me up on my standing offer to trade shots with my "wimpy" 9mm. With the stipulation that I shoot first. :)

Don't kid yourself, it can be, and has been, done.

but why?

[jrhines]

I had the distinct pleasure of firing what I remember to be a modified Ruger Redhawk, can't recall the caliber, but something around .38, that was suppressed. It had a cylinder that moved forward against the barrel and compressed some plastic seals that surrounded the bullet. Made by Knight Arms out of Tampa as I recall. We had the distinct displeasure of firing the Colt 2000 prototype, which had what we lovingly called a "coffee break trigger". Pull, pull, pull, drink a cup of Joe, pull, pull, Bang! Marvelous machine, lousy gun.
As far as dumb things heard, "The .45 was designed to push the charging enemy up and out of your foxhole."

[WeThree]

Oh yeah, and, on the subject of .45's at gun shows...

"You won't find many there because its a military round, you're gonna see more 9mm."

[chaim]

Silliest (stupidest) thing I've heard:

I was at the range the other day and some guy at a lane a few lanes down was trying to impress his friends with his knowlege. He was talking about how only 2 or 3% of shooters were good enough w/ a handgun to hit anything at 50 yards.

Then we were checking out at the same time and his friends were interested in the Hi-Point Carbine I had (hey stop laughing, I know I'm slumming it, I bought it last week thinking it would be fun, which it is, not thinking it would be good for serious needs). When he asked the caliber he was surprised because he didn't know any 9mm long guns were made (I could be mistaking his friend on that one).

Then the conversation somehow :rolleyes: got to 1911s when he started talking about how perfect Les Baer was and if you do happen to have trouble with one he will drop everything he is doing to fix yours.

Valtro came up (mentioned by me as what I wanted). Well, he never heard of it but told his friends "probably former employees from Les Baer, all the decent new top of the line 1911s are made by people who started with Les Baer, like Rock Island Armory" (where is the rolling on the floor laughing icon)

Then he asked me what game it was set up for. I told him that I didn't know since I don't play games with guns, after which it was clear that he decided I must not be a "serious" shooter. I then told him that it was set up in a way that would be good for some games but not being into IDPA or any other competition I don't know which and also it could be a carry gun. It is kinda set up like a Kimber or SA with functional and useful accessories like adjustable target sights, THEN HE INTERUPTED. "Did you say Kimber?!!! Never say Kimber in my presence!!! They are complete and total sh,t! You said a carry gun, I want to carry something that is reliable not a jamomatic. If it is ANYTHING like Kimber I'll take my Les Baer for carry. I want to live!"

What an idiot!

[CZ-75]

That a "silencer" will work on a revolver!!!!!

Besides what has been mentioned, I believe someone has modded a Dan Wesson (adj. B/C gap) for use w/ a silencer.

[Mizzoutiger]

That guy's asking for a proper Kimber pistol whip upside the head.

Kimber fan right here.

[CZ 75 BD]

During the serial killings in DC one of the info-babes said "the .223 travels at 2300 SQUARE FEET PER SECOND"

[Stevie-Ray]

In a conversation with an old fart at work, he stated we needed more restrictive gun laws because,"I don't want all these damn guns on the street!" and "Way too many people are killed with unloaded guns!" He also stated that people like me and the NRA are nothing but criminals.

I made him look like a total moron in front of a filled cafeteria that were practically all laughing at his expense. He retired soon after. Good riddance.

[Yohan]

Stevie-Ray,
DO tell us how the conversation went- I'd be interested.

[Detritus]

Naw you don't want to get her(my wife) one of those (the fullsize Mil-spec style 1911, she wants) that thing will kick the #@%* out of her you shoud get her one of those (pointing at one of those tiny ultra compact 1911s that weigh half as much, but it's still a 45acp)

does someone not understand physics?? :scrutiny: :rolleyes:


right up there with the guy who claimed that it would be EASY to kill an elephant with a 1911 and issue hardball!!

[makdaddy03]

A co- worker told me that he had a .35cal Rodchester semi-auto revolver in his car.:)

[CZ-75]

right up there with the guy who claimed that it would be EASY to kill an elephant with a 1911 and issue hardball!!

He's right.

The hard part would be getting close enough to shoot him through the eye, in the ear, or the mouth.

[Nightcrawler]

Lemme think...

"Forget the revolvers and get yourself a Glock, kid. Revolvers are for hunting and cowboy shooting." (When asking about getting a defensive revolver.)

"Rugers are ugly, low-grade weapons. Get a Glock." Not a direct quote, but often implied or said in more words than this. Glocks and Rugers are in about the same category, actually. It's just that Glocks are selling better now so Gaston raised the prices. I, for one, don't think they should be $600 guns...

And this isn't an exact quote, but I once had a Glock fan (the same one that said the first quote) get MAD at me after I said that Glocks don't fit my hand and therefore I won't be buying one. He INSISTED the Glock 21 has the same grip diameter as the 1911 and that if it didn't fit me then I must be holding it wrong.

Yeesh. Not a bash on Glocks, just some of their more vocal owners...

[Quintin Likely]

but why?


I guess if you were some kinda lone wolf CIA/KGB/FSB etc al spook and didn't have time/didn't want to leave brass at the scene along with a body ;)

Oh yeah, another one, I think someone said this already though: Glocks don't show up on airport metal detectors.

[Fed168]

Worked with a guy who said that his 226 was designed for Hydra Shoks, and Glocks had no safeties and were unsafe.

The gentleman who asked why he could not shoot at people who trespassed on his land. Apparently he thought that putting a round in the motor was okay.

Reed Knight made a suppressed revolver back in the early 90s, based on the Ruger frame.

[TheOtherOne]

El Tejon:

1. Glock 7s;

:D I've been looking all over for one of those "undetectable by metal detectors" ceramic Glock 7's! They have to exist because Bruce Willis said so on Die Hard 2.

[Tim Burke]

I bought a Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt from a fella a few years back. He was explaining to me just how powerful this "magnum" firearm was. If the bullet were to graze someone on the upper arm, it would tear the arm clean off.... if one missed someone but the bullet whizzed past their ear, the shock-wave would suck the poor guys brain right out through the ear! He had never fired it himself
Had someone fired it near his ear?

[larry_minn]

Stevie-Ray
..........In a conversation with an old fart at work, he stated we needed more restrictive gun laws because,"...and "Way too many people are killed with unloaded guns!" ...................
Actually that is a line I often use. That most people are killed by accident with UNLOADED guns. I.E you NEVER treat a gun as if it is unloaded. Treat it as if loaded
Edit to add" UNTIL YOU HAVE PERSONALLY CHECKED IT YOURSELF. Then check it again and if you ever leave the room start all over. "

Read these boards about stupid shootings where they shooter says. "I didn't think it was loaded so I pointed it at my best friend and pulled the trigger as a joke"
I have a number of guns in my safe. I am only person in 1400 miles with combo. IMHO EVERY gun is loaded in there. I unloaded them before I put them in there but when I take one out I treat it as loaded. Check chamber and then STILL will NOT point it at anyone unless they are threat.

[Lone_Gunman]

I once heard a guy claim that a 45 wouldn't knock a man down just by grazing him...

[Erik]

I've heard so many silly things that after a while they begin to blend together.

But, novice, no-nothing gun owners, who may or may not have actually shot with their first, only, and newly aquired pistol, who insist on repeating whichever marketing campaign corresponds to their purchase as proof that they made the "best" choice strikes me as silly. When they go on to bash other options in the process of bolstering their argument it is even sillier; more so if they are the only ones "arguing."

(Polymer-framed, high capacity owners seem to be particularly guilty of this, though by no means it is confined to them.)

[Shweboner]

I, for one, don't think they should be $600 guns...

Not when you can get an XD for $400:D


I heard a good one at the last gunshow here, I was looking for some bullets (reloading) for 9mm Makarov(.365). Everyone kept handing me 9mmPara bullets (.356), and just stared at me when I informed them that there was a difference. The one vendor who actually had them only had Hornady XTP, I asked if he had anything other that JHPs, he told me that 9x18 is a non-standard caliber and nobody makes reloading components for it except Hornady. I started laughing and walked away. Considering there are at least three mfr's that make New brass, every bullet mfr makes 9mm Mak in at least 3 different types. I hate it when ppl lie to you about products simply because they dont carry what you want... rather than saying " Im sorry, all I carry are XTPs, you might try ______" Because I cant imagine he believed what he told me.


~brain

[Skunkabilly]

My homicide professor :rolleyes: :barf: said that shotgun shot spreads out and kill everyone in the room.

Thats like from Nintendo, where you press the 'special attack' button and it kills everyone on the screen, and shoot the 'one up' for an extra life or the heart for more health.

[The Silver Bullet 1719]

From my cousin's husband who is a Marine:

The SKS is a piece of junk, its always been one.

