Big Berkeley Bust...Anyone we know?


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atek3
July 24, 2005, 02:14 AM
http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/article.cfm?issue=07-22-05&storyID=21895

somebody got busted bigtime in berkeley.

Federal agents seized a major arms cache that included explosives, machine guns, assault rifles, and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition discovered as Berkeley firefighters battled a blaze in a 3027 Adeline St. liquor store early Wednesday.

And a 178 Plant marijuana Grow.


Sounds like a pretty nice gun collection.

Leslie Tanigawa forgot the first rule. Only commit one set of felonies. Guns or Drugs... play with both and you'll go down hard.

atek3

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Cesiumsponge
July 24, 2005, 02:17 AM
"Arsenal" gets upgraded to "arms cache" when you have full-auto rifles and explosives?

Would Federal agents use the same tactics and seize an arsenal or arms cache of legal class III's in a marijuanaless fire situation? It'd be curious to find out.

SIGarmed
July 24, 2005, 02:20 AM
Oh sure it's people we know. The High Road is filled with drug dealers, and illegal firearm dealers.

Alex45ACP
July 24, 2005, 02:20 AM
:confused:

I don't see any crimes here.

QuarterBoreGunner
July 24, 2005, 02:41 AM
uhm...yeah...no one I know... wrong side of the Bay... move along... these arn't the 'droids you want...



No grow sites here... just guns and ammo...

PaladinVC
July 24, 2005, 02:44 AM
Not a lot of illegal activity going on around here. :uhoh:

OT: I'm DEFINITELY wearing pants. :uhoh:

psyopspec
July 24, 2005, 04:54 AM
Big Berkeley Bust...Anyone we know?

Certainly hope not. I tend to limit my participation and friendships to lawful gun owners who fight for 2A by legit means.

c_yeager
July 24, 2005, 08:14 AM
Oh sure it's people we know. The High Road is filled with drug dealers, and illegal firearm dealers.

Its not a dishonest question nor does it imply illegal activity among THR members. The shooting community isnt all that big and odds are that someone here knows someone who knows someone that knows the guy that owns guy's favorite shop.

bogie
July 24, 2005, 11:50 AM
If they legalized pot tomorrow, hey, it'd likely make it into my Saturday nights...

I'm not wearing any pants. It's Sunday morning and housecleaning time, ferchrissake.

CGofMP
July 24, 2005, 02:07 PM
Big Berkeley Bust...Anyone we know?

You better hope not.

Berkeley is in completely occupied territory. Anyone living here and posting from that stronghold is be deffinition ONE OF THEM! and probably a red spy to boot! :neener: ;)

I'm not wearing any pants. It's Sunday morning and housecleaning time, ferchrissake.

Too Much Information!!!!

... but it does add a new meaning to the word 'broomstick' eh what?

Justin
July 24, 2005, 02:10 PM
Bogie, you owe me one bottle of mind bleach.

veloce851
July 24, 2005, 02:48 PM
This is obviously a case of vigilante arson. Based on the neighborhood outrage towards the liquor store.

Honestly I hate it when people automatically assume that because someone is growing cannibus that they are evil drug dealers.

In my view anyone growing and selling cannibus to grown adults is a patriot. Since it means mexican grown pot wasn't purchased. And mexican grown pot is a major contribution to the growing border problem.

Obviously he wasn't using his brain since he kept his firearms collection and fireworks at the same location as his growing operation.
Now I'm not condoning the illegal activites he was committing.

But there will be a day when each and every one of us will be "outlaws" because we choose to not adhear to unjust and unconstitutional laws. Heck many of us already commited such acts during the period of time the AWB was in place. *an assumption of course ;) *

However I don't know the guy.. he could very well be an A1 scumbag. But just because he was growing and had a fine collection does not automatically make him a scumbag. IMHO

jefnvk
July 24, 2005, 02:48 PM
Additional and still more serious charges could result from the federal investigation, particularly if tests confirm early suspicions that many of the weapons have been illegally modified to fire automatically—that is, to fire continuous bursts so long as pressure is maintained on the trigger.

“From a preliminary examination, it appears that at least a few are fully automatic,” McKee said, “although we will have to await a final determination by our experts.”

So I wonder if the guns full auto? It seems like they don't know for sure.

Probably will get hit just as hard for the CA illegal weapons.

Byron Quick
July 24, 2005, 03:37 PM
It's a shame. One of my good friends is contemplating applying to graduate school in Berkeley. I'd travel to Alaska to help him with any serious problem. I won't be going to the PRK, though. Maybe he'll have an epiphany and change his mind.

atek3
July 24, 2005, 05:27 PM
Oh sure it's people we know. The High Road is filled with drug dealers, and illegal firearm dealers

Wouldn't suprise me one bit. The High Road is huge... and a microcosm for gun owners at large. The vast majority of them are law abiding but really, "drug dealers and illegal firearm dealers" is a big tent. I've known people who've sold a gun across state lines. Illegal firearm dealer. I've known someone who gave someone with a couple of broken ribs some pain pills. Drug Dealer.


