Ignorance Encounter:


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XD40EZO
July 25, 2005, 01:38 PM
I am a typical person that is involved in many different activities (hobbies), and for support, I have joined several forums that match that particular hobby or activity. Just like THR, my gun friends.

But one of the forums I’m highly involved in is a BASS GUITAR forum. I know of a few members in there that share the same interest as I do. Guns and Guitars. Since I was in the process of selling one of my pistols, I wanted to make sure that everyone that I know (at least know of) was informed of my sale.

Well, I made a stupid mistake of posting it on my Bass forum. I thought I was comfortable enough (since I’ve been there for several years) to casually post something like this. I was confronted by members stating that it wasn’t the place to sell. Understandable. So I immediately apologized for what I’ve done. So, I told them that my intensions were to give others (gun-loving bass players) the opportunity to see what I’m selling and maybe draw some interest out of those forums.

But it did not end right there. I was bombarded with tons of INGNORANT COMMENTS. I was basically branded as a MURDER WEAPON SUPPLIER. They threw in all sorts of (their own version) gun laws. Gave me some murder statistics, ratios of criminal acts…etc… man, they really got on my case. I was LOL when I started reading their statements. I have never seen such an IGNORAMOUS amount of people. I understand if some people could careless about Gun laws or really don’t know anything, but for someone to come up with their own version of the law based on hearsay, is absolutely absurd. The thread trickled far and long.

I really did not waste my time in defense, because there’s no winning in that discussion. I still read some of the trickles for some laughs, but I think I’m through dealing with that ignorant attitude.

But then again, NRA deals with those type of people every single moment and everyone is entitled. I guess.

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mzmtg
July 25, 2005, 01:44 PM
Link?

chris in va
July 25, 2005, 02:39 PM
Maybe I'm just stereotyping, but I've found most musicians/artists to be quite the misinformed liberal and I make sure not to strike up a firearms convo around them.

critter
July 25, 2005, 02:43 PM
Intillect has vast limitations but ignorence is not thus incumbered.

odysseus
July 25, 2005, 02:57 PM
Maybe I'm just stereotyping, but I've found most musicians/artists to be quite the misinformed liberal and I make sure not to strike up a firearms convo around them.

Agreed. I used to play a lot when I was younger and knew pretty famous musicians and band members. Of course, this is not country and western music. Sometimes you ran into people who were RKBA friendly, but they were few and far between. To me, many in that industry are beyond ignorant on the facts, and hypocritical with their thoughts and speech on it. In fact - that's your easiest strike on them, talk about Amendment 1 - then show them how Amendment 2 is just as important.

Jim K
July 25, 2005, 02:57 PM
Like media people. To them, the Constitution consists of the words "Freedom of the Press" and they don't see anything wrong with advocating the extermination of anyone who disagrees with them.

Jim

Biker
July 25, 2005, 03:02 PM
I played profesionally for most of my life and I still teach guitar. However, I went to the same 'old school' that Ted Nugent did. It's been my experience that most musicians are on the left side of the fence except for the country boys (I'm not a country music fan, personally). :cool:
Biker

Zundfolge
July 25, 2005, 03:17 PM
It always amazes me how artists...people who's entire existence is built around the importance of freedom of individual expression...can wholly embrace a political philosophy (liberalism) that has as one of its ultimate goals the destruction of the concept of individualism (and replace it with collectivism).

must be too much pot or something :neener:

torpid
July 25, 2005, 03:25 PM
Intillect has vast limitations but ignorence is not thus incumbered.
:what:

(ahem)

Intellect has vast limitations but ignorance is not thus encumbered.

Sorry, it's not my usual style, but in this case I just had to.

:D

HankB
July 25, 2005, 03:38 PM
I've found most musicians/artists to be quite the misinformed liberal and I make sure not to strike up a firearms convo around them. There are exceptions, some quite notable. Elvis owned guns, didn't he? Mel Torme (Peaked before my time, but my mother liked him) was a big-time Colt revolver collector.