The M-16 is more battle-hardened and durable than the AK-47, but the AK-47 is always more accurate.

You can shoot a M-16/AR-15 underwater, just like on land. (Now, I haven't exactly tried this, but it my understanding that the gases could not go through the piston while filled with water)

My Father:

The .40 Magnum is the best handgun cartridge ever made

The 9mm has never been a good bullet for anything, but the .38 Special is a good bullet for defense.

You don't need an SKS, its too powerful than you need, plus it will go through 10 feet of cement. (Yet he tells me less than 10 minutes later that he wants a .50 BMG Rifle)

And lastly, a guy at a gun shop sold my step father some "Perfect" defense bullets for his .357 snub-nose.... Winchester Big Game Hunting Cartriges

[Harold Mayo]

Hmm...I always thought that the 9mm WAS as good as the .45 ACP and the 10mm...

[CampX]

How about "Cop Killer" bullets? Like they were specially built for the sole purpose of killing police officers.
How about this guy who was trying to tell me that they play war games with Airsoft rifles and ammo (presumably), and have a 50 BMG sniper Airsoft that will shoot a paint pellet 2000 yards....:rolleyes:
Some dude over at the Accurate Reloading forums talking about a groundhog kill shot with a 308 at around 2700 yards.....

[Jeffshc1]

Gas operated?
Where do you put the gas?

[Skunkabilly]

Gas operated?
Where do you put the gas?

I've said that before...this was waaaaay before I was even into guns :o

[Quartus]

Then there is always the general plethora of .44 Mag "knocked me on my butt" stories (usually to include being hit between the eyes by the recoiling gun).


Well, I've seen someone hit themself between the eyes with a .44 mag. It takes an idiot to do it, but it CAN be done! :scrutiny:


Joe, your 1 mile sniper shots in Viet Nam can't be true, because I talked to the guy who held the distance record for sniper kills in Nam, and it was only 1500 yards! It was a Colonel in the NVA that he was sent to kill. Got him AND his aides!


I never did find out who measured the distance and who was keeping track, though. :rolleyes:


Then there was the guy who thought he'd have some fun with some newbies (in the Army). Told us about the incredible Stoner system. So powerful that if a guy is sitting leaning against a tree, and you shoot the tree above his head a few feet, the shockwave will kill him! :what:

Oh, but one of those newbies knew all about Stoner and his various designs, and was quite familiar with the .223 round and its terminal ballistics. And basic physics, too. :neener:

[another okie]

While I don't know of any such thing as a federal CCW, there are in fact folks walking around with "Special" (not "Honorary") Deputy U.S. Marshal badges. There is specific statutory authority for this appointment. There are some Oklahoma City police officers appointed as such so they can do fugitive apprehension work across state lines. In the old days they gave them to political cronies and thugs. If you check the U.S. Marshal web site and look at the list of dead U.S. Marshals you will find some specials listed, so they must occasionally have done some real work.

[Sisco]

What irks me is when you're looking at something at the gunshop and another customer gives unsolicited and unwanted advice.
"You don't really want a brand-X/brand-Y you should buy a brand-Y/brand-X"
When I was ordering a new Kimber, another customer piped up "Why don't ya get a real gun, get a Glock!"
I just told him that some people like Harleys, some like Hondas. I want a Harley this time around.

[CampX]

Harley huh...I'd take the Honda cuz at least it wouldn't be broken down all the time....

[Yohan]

I heard this one - "Glocks aren't that bad looking" :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :barf:

[Stevie-Ray]

Actually that is a line I often use. That most people are killed by accident with UNLOADED guns. I.E you NEVER treat a gun as if it is unloaded. Treat it as if loaded 24/7/365.25!!! Quit using that line. It's about the dumbest damn thing I've ever heard in my life. The only way you can kill somebody with an unloaded gun is to pistol-whip them with it. For that, I'd be more comfortable with a baseball bat. OF COURSE you treat every firearm as if it were loaded, especially around jackasses that handle firearms as if "they didn't know it was loaded." But how do you look up your bore with a bore-light? I guess you can't because it's always loaded, and you would never look into the bore of a loaded gun. How safely can you do maintenance on your LOADED guns?

Don't use that tired old idiotic saying, it's the darling of Sarah Brady's camp followers.

[NotQuiteSane]

The silliest? I'm not sure, take your pick:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10227

NQS

[280PLUS]

ol' mm3 here would LOVE to try to drop a round in on a target 2000 yds away, just to answer the question for himself. i've seen plenty of documentation on this from at least ww1 and up to and including vn and we're talking .30 cal here not .50 bmg, my choice .308 boattail.

question is, where the h*** ya gonna try?

[illuminatus99]

I heard a really good one from a friend of mine a couple days ago, he claims that the army has a vest that with stop a .50BMG using some sort of composite, he says it's true because some friend of his who is suposedly some kind of sniper in the military says he's seen it in action. I tried to explain to him why even the best police and military vests won't stop a 7mm mag let a lone a BMG but he wouldn't listen.

he's one of those type of people who won't back down from an argument until you prove it and shove his face in the proof. a while back he tried telling me that a T3 internet connection was just 3 T1s and an OC-3 is just a T3 running over fiber, he knows full well that I've been a data and telecom engineer for almost 7 years but he wouldn't concede that maybe I know what I'm talking about until I looked it up on the web and made him look at it.

[DJJ]

Once you take up the slack in a Glock's trigger, you've "started the process" (couldn't get any more about what that means), and the only way the gun can be made safe again is to eject the round and chamber another.

[Quartus]

he tried telling me that a T3 internet connection was just 3 T1s and an OC-3 is just a T3 running over fiber,


:D Now THAT'S funny! Can I get one of those OC-3's at my house? I can't get DSL because my neighborhood is fiber, but an OC-3 ought to beat DSL, even if it IS only 3 T-1s! :D


(Hey, if it works in HIS world, maybe it can work in mine!)

[Sharpie1]

A family member of mine, who knows I carry once told me:

"That thing will get you killed."

I also dislike it when someone gives unsolicited and unwanted advice, as if they know more than you. Although, it is also funny at the same time, because they usually don't know what they're talking about.

TD

[jsalcedo]

When I see someone getting horrrid gun advice I'll try to chime in and offer a different viewpoint.

At the gunshow, "oh yeah these Tec 9's are 100% reliable and built like tanks


" jennings is an industry leader in innovation and quality control"

You need to trade me that old colt for this new AMT longslide, the metallurgy is much better on them"

[Larry Ashcraft]

".22 long rifle CAN be reloaded, my uncle does it all the time."

"My Argentine Mauser is accurate out to 1000 yards, but it kicks so hard nobody can shoot it."

An auctioneer friend of mine on a percussion revolver; "That's an EMF, made in Italy by Rossi".

[illuminatus99]

Now THAT'S funny! Can I get one of those OC-3's at my house? I can't get DSL because my neighborhood is fiber, but an OC-3 ought to beat DSL, even if it IS only 3 T-1s!


(Hey, if it works in HIS world, maybe it can work in mine!)

the really sad part is that he should know better, he's a DSL installer and has to deal with T1s on a daily basis.

what's I'd really like is the full 130MBps speed of an OC-3 at the price of 3 T1s

[Elmer Snerd]

Hmmm... I have heard several variations on the theme that civilian firearms that cosmetically resemble military firearms magically become just as dangerous as military weapons.


Some relevant anecdotes and/or humor are in these threads:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=5129

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=10918

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=11039

[45R]

It was over at Sig Forums. A guy posted something about a Glock falling into a metal melting pot errr something to that affect. The pistol was recovered and fired 100 rounds after the fact with no problems.

[Greg L]

CZ sezThe hard part would be getting close enough to shoot him through the eye, in the ear, or the mouth.
Nah, it's real easy. The problem is explaining to the guy at the zoo why you shot his elephant while you were riding him.


I99 sezI heard a really good one from a friend of mine a couple days ago, he claims that the army has a vest that with stop a .50BMG using some sort of composite,
Actually that is true, it's called an M1 Abrams. Think of it like the powered suits in Heinlein's Starship Troopers. :D

Greg

[TexasVet]

quote:
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The hard part would be getting close enough to shoot him through the eye, in the ear, or the mouth.
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Karamojo Bell did it with a .410 once.:what: AND using shot loads!!

[sonny]

100

[LiquidTension]

It is illegal to spray teflon on bullets because it makes them able to penetrate a bulletproof vest. If you try to buy teflon and ammo at the same time they won't let you do it.

[Kharn]

Larry Ashcraft:
".22 long rifle CAN be reloaded, my uncle does it all the time."

Some people (I believe this included some Russian gun owners) have reloaded .22lr. They would single load the firearm, and rotate the bullet until the firing pin would strike a previously-non fired area.