Berkeley is in completely occupied territory. Anyone living here and posting from that stronghold is be deffinition ONE OF THEM! and probably a red spy to

Hey... I resemble that comment.

Hold on let me make sure my "little red book" is in order.

Certainly hope not. I tend to limit my participation and friendships to lawful gun owners who fight for 2A by legit means.

So when you guns are outlawed, you'll turn them in? Because after all, you wouldn't be a "lawful gun owner" if the guns are outlawed. When people make comments like that it reminds me of this essay:

Walter Mitty's Second Amendment (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/snyder8.html)

Living in the PRK, I keep my nose clean and am an 'upstanding law abiding citizen', but you don't understand, the level of 'civil disobedience' of california gun laws is tremendous, I'd say probably higher here than anywhere in the country. So if you live out here and want to only associate with lawful gun owners, it'll be you and me, Bub.

atek3

QuarterBoreGunner
July 24, 2005, 05:48 PM
...the level of 'civil disobedience' of california gun laws is tremendous
Very correct. I approach the situation as a 'rational anarchist'; I follow the laws I need to to stay out of trouble.
And then I make up the rest.

CentralTexas
July 24, 2005, 05:51 PM
Did she get her choice of english or ebonics for Miranda?
CT ;)

Combat-wombat
July 24, 2005, 06:28 PM
Certainly hope not. I tend to limit my participation and friendships to lawful gun owners who fight for 2A by legit means.
I haven't broken any gun laws, but I have no problem with people who do. In fact, I respect them more for having the courage to do so. Many people in this state simply say "that's enough" and ignore the laws... and I believe for the most part that's a good thing.

Standing Wolf
July 24, 2005, 10:15 PM
In my view anyone growing and selling cannibus to grown adults is a patriot. Since it means mexican grown pot wasn't purchased. And mexican grown pot is a major contribution to the growing border problem.

This may come as a surprise to some, but it's true: marijuana is the single most valuable agricultural crop grown in the People's Republic of California. Has been for years.

psyopspec
July 25, 2005, 10:47 AM
So when you guns are outlawed, you'll turn them in? Because after all, you wouldn't be a "lawful gun owner" if the guns are outlawed.

When we get to mass registration/confiscation that means the legit means have failed and a new way of fighting for 2A just became necessary. Until then, I'd rather see the fight fought in political and judicial arenas while we still have a chance of winning. Getting caught with drugs and guns looks bad in the media, is illegal, and goes against those of us who are fighting by legit means. Also, just because I would not choose to associate myself with such a person doesn't mean I think what they're doing is wrong or evil - just means I'll seek my entertainment elsewhere.

Billmanweh
July 25, 2005, 11:27 AM
Honestly I hate it when people automatically assume that because someone is growing cannibus that they are evil drug dealers.

I'd say it's very safe to assume that 178 plants was not for personal use.

CGofMP
July 25, 2005, 01:40 PM
I'd say it's very safe to assume that 178 plants was not for personal use.

What a mean spirited, ugly, derisive, slanderous, libelous thing to say!
I'll bet this government oppressed gardener was just growing all of this Mary Jane so that he could make his very own HEMP ROPE for his own PERSONAL USE!

With the price of Nylon rope today being at such sky high prices, it is only the elitists in government trying to financially oppress this upstanding citizen...
:rolleyes:

Erich
July 25, 2005, 01:41 PM
That'd have to be one heck of a case of glaucoma . . .

Flyboy
July 25, 2005, 09:29 PM
the level of 'civil disobedience' of california gun laws is tremendous, I'd say probably higher here than anywhere in the country.
And I'd say it's near zero.

Civil disobedience isn't just breaking the law. It's breaking the law with the intent to get caught. Getting caught is the very purpose of the act; the idea is to force juries to pass judgement that interferes with their own consciences, and to gain sympathy from people who realize what the government is doing is Just Plain Wrong. Keeping your guns secretly isn't civil disobedience, it's just plain disobedience. Now, I can respect that--I have been known to ignore a law or two myself if the law was wrong--but calling it a political protest is stretching things just a bit. When you organize an open-carry rally on the Capitol steps and take your ARs, that will be civil disobedience. And I'll gladly contribute as much as I can possibly afford to your legal defense fund.

Combat-wombat
July 25, 2005, 09:46 PM
It's not so much Civil Disobedience, but more of a "Whatever, screw this. I don't care, I'll do what I want, this crap has gone too far."

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