Is It Legal to Sell a Gun to Someone in Canada?


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Kestrel
July 25, 2005, 12:12 PM
If someone living in Canada wants to buy a shotgun from you here in the US, is that possible? Is it the same as selling out of state here? (Shipping to an FFL?)

I would assume it's not legal, with some kind of export/import laws peventing it.

Thanks.

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P0832177
July 25, 2005, 01:09 PM
You would have to find a FFL willing to jump through the export licensing hoops and such! Very few are willing to engage in that activity. Plus then you get into someone receiving the gun, and shipping costs, too! :banghead:

halvey
July 25, 2005, 01:18 PM
My FFL did it once. And only once.

Kestrel
July 25, 2005, 01:23 PM
Thanks. I thought it would be something like that. Sounds like a lot more trouble and expense than it's worth.

Thanks.

MasterPiece Arms.com
July 25, 2005, 11:36 PM
Here's some ways of looking at it that are not loyal to the government mind control system:

1. It's still legal I think to leave the country.
2. It's still legal I think to take one's property out of the country.
3. In the end, it's the Canadian's responsibility to obey the laws of his nation.
4. "Exporting" is word defined under commercial law and has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.
5. Governments have become experts at convincing uneducated humans that those humans are "required" to do things they actually are NOT required to do. They know those humans will never ever actually read the law, let alone in context.

Keeping the above in mind, if one decides to act as a Citizen and sell his property to someone in Canada, they need to remember that the U.S. government considers you a "person" and/or "individual" until proven otherwise. Under the law, those terms DO NOT mean the same as American Citizen.

If you're going to act as a Citizen, who has rights, you don't ask permission, and you certainly do not use the aparatus that is designed to track "persons" and "individuals" via applications to exercise a person's "privileges."

Now, since governments have made being a Citizen, and exercising Citizen's rights impossible or not worth the effort, I would tell Mr. Canadian to move his behind down here if he wants to buy my gun. :)

logical
July 26, 2005, 12:08 AM
Here's some ways of looking at it that are not loyal to the government mind control system:

1. It's still legal I think to leave the country.
2. It's still legal I think to take one's property out of the country.
3. In the end, it's the Canadian's responsibility to obey the laws of his nation.
4. "Exporting" is word defined under commercial law and has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.
5. Governments have become experts at convincing uneducated humans that those humans are "required" to do things they actually are NOT required to do. They know those humans will never ever actually read the law, let alone in context.

Keeping the above in mind, if one decides to act as a Citizen and sell his property to someone in Canada, they need to remember that the U.S. government considers you a "person" and/or "individual" until proven otherwise. Under the law, those terms DO NOT mean the same as American Citizen.

If you're going to act as a Citizen, who has rights, you don't ask permission, and you certainly do not use the aparatus that is designed to track "persons" and "individuals" via applications to exercise a person's "privileges."

Now, since governments have made being a Citizen, and exercising Citizen's rights impossible or not worth the effort, I would tell Mr. Canadian to move his behind down here if he wants to buy my gun.
That makes semi-interesting reading but it doesn't stand up legally or philisophically. We hold the right to make things illegal here that may be lawful in other countries. canada, as a country, has that same right.
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Glenn Kelley
July 26, 2005, 12:47 AM
Export permits are required for weapons going either way.Americans show up to gun auctions here all the time so The movement your way is easier.These rules are the result of some treaty to limit small arms sales to rebel groups.Passed under Clinton and Chretien.

RevDisk
July 26, 2005, 07:39 AM
Export permits are required for weapons going either way.Americans show up to gun auctions here all the time so The movement your way is easier.These rules are the result of some treaty to limit small arms sales to rebel groups.Passed under Clinton and Chretien.

What? The Quebec seperatists getting uppity these days? :neener:

Glenn Kelley
July 26, 2005, 11:06 PM
Chretien was the Prime Minister at the time.His Minister of Foreign Affairs was Lloyd Axworthy who got on really well with the Clinton administration.He had this idea that if small arms sales were restricted then there would be less civil war in the world.

Separatists....yawn.

Carl N. Brown
July 28, 2005, 03:13 PM
So Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs Lloyd Axworthy restricted
gun sales in Canada to stop civil wars in the world. That is the
left mindset of voodoo symbolic legislation.

SHOOT1SAM
July 29, 2005, 01:15 AM
SteveW13:

I'm POSITIVE that it's legal. Unless you get caught! :p

Sam

thorn726
July 29, 2005, 03:39 PM
dont forget all the duty tax they are likely to charge.
i ship a fair amount of toys to Canada, once forgot to label a package as a "gift" (avoids duties) = $11 tax on a $30 item

Glenn Kelley
July 29, 2005, 08:56 PM
Carl,
The law doesn't restrict the sale of guns within Canada.It restricts sales across borders.Simply we get caught(on both sides of the line)by a law that had nothing to do with us.

brickeyee
July 29, 2005, 10:11 PM
The law governing the transfer of guns, gun parts, bullets, ammunition, powder, primers, etc, is called ITAR. International traffic in Arms Regulations. It is very restrictive and specific. You may not even sell a bullet across the US border without a permit, let alone an actual firearm. Fines are hefty. an export license is a PITA to obtain, and is good for only a single transaction.

Glenn Kelley
July 29, 2005, 11:17 PM
Brickeyee,

We have gun auctions here in Paris Ontario about 3 times a year and there are always American buyers in the crowd.What kind of licencing do they have since they don't know what they will be bringing home?

ajkurp
July 30, 2005, 12:50 AM
I hold that no government of men has the right to infringe on natural God given human rights.

Just don't let 'em catch you acting like a free man. They hate that.

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