Kharn

[Navy joe]

They would single load the firearm, and rotate the bullet until the firing pin would strike a previously-non fired area.

Uh-oh, that's a new one. Problem is the priming compound all the way around the rim is consumed in the initial firing. It could be done, but would require new priming compound being added which usually requires something to spin the case to sling it into the rim while still liquid.

Rotating in the chamber to an unfired spot is my failure to fire drill for crap 4 buck a box Federal target grade 22lr. Current record is 8 strikes w/ no fire, looks like a .22lr wagonwheel. JUNK!

[arinvolvo]

Im going to have to 2nd, and 3rd and 4th the one about 357s in engine blocks...

I tried mine out against a 1/4 inch mild steel plate....didnt dent it.

Dont think it would do much to an engine block either.

The AR 223 on the other hand...made swiss of that plate.

[arinvolvo]

Oh, and "flat shooting" ammo....all ammo accelerates due to gravity toward the earth at the same rate....Of course, higher velocity rounds will seem to shoot "flatter".

Even better is flatter shooting "guns"....again, it is a function of the velocity, so "flat" is a misnomer.

[Sarge]

"Glocks don't blow up" and when they do, "It's the ammo's fault." Never mind the fact that we were getting regular NCIC teletype bulletins on these occurrences from the time the .40's came out; never mind the fact that you can go pick up brass behind a .40 Glock, and find a high percentage of seriously-bulged cases. Never mind the fact that the 'offending ammo' works fine in other guns; never mind the fact that there are now a good number of non-LE shooters who have either experienced a blow-up first hand, or seen it occur on a public range.

The faithful wail, "It's not really happening! You're making it up because you hate Glocks." Right. Kind of reminds me of when we were potty-training the kids, and they used to tell us that somebody else had peed their diaper.

Glocks are not what I hate. What I hate is the fact that the manufacturer has produced a moderately-dangerous product, refuses to address the problem, and the buying public (including the idiots that make procurement decisions for LE agencies) just keeps right on patronizing them, without requiring that they fix the problem.

Sorry, but you asked.

[Mute]

Usually any threads with the words tactical and black in the same posting. :D

[John G]

When Lebe called me a "yankee." :D That was silly, made me feel like I'd stepped back through time.

[Justin]

From a college professor who was a living, breathing example of the old addage that "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

He said that the most powerful handgun round was the .45 ACP, and that 'they' did tests where they shot mannequins and compared .45 ACP to .357 Magnum. He said that the .357 just put a hole in the mannequin, but that the .45 ACP knocked it down every time, even if it was just barely hit in the hand.




He didn't know anything about 3d animation, either.:banghead: :fire:

[Graystar]

I looked through but didn't see this one:

"Guns kill."

When people say that I always respond with "I have several guns and none of them have ever tried to kill me."

A308Winchester wrote:
.45 ACP is a one shop stopper

This is actually true. Many people see a 1911 and buy it on the spot. :p

[Hot brass]

I have a doosy,
My sister calls, and says husband and I are into it, bring a gun over, I hung up the phone.:what:

For my sons 5th birthday I got him a bb gun(Red Rider). Mon and two of my sisters are present!
When I opened the package the howling and screaming started. The wailing commenced.
Oh no! He is going to shoot someones eye out. He is going to shoot somebody.
I say no, he will only shoot it when I am around.

Last summer I got him his second .22 rifle.
For his 10th birth he wanted a pellet rifle so he could cull the ground squirrles.

[George Hill]

You dont NEED that kinda gun.

[Edward429451]

The absolute silliest one I ever (keep hearing) heard is:

"Cooperate and it will go better for you"

We weren't discussing guns, but the man who said it was wearing one!:banghead:

The second best one was back when DA/SA autos were first coming out, it went like this;

"Totally safe. You don't even have to carry one in the chamber. The first DA pull actually chambers the first bullet for you"

By a supposed afficiando no less! (aren't they all, though?):D

[abaddon]

"If you double-tap a semi-auto too quickly it will jam. You have to leave at least a second between each shot."

Jeff

[Strings]

the guy that told me (while looking at my Beretta 92), "that's illegal. You aren't allowed to own a gun that can hold more than 10 rounds!"

Explained to him that gun designs from before the ban are the same as those after the ban, but the mags have some form of "stop" in them. His response: "No... they had to redesign the pistols, so they couldn't hold more than 10 rounds":rolleyes:

[BlkHawk73]

with so many already listed, it's hard to think of any more I've heard. Here's a few though.

1. "You can't get a .22 magnum in a Contender cause it's a magnum. Too much pressure."

2. "It's not me, it's the gun" (to explain lack of accuracy

3. "Machine guns are illegal"

4. "you can't hunt with a single shot, you gotta have a auto for more lead in the air."

5. "Glocks never have problems" (many @ Thunder Ranch while I attended class did)

6. "A .44 magnum is moe powerfull from a Desert Eagle".

That's good for now. By the way, 1, 2, 3 and 6 were all from the same person. Used to work w/ him and gotta see him at the gun club meetings. makes for a comical time:p

[one-shot-one]

rifle bullets begain expanding as soon as they leave the barrel, the heat melts the lead core and they expand.
it took actual high speed photos of a .270 bullet in mid flight to shut this guy up.:banghead:

[aikidoka-mks]

"My 9mm at home has a scope on it in case I have to shoot without my glasses on."

Maybe Im wrong - but that wouldnt seem to work to well in the close quarters - field of view and all.

Mark

[p35]

In one of his books, Peter Capstick told the story of the two jokers, back around 1900, who killed two elephants with a .22 LR in the "armpit" area- the first more or less by accident, the second with witnesses to prove they weren't lying about the first. Not that it's recommended and they had backup.

Also, Carlos Hathcock shot an NVA with an M-2 at 2500 meters in Viet Nam, about 1.5 miles. Guy made the mistake of standing where Carlos had sighted in the scope on the M-2.

[Lord Grey Boots]

I remember a news report in which a suspect's lawyer complained that the police pointed a "AK-15 Semi-automatic machine gun" at her client.

[six 4 sure]

I've heard several, but one of the best I heard recentaly. As I was looking at a Browning Hi-Power I was told "If you really want a good 9mm you outght to look at that Hipoint"

Now I'm not say the Hipoint is a bad gun, but I think most would agree it's not in the same class as a Hi-Power.

Six

[lostdog]

1) The b-27 target is racist because it is black.

2) She thumbed the safety off her glock....from a novel

3) I wanna tec-nine...you got any of them tec-nines? I hear they shoot real fast....from a guy in a gun store

4) I don't oil my guns...they might jam

3) The .44 magnum will go right through an engine block, and punch a 2" hole out of the other side

5) "don't take your gun anywhere dangerous...other people might shoot at you"...my girlfriend

6)I've never shot it...I just carry it

7)Guns are bad

8)The .308 is a dead, underpowerd, inaccurate cartrige...get a .243/ 7mm-o8/.260 instead(all same case)

9) my sks is great on deer....I just cut the heads off with all the lead.

10)Just be happy to even hit the target at 25yds

11) glocks jam, and are unsafe....all cops hate them.

12) I want the swat team in polo shirts......BDU's look to much like the military.(my county police dept.)

13) the AR-15(bushmaster a-3 shorty) that the Md "sniper"(not even worth calling him a shooter) used was calles a "sniper" rifle so many times I got sick

14)..I almost forgot "this is the tacticlal, mark IIII edition thingy that all the seal teams use for their seal thingy's" ..whoever that mark guy is, he makes a lot of money...you could spray paint a chrome high-point "tactical black", name it mark and sale it for $600 as a seal team 13 special purpose weapon/brass knuckles

[2nd Amendment]

"If you shoot an intruder and he gets out of the house before he dies, drag him back inside!"
Like a first year rookie cop wouldn't be able to figure that one out.

Umm, Sisco, I had both an Indiana State cop and a Linton PD tell me EXACTLY that a few years ago, after a series of break-ins at a restaurant I owned. Then they added "Call us, we'll take care of it from there..."

Ummm, yeah, ok.

[Walther P99]

Federal Permits to carry

Should be the Second Amendment... ;)


I did hear a retired military officer say the ".30 caliber AK-47 rounds have a longer range than the M-16's .223 rounds". Stated during the military operations in Afghanistan.

[Rembrandt]

...silliest thing on a gun post?.....on one forum some guys got into an arguement about shooting a rifle round @ 3000FPS while in a jet flying at 3000FPS....where you could reach out and pick the bullet from the air...

[Gordy Wesen]

"does Taurus have a custom shop?"

[Stickjockey]

I had a roommate who told me he was a Navy Corpsman attached to a Marine unit. Any time the subject came up, he insisted on calling the M60 machinegun a ".60-cal". :confused:

[bpisler]

Overheard in a local gunshop,CLerk telling a guy looking at 45's to stay away from 1911's cause they'll start jamming when they get a little dirty.

[Nightcrawler]

insisted on calling the M60 machinegun a ".60-cal".

Heard quite a few guys do that. The M2 Browning is referred to as the "fifty-cal", and some how the M60 translated into the "sixty-cal".

Once heard a first lieutenant refer to the M9 pistol as a "Glock". :rolleyes:

[BowStreetRunner]

one would imagine a Lt. would know better!

[COHIBA]

kimbers are a gook value.
flash suppressors keep your enemy from seeing your muzzleflash.
glocks are pretty.
45/70 is better than a 444.


everytime i hear the old ceramic glock bit from someone who knows a guy or brother-in-law has one i offer them $1000 on the spot to let me hold it. just tell him to let me hold it and i'll give him 1K cash on the spot.

[zahc]

Rembrandt said:
"on one forum some guys got into an arguement about shooting a rifle round @ 3000FPS while in a jet flying at 3000FPS....where you could reach out and pick the bullet from the air..."


HAHA that would actually work! the bullet would drop though....and i would be impossble and unsafe to actually do......but still!:D :D

[Stevie-Ray]

...silliest thing on a gun post?.....on one forum some guys got into an arguement about shooting a rifle round @ 3000FPS while in a jet flying at 3000FPS....where you could reach out and pick the bullet from the air... I'm sure that was just an arguement for the speed of the SR-71. In fact, in some cases, if it were physically possible to reach out into the slipstream of a Blackbird, (Over 3500 fps at times) you might have to slow down to catch that bullet. Fired by someone else, of course.

[zahc]

How'd you do that quote? I don't see a quote button anywhere.:confused:

[coonan357]

magic ..... there is a quote button in the VB code area

[Bruce in West Oz]

• When a bullet hits the human body, even a .22 LR, it is not just the physical trauma that can kill -- if it hits an artery anywhere in the body, the hydrostatic shock wave travels along the blood vessel and back to the heart, where it shocks the heart into stopping. If you need proof, fire a shot into a watermelon and watch it "explode" from the hydrostatic shock wave.
(This was from the person who was my instructor when I took my firearms safety training course! :what: )

• No-one except the military or the police needs a gun!

• Our (Australian) system is better than in America where you can just walk into a petrol station or hardware store and walk out with a gun!

• Fundamentally, guns are designed to kill, and the practice which competitors at Commonwealth Games participate in, is just the same as normal target prcactice. This is aimed at making the shooters better equipped to kill some living thing.
John Crook - Gun Control Australia
Letter to Australian Commonwealth Games Association asking to ban shooting sports.

• Our logic is that shooters are the most ill-disciplined people of any recreational group. That's what attracts them to guns. It's a state of mind. They are usually poorly educated, they never had much success at school and were never very good at sport.
John Crook - President Gun Control Australia :fire:

The .22 Hornet is a high-power centrefire cartridge.
Police Sergeant, WA Police

• You can't overload a .223 -- you just can't get enough powder in the case to do any damage. (Hmmmm, what about a full load of the wrong powder??)
Told to me by an "oldtimer" who should have known better.

• The old .303 was a far more accurate cartridge than the .308.
Gun club Range Officer

• The 5.56mm round in the Steyr-AUG is deadly accurate to 600 metres.
Aussie army useful idiot at an armed services display; said in a hushed voice. When I mentioned that I wouldn't call my 10FP in .223 with 69-gr BTHP handloads and a 10-40x50 scope "deadly accurate" at that range, he went blank for a second or two, then looked really smug and said, Yeah, but this is a 5.56mm!

[444]

I read so many things in on-line gun forums that are so silly, ridiculous, or out right BS that I don't think I could narrow it down to the one best.

[444]

"Any time the subject came up, he insisted on calling the M60 machinegun a ".60-cal".

This goes the other way also, I have heard a lot of people call an M2 .50 cal, and M50.

[Partisan Ranger]

I worked in DC in a super-liberal IBM office (it was a PAINFUL two years). I heard one guy I worked with saying this about one of our coworkers before the 2000 election:

"Can you believe her? She said she will vote Republican because 'I want to keep my guns.'" I swear to God, that's what she said."

Sitting in the next cubicle, I thought my pro-gun colleague was being quite reasonable!

It always amazes me how liberals who say they so strongly believe in 'civil liberties' are so willing and eager to give up the most basic civil liberty - the right to self-defense.

[CMcDermott]

12) I want the swat team in polo shirts......BDU's look to much like the military.(my county police dept.)


This doesn't sound silly to me at all. Police aren't military, and shouldn't dress or act like they are part of the miltary. Too many cops get an "us vs them" attitude where everyone they encounter is a criminal except their fellow officers. Worse is a mindset of "shoot first, and don't ask (or answer) any questions later".

[atek3]

I second what CMcDermott said

[MeekandMild]

The ceramic/plastic Glock is a favorite bedtime story of mine. Actually its kind of pitiful. I have a friend who's fully convinced it is true. I told him I was buying a composite pistol and he pleaded with me to not do it because "they make those just to pass through a metal detectors". I didn't tell him the last time I went to the courthouse the detector went off and their wand beeped for my belt buckle, my shoe eyelets and my GOLD TEETH!
:what:

[synoptic]

Police aren't military, and shouldn't dress or act like they are part of the miltary.

Sorry to disappoint you, but they aren't trying to make a fashion statement, they dress the way they do for it's functionality and the safety it provides. It would be similar to asking a construction worker to wear sandals to work instead of steeltoe boots. If every officer wore such uniforms then it would be time to be concerned, but a specialized unit requires specialized equipment.

[Archie]

kimbers are a gook value.
flash suppressors keep your enemy from seeing your muzzleflash.
glocks are pretty.
45/70 is better than a 444.


We'll ignore the Kimber and Glock questions... (Not sure about Kimbers and Glocks don't appeal to their mothers)

What do you suppose flash suppressors do?
And a 45-70 will throw more lead at similar or higher velocity than a 444 Marlin. I suppose it depends on what you mean by "better".

My favorite goofy commando claim is
"M-16 bullets tumble in flight!"

[ahadams]

one of the interesting things looking back on all of these posts is that a lot of them (everything from "60 cal" [less than literate reference to the M60 which I also ran into from a Cat IV type, not a corpsman or medic] to the 3000 fps "reach out and grab it" comment [appears to reflect the er, unpublicized early attempts to arm the SR-71], to "polo shirts" [if police are performing a paramilitary function - i.e. SWAT/ERT - what do we do if the politicians don't want to admit that's the case?] are all really distortions of actual issues.

Interesting how that all shakes out, isn't it?

[Kobun]

• The 5.56mm round in the Steyr-AUG is deadly accurate to 600 metres.
Aussie army useful idiot at an armed services display; said in a hushed voice. When I mentioned that I wouldn't call my 10FP in .223 with 69-gr BTHP handloads and a 10-40x50 scope "deadly accurate" at that range, he went blank for a second or two, then looked really smug and said, Yeah, but this is a 5.56mm!

Well, he obviously told what he had been told, but didn't know much about guns or calibers.

However. I have shot clay pigeons with my AUG at 500 meters.
Don't think hitting a bigger target at 600 would be much of a problem.
K.

[Detritus]

What do you suppose flash suppressors do?

what Cohiba was getting at that ALOT of folks miss is that a Flash suppressor is to keep THE SHOOTER from having bad effects from muzzle flash in lower light conditions. it has little to do with what the ENEMY sees. they are there to keep a soldier from being temporarily blinded by his own gun!

the supression effect they have with regards to those on the receiving end is a nice bonus. but that is NOT the goal that was being sought when they first appeared.

and as i understand it you can see MORE of a flash down range from the likes of the M-16A2 than you can from behind it.

[El Tejon]

Wow, what a vast pool of ignorance we have catalogued.

Guys, we better stop. I'm fairly certain the gun rags are reading this thread and getting ideas for their articles.:D

[COHIBA]

tell you what. i'll stand 300 yards down range and you fire a round through a flashhider. will you then let me shoot back?
flashhiders DO NOT HIDE FORWARD MUZZLE FLASH! they may reduce it a bit but not enough to keep you from being zero'ed.
archie, i wont even begin a 444 vs 45/70 thread.


but 444 is better.

[Elmer Snerd]

This (http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/Photos/sb23fix/mini14x1.jpg) is an "assault weapon".

This (http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/Photos/sb23fix/mini14x4.jpg) is not.

http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/1minfix.shtml

[Andrew Wyatt]

flashhiders DO NOT HIDE FORWARD MUZZLE FLASH!


the old brennan nil flash (a vortex without bent prongs) certainly did. it eliminated all noticeable flash from a 18.5 inch barrelled mini-14 firing M193 ammo in a test we did.

[Keith]

>>>>Also ... The big deal of a revolver with silencer!!! Remember Lee Marvin in (I think) ''Point Blank'' ....... a 70's movie IIRC ... wonderful ''plop - plop'' when he fired ...... always wondered how they got the good seal on the cyl/forcing cone gap!<<<<

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Revolvers actually work quite well with suppressors, in fact the British used Dan Wessons (with suppressors) for many years for "wet work".
Yeah, SOME noise will escape from the cylinder gap, but not enough to make a difference.

[CZ-75]

The Dan Wesson B/C gap is adjustible, IIRC, so it is an exception rather than the rule.

[Keith]

The cylinder gap hardly matters. 99% of the gas (noise) comes out of the end of the barrel.

[ira41magfan]

How far can it shoot?

[QuarterBoreGunner]

I resisted this thread having once been in the biz I've heard some serious BS/ignorance re: firearms.

So much so that my head started to hurt remembering them all.

And then I remembered the best one.

This from your average suburban white late teen early 20’s male emulating the speech and dress of your average inner city gangsta’ rapper.

While handling a bright polished Taurus PT-92, in the classic gangsta’ sideways and above line of sight shooting style, he then proceeds to de-cock the hammer with the slide mounted de-cocker. (Hammer drops like you pulled the trigger remember)

“I like Taurus ‘cause they got that second trigger on the side”

Yes friends, it’s true, someone had convinced him that the de-cocking lever was a ‘secondary trigger’.

I could actually feel myself getting dumber by being around him.

[Penforhire]

"Twinkies made him do it."

[CZ 75 BD]

I heard a guy examining a SuperSoaker at the Wally World, Q: "Does it shoot real far?"
A: "Naw, it just shoots water. I don't think we have any that shoots far.":p

[Detritus]

CZ 75 BD.....

SLAP YOURSELF!!!!:evil: :rolleyes:

[Benjamin]

Two kids who were just getting into shotguns discussing a 'perfect' load with a layer of .223 fmj projectiles, with shot on top. 'cause, you know how devastating the .223 is when it hits.. :o

[Tacblack]

Glocks will shoot under water unlike other hand guns

[El Tejon]

QBG, you win!:eek:

[winwun]

Arinvolvo, read up on metallurgy and bullet types.

At a rainy-day class in the army in 1950, a Tech Sgt. was extolling the virtues of the M-2 Carbine, "... yada, yada, 2600 feet per second, 750 rounds per minute, so fast that there are two rounds in the barrel at the same time..." After some quick head math, my stupid 17 year old hand went up, "Uh, Sergeant, I think the bullets are about 200 feet apart, roughly." Big mistake on my part. For the next six months, every time he saw me, it was, "give me 50!!!"

How about the old saw, "the M-16 is made so that the bullets keyhole so that they do more damage"

At a gunshow, trying to buy a lightweight bullet for my Ruger BH in 30 carbine, I asked a dealer if he had any 90 grain bullets in .308. He patiently explained to me how the 308 wasn't intended to shoot such a bullet.

One of the best, was a guy showing off his old Colt SAA and telling me how it belonged to his Great Grandpa who was a Texas Ranger for 48 years, and dedicated his life to using "this very gun" to kill a bad guy every day that he was in the Rangers. I didn't even do the math. God, what a stack of body bags.

[Gewehr98]

archie, i wont even begin a 444 vs 45/70 thread.

but 444 is better.

Having handload and chronographed both rounds, it baffles me where Cohiba's information came from. Unless he's referring to lighter recoil from lightweight .44 Magnum pistol bullets?

Edited: He's no longer a member here. Guess we'll never know. :(

[444]

Actually, the pistol bullet argument sounds good when making a point, but in reality, there are a number of good bullets that were designed and manufactured for use in the .444 Marlin, at .444 Marlin velocities. That being said, many pistol bullets perform fine.
Which is better ? Well, to my way of thinking, they really can't be compared apples to apples. The .45/70 normally uses bullets that are heavier than those used by the .444 Marlin. If that is what you are looking for, then the .45/70 is the way to go. If however you feel that a lighter bullet from 180 grains to 300 (or a little more) are the ticket, then the .444 Marlin is the gun.
If I had a strong desire to own a big bore lever action, I would pick the .45/70 because pretty much anything that can be done with a .444 Marlin can be done with a .45/70 and then some. From a practical standpoint, anything I ever anticipate hunting can be easliy taken with the .444 Marlin, so the point is moot.

[JShirley]

In a college in Mobile, Alabama, between 91 and 93:

"If you get hit with a car, you'll just be hurt, but if you're shot, you'll die."

Of course, I believe this was the same class where I almost provoked a fight with several "gentlemen" who said that raped women asked for it. :fire: (I would have pointed out that, since men "couldn't help themselves" and those who wore skimpy clothing were "asking for it", when these healthy meat-eating macho men wore skimpy shorts while shooting hoops, they were "asking for it" from homosexual males, who are also men, and therefore, can't control themselves. :rolleyes: )

John

[Futo Inu]

From a 14 year old (so it's excusable, but still funny), to me when I was 15: "The .223 flies end over end through the air - that's how it does so much damage." He was confusing the exterior ballistics with terminal ballistics, obviously - at 15 I knew better, but could not convince him as much - this was my good buddy at the time. Yeah, El Tejon, I too wanna know how the chick looked who carries a .50AE shell around. :) And Tamara, I missed the Raging Glock thread - can you please name the nameless BB, or otherwise point me in the right direction?

"My 9mm at home has a scope on it in case I have to shoot without my glasses on" - omg I'm about to wet my pants. ROTFL.

"The cylinder gap hardly matters. 99% of the gas (noise) comes out of the end of the barrel" Donthinso, Keith - a very large component of noise comes from the cylinder gap in a typical revolver. Try shooting a .357 s&w and a .357 Coonan or whathave, both with no hearing protection - you'll be sorry you did with the revolver.

[Fly Navy]

The guy that told you if you fired a 3000fps bullet from a platform going 3000fps, you could catch it, needs to seriously go back to school and re-study basic relativity. This bullet would have a velocity of 6000fps in reference to the Earth, 3000fps in reference to the aircraft, negating air resistance. It's a simple concept you experience everyday in driving in your car.

[Zeke Menuar]

I had a supervisor that bragged non-stop about his Delta Elite. The silly/stupid part was he was absolutely convinced that the best bear defense round for 10mm were fast moving hollow points. This clown would not see the light about hollow points and very large furry critters. I am waiting to see his name in the paper" Man killed by angry wounded bear"

ZM

[Ex-Doc]

Alien invasion Bug-out-Bag

[lexical closure]

The guy that told you if you fired a 3000fps bullet from a platform going 3000fps, you could catch it, needs to seriously go back to school and re-study basic relativity. This bullet would have a velocity of 6000fps in reference to the Earth, 3000fps in reference to the aircraft, negating air resistance. It's a simple concept you experience everyday in driving in your car.

Not even relativity. Just basic Newtonian physics, you don't even need to dig into relativity to show the effect.

If the plane is traveling 3000fps, then so is everything else on it, including the bullets. When you fired, you're adding an additional 3000fps. If the stated effect were true you wouldn't even be able to fire the weapon, the bullet would just stay in the barrel - you wouldn't need to catch it.

[Ukraine Train]

I used to work with a guy who claimed he was given an M60 with an aluminum barrel (so it melts if you fire it I guess?) as a gift from a steel company or something. He said that congress had to make a special exception just for him.:rolleyes:

[Keith]

Keith - a very large component of noise comes from the cylinder gap in a typical revolver. Try shooting a .357 s&w and a .357 Coonan or whathave, both with no hearing protection - you'll be sorry you did with the revolver.

Futo,

I know that's the common wisdom, but in practice it's actually much easier to suppress a revolver than a semi. With a semi, the suppressor affects the recoil energy and/or the barrel tilting required to function reliably. It takes a lot of tinkering.

With a revolver, you need only shim up the cylinder to the narrowest possible gap. Most revolvers have a pretty generous gap so that heat expansion will not bind up the cylinder- and that gap is where all that noise comes from. Heat expansion is not an issue if you're only shooting a few rounds, so you can narrow it down to almost nothing.

With a Dan Wesson revolver you don't even need to do any tool work because it's designed so that you can set the cylinder gap in a matter of minutes with a special wrench sold with the gun. And the front of the barrel shroud is already threaded, so you need only match the threads with your suppressor. You couldn't design a better system for the purpose!

And the British used those Dan Wesson revolvers for years (probably still using them). I don't know caliber what they use(d) - probably .22's and .38's - but by all accounts, they work very well.

Keith

[the_redstar_swl]

my gun-dim friend thinks that a glock a 22. revolver and a m1911a1 are the same guns :scrutiny:

[BHPshooter]

I have had a few -- When I was in college, one of the local gunshops just got in a new BHP and I would go and fondle it weekly. Because I was broke and couldn't buy, but wanted to see it anyway, I would ask dumb questions (that I knew the answers to already). One of the times I was in there, there was another guy, one of the ones that thinks he's automatically part of every conversation. Well, he was looking at the Beretta 92s, and noted that I was holding the BHP.
He remarked, "Those Browning sure are nice guns, but I wouldn't get one. If you got into a fight and someone popped your magazine out on you, you can't shoot it!" Paying no real attention to the strategic stupidity of figting someone with a gun nearby, I said, "I'm going to take mine out eventually if I get one."

He gave me a look that made me want to bite his jugular.

"No, no, you can't take them out. It's a complete interlock system." quick, let me get my patronizing face on. "No, actually..." and I proceeded to tell them (I say "them" because by this time the gun clerk was looking at me, mouth agape, giving me the same "Man, you're dumb" look) the particulars of how to take out the magazine disconnect. :fire: :banghead:

Needless to say, I was pissed off to no end. It still gets my heart rate going.

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Another time, different gunshop... I was handling another BHP. I tend to ask questions I know answers to, just to see how far the gun clerk will jerk you around. I fondled it, worked the action, and asked, "Single action?"

He said, "Uuuuhhhh... Double/Single action." :rolleyes: I can't help but think 'Man, I must really look stupid.'

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And another of my favorite:

"Now what the hell do you need that for?!?"
When I explained to an old (gun-owning) friend that I had recently bought a 9mm pistol.

Yet another one of my friends to turn into one of those high-nosed shotgunners. :cuss: :fire:



*sigh*

Wes

[Malone LaVeigh]

I think this one was from some movie back in the '70s, but I've heard it from some idiots who swore it was real. Maybe someone can remember the name of the movie.

"If you really want to do wicked damage with a shotgun, load the shells with $4 worth of dimes."

[Waitone]

Malone, my dad was born and raised in Lincoln County, New Mexico in 1920. He new more about the Lincoln County Range war than I thought was necessary. He could cite historical "fact / lore" about the range war far beyond what I've read.

He claimed William Bonnie shotgunned the sheriff's deputy with a load consisting of dimes. I asked why use dimes instead of pellets. He said the dime load was a way of disabling instead of killiing. Seems dimes have a tendency to shred the target as opposed to penetrating the target.

His understanding is at odds with professsional historians but he lived where it happened 40 years after the event. Can't go to the bank with it, but I also can't dismiss what he said.

[Chuck Dye]

Thefumegator, in the mid eighties when revolvers ruled the rest of the force, a UC Police sergeant described working the Irvine hospital psych ward carrying Browning Hi-Powers with the magazine not fully seated. The argument was that, in a gun snatch, the wacko would be unable to fire the pistol and the magazine would drop out when it was raised. The officer, by dint of thorough training and many, many repetitions in drill, would seat the magazine before drawing. Given the sergeant who told the tale, I am not sure if is one of the silliest, or scariest, stories I have heard.

[erem]

Best (worst?) I ever heard was from a pro-gun-control lady who told me, "All guns that aren't single shot should be banned. If you're going to hunt, or use the gun for defense, one bullet should be all you need."

-erem

[Orbital-Burn]

common sense gun control laws

[synoptic]

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The guy that told you if you fired a 3000fps bullet from a platform going 3000fps, you could catch it, needs to seriously go back to school and re-study basic relativity. This bullet would have a velocity of 6000fps in reference to the Earth, 3000fps in reference to the aircraft, negating air resistance. It's a simple concept you experience everyday in driving in your car.
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Not even relativity. Just basic Newtonian physics, you don't even need to dig into relativity to show the effect.

If the plane is traveling 3000fps, then so is everything else on it, including the bullets. When you fired, you're adding an additional 3000fps. If the stated effect were true you wouldn't even be able to fire the weapon, the bullet would just stay in the barrel - you wouldn't need to catch it.

I did poorly as an engineering major cause I couldn't think in theoretical terms but would apply the concept to reality. If you fired a bullet off a platform traveling 3000fps the velocity of the bullet just after firing would be 6000fps. But assuming a constant speed of the platform and air resistance on the bullet, the bullet would eventually decelerate to 3000fps and you would actually be able to catch it.

[hksw]

You mean like this?

http://www.aircraft-used.com/Listings/feature8.htm

[wingnutx]

I had a roommate who told me he was a Navy Corpsman attached to a Marine unit. Any time the subject came up, he insisted on calling the M60 machinegun a ".60-cal".

I hear that all the time from Seabees and the occasional jarhead. Irks me to no end, but I gave up correcting people that should know better.

[Nightcrawler]

BowStreetRunner Said: one would imagine a Lt. would know better!

BWHAHAHAHA...you must be hanging around different lieutenants than I...

[KC]

"AR-15's are more lethal than m16's because they cause the bullet to tumble while in flight; that's why AR-15's are banned under the Geneva Convention."

"You can't shoot .38 out of a .357mag revolver! You'll tear up the rifling."

"I can disassemble my Glock and sneak it through airport security scanners and onto a plane."

"Why do you want to buy .45Long? .45 Auto will work in a Peacemaker just fine,"

"Only police have the training to use guns"

"The second amendment is about your hunting rifle/shotgun, not AK47's"

"Sure, .22Mag is the same as .22LR; it just has a bigger bullet."

"How can you buy one of those? (a 1911 clone) You can't buy military guns."

"The Air Force taught me all anyone needs to know about shooting a rifle." (one of my favs, especially with the speaker in another state)

"I'm gonna attach a cordless drill to one of them crank-firing thingies next time I'm at the range"

"You can too use smokeless powder in a blackpowder gun. I do it all the time."

"If you don't like the color of a Glock, you can sand down the frame and it's green underneath."

"I have a .22 pistol in case a mountain lion attacks me."

[wingnutx]

"I'm gonna attach a cordless drill to one of them crank-firing thingies next time I'm at the range"

I must admit that the thought had crossed my mind at some point.

[David4516]

Okay, I've got a few good ones. I worked in sporting goods at a department store for about a year, and heard all kinds of stupid stuff from the customers:

Customer: I need some .45 APC ammo

Me: You mean "ACP", right?

Customer: Nope, it's "APC"

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Customer: I need the best .22 LR ammo you've got

Me: Whats best depends on what you want to do with it...

Customer: I need it for Deer hunting!

at this point I had to try VERY hard not to tell the customer that he was too stupid to own a firearm

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Customer: I'd like to look at your .22 rifles

I show him what we had in stock, and asked what he was going to use it for

Customer: I want to shoot some friends with it. Does getting shot with one of these hurt too bad?

Me: Only if it doesn't kill you instantly. I think what you want is called an "Air-Soft" rifle...

Customer: Ya, thats what I'm looking for, you mean thats not the same thing?

Me: No, it's not

Customer: Oh. Do you sell "Air-Soft"?

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A lady walks up to the counter and asks about buying some shotgun shells

Me: Sure, we sell shot shells. What gauge is your shotgun?

Customer: I don't know, my husband just asked me to pick up some shot shells while I was at the store... does it really matter?

Me: Yes...

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Customer: Wow, you guys have guns here?

(Note, most customers at this store don't shop there for sporting goods, in fact some doen't even know there is a sporting goods department, it's kind of hiding in the back corner)

Me: Yes, we sell rifles and shotguns...

Customer: Are they real?

Me: *sigh* Yes

Customer: Isn't that against the law or something?

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I'd get about a half dozen customers like that every day. Most the customers I had were either fairly knowlageable, or at least knew that they didn't know alot and said things like "this is probably a dumb question, but..." before asking dumb questions. I really enjoyed working there, because I felt I was educating people, and it was just fun to work with all the hunting and camping stuff. I had to quit because managment sucked, and they didn't pay me enough to make it worth putting up with them. Now I work for Office Depot. The managment is MUCH better, but selling office supplys just isn't as much fun :(

[P95Carry]

KC and David have added even more, to what is a long but very entertaining thread. It is truly remarkable the level of ignorance sometimes .... both seen and heard.

Even more so is the ability of those involved to show it so blatantly!!:D

[BHPshooter]

Given the sergeant who told the tale, I am not sure if is one of the silliest, or scariest, stories I have heard.

Hmmm... I'd probably have to say scariest. :p :D

Yeah, that's kind of an odd idea about how to deploy your weapon. Oh well, to each his own, I guess.

Wes

[Orbital-Burn]

for you shoot bullet from jet guys. this is a question in earth relative. if your traveling at or near the speed of light, and shoot a laser (which travels at the speed of light) how fast is the laser light traveling? I'm throwing the bull???? flag on Einstein and his "light has no mass."

[pax]

Orbital-Burn,

See http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_095.html for a pretty good discussion of the math.

pax

[Quartus]

"I'm gonna attach a cordless drill to one of them crank-firing thingies next time I'm at the range"


It's been done. Some nut gave the Santa Ana PD (southern Calif) an exciting afternoon with an American 180 and a cordless drill back in the early 80s or so. Don't recall that he nailed anyone.

[THA]

There was a confirmed story back in the Korean Conflict of a pilot shooting his own plane. He was flying an F-86 and started shooting at the top of a dive. As he his speed built up he passed the first bullets and as he pulled up into their path they hit his plane. This was due to his accelleration passing the speed of the first fired shots.

[zpo]

The $4 of dimes in a shotgun remark is also from Young Guns.

[Benjamin]

" Sig? They $*()&. Their 45 is crap. No police use them. Police are all Smith and Wesson"

me: 'actually, in the US about 65% of police use Gloc-

"Glocks are %^&(**. They're light but not somethign for a real weapon"

At that point I walked away. But he's REALLY sure of what he says .:banghead:

[dawg23]

Quote: Glocks will shoot under water unlike other hand guns.


Sorry, but Glocks will shoot underwater. All you have to do is replace the striker spring cups with the "maritime" spring cups. Not recommended for bigger calibers.

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=118387&highlight=maritime+AND+cups

[Futo Inu]

dawg23, yeah, and also not recommended for hollowpoints - FMJ only. Also, don't have your head underwater without very good protection, or you won't ever hear again.

The quote from "Young Guns II" from the Kid at one point after he wastes somebody was "Best dollar-eighty I ever spent." I cannot recall whether it was after firing one shot or two (but I think two), nor can I recall whether it was a shotgun. But if a shotgun and 2 shots, then obviously that's 9 dimes per load - a fairly good chunk of money in those times - hmmmm I kinda doubt anyone would waste that much money on a projectile that's gonna have ultra-crappy exterior ballistics, regardless of the terminal ballistics.

David: "Isn't that against the law or something?" "I'm gonna shoot some friends with it - does it hurt very bad?" Bwaaaahahaha!

P.S. And I still need to know where the Raging Glock thread can be found - anyone help me out here? I missed it...

[MarineTech]

What is the silliest thing I've ever heard in a gun discussion?

Easy, anything ever said by that professional troll gunkid under any of his various guises. :what: :barf:

[P95Carry]

Hahaha ......... Easy, anything ever said by that professional troll gunkid Naturally ...... all fades into total insignificance, when compared with CAR 11" and can ..... and .22 conversion kit!!!:D

Perfect for foraging and stealthy concealed night activities ..... when not blowing up power facilities and railroads!! :D :D

Doubt there are many here who have not cringed under his ''expert'' criticisms!!:rolleyes:

[jsalcedo]

The dumbest thing I heard was someone talkiing about an AK knocking someone back several feet....

I told them that due to the laws of physics that if the shootee gets knocked back several feet then the shooter would be subject to the same
effect.

Never got through to them.

[magnumjim]

The only difference between a 28" and a 30" shotgun barrel is that a 30" shoots 2" farther. Because the rifleing makes the bullet spin it travels in
a circle . If it could travel far enough it would come back and hit you in the
back of the head. I heared both of these comments from salesmen in
gunshops. One more. A 16 guage shootgun has the recoil of a 20 ga.
and the power of a 12 ga.

[SoCalGeek]

"Hollow point bullets are illegal 'cuz they can penetrate the body armor a police officer wears" :rolleyes:

He also said the same of the .357Mag :banghead:

[Brass]

Yea, I heard something like "armor piercing hollowpoint ammo" on the last election, sadly the "politician" won.

[benEzra]

The VPC's current lines that (1) a pistol grip stock makes a rifle easier to fire from the hip. (2) that firing from the hip is more "lethal."

[Spieler]

Firing a .45 automatic one-handed will break your wrist!:rolleyes:

[HadEmAll]

My brother had just graduated from Army Ranger school. We were discussing the M16 and he told me, dead serious, that "it shot absolutely flat for 500 yards". I don't think I ever convinced him otherwise.

[KC]

Hey, as long as he hits what he shoots at...

[WonderNine]

Firing a .45 automatic one-handed will break your wrist!

Damn, then my wrist should have been shattered from firing that Taurus Titanium .41 mag snub with 210gr. loads one handed :D

[Zach S]

From a guy looking at an Auto-Ordnance Thompson...
"These are classified as Curio & Relics, because they didn't stop making them since they started back in 1927."
Recently my brother said something to a guy who runs a store in the nearby mall about me getting a Thompson. The guy then tells my brother to tell me I need to get a Class III weapons license. Believe or not, this guy is an FFL and has firearms store in a nearby city. Youd think he'd know they made semi versions...

[Freightman]

A fellow I use to work with said " the government found a termite that eats nothing but steel and were trying to transport it to our enemies to eat all there arms, but were having trouble getting them there as they consumed the airplains or ships they were being transported on"
This was no Joke as he also said he was with Lews and Clark in 1803.

[Quartus]

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Damn, then my wrist should have been shattered from firing that Taurus Titanium .41 mag snub with 210gr. loads one handed


No, no, no! You don't understand! The .45 is so powerful it will shoot through a whole platoon of enemy soldiers and penetrate the tank behind them!!! :what:

[DorGunR]

Posted by Freightman
A fellow I use to work with said " the government found a termite that eats nothing but steel and were trying to transport it to our enemies to eat all there arms, but were having trouble getting them there as they consumed the airplains or ships they were being transported on"
This was no Joke as he also said he was with Lews and Clark in 1803.
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Whooo Boy.....:rolleyes:

[Futo Inu]

I repeat: Please praytell, where is the raging Glock thread?

[ysr_racer]

Catch Bullet in Flight
The guy that told you if you fired a 3000fps bullet from a platform going 3000fps, you could catch it, needs to seriously go back to school and re-study basic relativity. This bullet would have a velocity of 6000fps in reference to the Earth, 3000fps in reference to the aircraft, negating air resistance. It's a simple concept you experience everyday in driving in your car.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question456.htm

What would happen if you fired a gun on a train moving as fast as a bullet?

This is a good question because it involves the concept of reference frames.

The quick answer is that relative to you, the bullet will always travel at the same speed. In other reference frames, however, unexpected things can happen!

You may have heard of Newton's first law:

"Every body persists in its state of rest or of uniform motion in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed on it."

We could rephrase this a little and say that a body in motion tends to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted on by an external force.

Imagine you are on a perfectly smooth speeding train, moving at a uniform speed (not accelerating or turning), in a car with no windows. You would have no way of knowing how fast you are going (or if you were moving at all). If you throw a ball straight up in the air, it will come straight back down whether the train is sitting still or going 1,000 mph. Since you and the ball are already moving at the same speed as the train, the only forces acting on the ball are your hand and gravity. So the ball behaves exactly as it would if you were standing on the ground and not moving.

So what does this mean for our gun? If the gun shoots bullets at 1,000 mph, then the bullet will always move away from the gun at 1,000 mph. If you go to the front of a train that is moving at 1,000 mph and shoot the gun forward, the bullet will move away from you and the train at 1,000 mph, just as it would if the train were stopped. But, relative to the ground, the bullet will travel at 2,000 mph, the speed of the bullet plus the speed of the train. So if the bullet hits something on the ground, it will hit it going 2,000 mph.

If you shoot the bullet off the back of the train, the bullet will still be moving away from you and the gun at 1,000 mph, but now the speed of the train will subtract from the speed of the bullet. Relative to the ground, the bullet will not be moving at all, and it will drop straight to the ground.

What's true for bullets, however, is not true of some other things that you might "shoot" from the front of the train. A great example is sound waves. If you turn on the stereo in your living room, sound waves "shoot out" of the speaker at the speed of sound -- something like 700 mph. The waves propagate through the air at that fixed speed, and they can go no faster.
So if you put a speaker at the front of the 1,000 mph train, the sound waves will not depart the train at 1,700 mph. They cannot go faster than the speed of sound. This is the reason why planes traveling faster than the speed of sound create sonic booms.

[Edward429451]

Just remembered a good one.

"That the presence of guns can be construed to be probable cause that a crime has been committed even if the investigation is of a non violent or misdemeanor nature, b/c there are so many guns and crime committed with them thats its reasonable to assume that they were party to a crime and are therefore immediately and obviously incriminating, even if later found to not have been used in a crime"

Courtesy CSPD & El-Paso county court.:rolleyes: :fire:

[Quartus]

FYI....


howstuffworks.com is a good place to get bad information. Not EVERYTHING on the site is wrong, but enough to make it a poor resource.


It's a great example of the triumph of advertising over substance...

[Blain]

2. guns like the Joker used;


I'd like to hear more about this one!!!!!!!



One of the dumbest gun related things I've heard is from fellow peers whe they say,

"Carrying a gun on the street will put you even more at risk, because if a criminal finds out you have a gun, he is likely going to shoot you first. Better to not have a gun at all, then he won't kill you, and if you do get in a armed holdup, you won't be able to pull your gun out anyway."


:rolleyes: :barf: :banghead:

[StLGlocker]

The VPC's current lines that (1) a pistol grip stock makes a rifle easier to fire from the hip. (2) that firing from the hip is more "lethal."

Yes. The U.S. military doesn't have clue, they've been firing their weapons the wrong way for decades. VPC really ought to send someone over to the Pentagon, and show them the far superior hip-firing method, so they can be "more lethal" and do a better job of "hosing down the area".:rolleyes:

[ninenot]

The Milwaukee County District Attorney at a legislative hearing (9/10/03) on CCW: "I don't have any statistics. I oppose CCW based on my years of experience. You know, road rage incidents, or a CCW holder having a few beers, coming across a crime-in-progress and becoming 'John Wayne.' But I don't have any statistics"

[Editor's note: I heard him make these remarks. I was at the hearing.]

The Wisconsin State Senator (T. Carpenter) on the same bill, same hearing: "Now Mr McCann (the DA above), if the criminals know that there are citizens with concealed weapons, don't you think that the criminals will get LARGER weapons, and then the citizens will get EVEN LARGER weapons...?"

[To my knowledge this is the first time that CCW was blamed for the nuclear arms race.]

[David4516]

Found a good one in the local paper today, in the sporting goods for sale section:

"Remington 742 Woodsmaster .30-06. Pre-64. 3-9 Scope, soft case. Exc shape. $465 (503) 636-****"

Except for the phone number editing, this is exactly as it was printed. Last time I checked a Pre-64 remington wasn't worth more than a post-64 remington. I was under the impression that the term "Pre-64" only applied to Winchester firearms...

[Amegatek]

Snipers in vietnam could hit targets from a mile away, they used a .50 machine gun caseing necked down to a 7mm(prolly a special one). My dad talked to two snipers at Doung Wan with this set up and said the best shoot was almost 2 miles (clean head shot), the thing they were worried about was someone walking in front of the target because it takes so long to get there.

What about Carlos Hathcock's shot in Vietnam when he took out the enemy sniper (through the scope IIRC, shot was so far, he aimed at the sunlight glinting off the BG's scope)? Anyone know the range of this shot? It escapes me at the moment... :confused:

[Detritus]

Anyone know the range of this shot?

do NOT hold me to this, as my memory of the place where i heard the following info is slightly hazy (plus i'm taking cold meds at the moment adn it's 1:30am as i write this...) but..

i seem to recall either hearing in a TV interveiw, or reading in a print interveiw of The Gunny, that the distance for that shot was under 300 yards, (possibly as short as 50-100yrds).

Hathcock ALWAYS maintained a number of "lucky conditions" relating to that particular shot... 1.He [hathcock] was "up sun" so the OTHER guy's scope lens flashed not his, 2. that He got off his shot a split second faster than the other guy (the VC sniper's scope was pointed AT hathcock at the time the gunny fired, otherwise the rest of the conditions of this "legendary shot" would NOT have happened), and 3. that it was pure coincidence (other than "aiming where the flash was") that he centerpunched the guy's scope.

i also seem to remember hathcock commenting that until he and another Marine went to confirm the kill he of course had no idea where he hit the guy, and in fact except for the evidence of "no further shots fired" he had no proof that he HAD hit the guy.


again this is the fuzzy remembering of a guy on nyquil,:scrutiny: (need "drunk as a skunk" icon) i could be off in out space someplace, but i don't think so :D

[Amegatek]

I seem to recall either hearing in a TV interveiw, or reading in a print interveiw of The Gunny, that the distance for that shot was under 300 yards, (possibly as short as 50-100yrds).

An excerpt from the book "Marine Sniper" says the shot was 2500 yards. Which is 1.42 miles! :eek:

[zpo]

RE: Raging Glock Thread: To the best of my searching ablilities, I cannot find it. It was on GlockTalk, but I believe it has been deleted. Maybe someone saved it for posterity? Anyone?

[Detritus]

Amegatek,

that's not the same incident. the one you're refering to is one of the shots(two are refferenced int eh book the longest, adn one against a kid with a bicycle laoded down with weapons adn ammo) made with a scoped M-2 machine gun, and is i believe still the longest recorded combat sniper kill. that kill was made on a man carrying what turned out to be a chinese copy of a Mosin-Nagant rifle, who came into veiw and stopped in place at one of the spots Hathcock had previously pre-registered the gun.


the "sunlight off the scope" shot was made at MUCH shorter distance. and was the closing shot of a "sniper duel" (ie hathcock and the Viet sniper were hunting each other)

[vanbeast]

“I like Taurus ‘cause they got that second trigger on the side” QuarterBoreGunner wins. Everyone else go home.

;)

[Fed168]

Met a guy who claimed his enfield could shoot 1000 yards very accurately. Of course this is after he chopped it and such (we're not talking gunsmith here).

Methinks people get 100 and 1000 yards confused alot.

[Evil_Ed]

LostDog,

12) I want the swat team in polo shirts......BDU's look to much like the military.(my county police dept.)

Actually I don't think that is silly at all. I think part of the problem these days is that many officers run around all tactical all the time trying to look like an elite military unit. I don't really have a problem with BDU's for the SWAT team for the special reaction stuff but I would require them to be police blue and be clearly marked as Police uniforms just like the regular beat cops and I wouldn't allow the stupid ninja masks anymore (and before anyone says it, if they are an undercover agent and need their face hidden then they DON'T NEED TO BE A PART OF THE RAID).


My favorite funny is "We're from the government, we're here to help you."

Stupid gun related: "A 44 magnum will cut a man in half!"

:what: :banghead:

[capnrik]

Silliest gun related comment I have ever heard? Hands down, the winner is.................."Don't worry, it isn't loaded."

[Patent Works]

Juneau Alaska cab driver:

"A 357 magnum is the ideal for bear, but a 45 is so powerful it will split your hand wide open when you shoot it."

[grnzbra]

Im going to have to 2nd, and 3rd and 4th the one about 357s in engine blocks...

What was the bullet made of. When I was told about .357s and engine blocks, it was in reference to a round with a tungsten-carbide bullet with a point that looked like an inverted ice cream cone. (The guy who was telling the story had a box of the bullets). Don't know if it would go through an engine block, but I do think it would go through 1/4 inch steel.

[arinvolvo]

ya, as a general rule, you SHOULDNT shoot at engine blocks...or brake drums...not to say i havent...just YOU shouldnt.:rolleyes:

[fix]

It's right here on this thread...

one would imagine a Lt. would know better!

By far, the silliest I've heard! :D

[Flying V]

I was at a gun show, looking over a Bulgarian Makarov. The table jockey informed me that "if anything goes wrong with that gun, Makarov will take care of it."

[fslflint]

oh my gosh!!!!!, flying v. I just about fell off my chair from that one.

[Evil_Ed]

fix said:
It's right here on this thread...


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one would imagine a Lt. would know better!
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By far, the silliest I've heard!

Hehehe, I was gonna let that comment pass the first time but since you brought it up again...

You do know what is the most dangerous thing known to man??


------ A Lt. with a compass and a map. :evil:

[Carbon_15]

this was waaaaay before I was even into guns

I remember before I was into guns....but it was really dark, wet and cramped, and I had this tube coming out of my belly button.

[Red_SC]

When I was working for a contractor, my boss brought in a guy to help us paint a house. He had been in the Navy for three years, as a Seal sniper. He shot a 50 cal with a four mode scope. "Infrared, ultraviolet, all that stuff. You could look through a brick wall like it wasn't there."

At the end of the day, both me and my coworker threatened to quit if he was there the next day.

[ACORN]

Man am I glad my Makarov has a warranty! They must have left the card out of the box.:p

A guy that worked with me told me was a sniper in the Army.He took his M16 home with him, when got out of the service, but he had to
strip it down, and NOBODY can put it back together (not even him).
I told him to bring it around and I'd do it. But he said the "sniper version" was totally different than a regular M16.
I think the flaws in this story are numerous.

[iapetus]

Whenever someone in the UK threatens the police/public with replica firearm, and gets shot by police marksmen:

Someone will write to the papers / phone in to TV shows saying:

"The police are trained marksmen. They should have shot the gun out of his hand!" (Or shot him in the leg, etc)

(And usually followed up soon after with "We should ban replica firearms!")

[thefitzvh]

The most dangerous thing in the military is not an LT with a map...


it's an E6 that says "Hey, guys... watch this s**t"

[Detritus]

The most dangerous thing in the military is not an LT with a map...


it's an E6 that says "Hey, guys... watch this s**t"



you/re BOTH wrong it's a Col. in a helo with a map and AN IDEA (sort of a cross between the above two)