Quite a few of the big names in C&W music are into hunting & target shooting.

Ever hear of rocker Ted Nugent, the Motor City Madman? (Did Cat Scratch Fever and wrote the cookbook Kill it and Griil It.) He's on the NRA Board of Directors.

And let's not forget Kurt Cobain, the drug-addled no-talent doper who improved the average quality of rock music through his use of a gun. :evil: (On the other hand, maybe he's best forgotten. Entirely.)

grimjaw
July 25, 2005, 04:44 PM
Hey, I liked some of Nirvana's music.

Let's not forgot all the gangstah rappers who, while they probably couldn't play a guitar, used love to talk about their 'fo-d's' and 'nines.'

There are some interest groups that I've lost interest in because the members viewed the subject of firearms with distaste. An Adobe Photoshop IRC channel I frequent encourages lots of discussions off topic, but not guns. Anytime an honest discussion of the subject comes up and I point out facts ("licensing cars hasn't prevented people from being killed by them," etc), the subject is abruptly changed.

jmm

10 Ring Tao
July 25, 2005, 05:01 PM
With rare exception, musicians and "artiste" types run almost completely on an emotional drive. Couple that with a sense of individual entitlement, and you have a recipe for thinking that no matter how irrational a person is, they're still right, just because they're basing it on THEIR emotions.

As we all know, those who exist on an emotional drive fail to see the big picture, and embrace knee jerk reactions as a way of life.

"Guns are scary, guns are bad, and because thats the way I *FEEL*, I can't be wrong."

DigMe
July 25, 2005, 05:11 PM
Yeah man, I see my share of that stuff over at www.talkbass.com. However we have a pretty good contigent of shooters and gun owners. Knowing this, one of my friends there recently asked a question about purchasing a Glock. Of course there were several people that flipped out and complained and said that the thread should be closed but the man (from Austin) that runs/owns the board declared that it should stay open. We've also got a running "Show your gun/knife collection thread over there too.

brad cook

Dionysusigma
July 25, 2005, 06:10 PM
First band I was ever in was somewhat based in Leesburg, GA. One day, our drummer took us out plinking with some sort of bolt .22 (this was way before I got into guns). We had gone down by the creek and the drummer and bassist were shooting at rocks and cans and general "shootable stuff". One particular empty can of Sunkist was being a problem, and neither of them could hit it. I picked up a small rock, and threw--and with a satisfying *clack* hit the thing dead center. The drummer turned to me, and asked: "Hey... have you ever seen Braveheart?" :D

The other guitar player hadn't come along, since his parents taught him to fear guns at an early age. Go figure as to why he had a bunch of cheap swords and junk. :scrutiny: :confused: I mostly didn't like the noise level. Two hours of mind-melting wattage from three Fenders and a set of drums was, to me, preferable than a split second of burning powder.

Oh, and Torpid...
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tthomps6/grammarnazi-Zeinin.jpg
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tthomps6/grammarnazi-Zeinin.jpg



:D

Standing Wolf
July 25, 2005, 09:19 PM
I've scandalized more than a few of my fellow artists and writers. If naught else, it offers them an opportunity—usually wasted—to open their minds.

280PLUS
July 25, 2005, 09:39 PM
Heck, I'll play guitars OR guns with ya.

Oh Dionys, wouldn't torpid be more of a SPELLING Nazi than a GRAMMAR Nazi?

Which makes ME a DEFINITION Nazi. :eek:

:D

Wayne D
July 25, 2005, 09:52 PM
I've met the type. Drugs should be legal but guns should be outlawed. I guess they're worried about shooting themselves when stoned. :D

torpid
July 25, 2005, 10:29 PM
Sorry, I couldn't help it.

I have to fix it when somebody botches it while ridiculing someone else's intelligence. It's kind of a karmic balance thing.
:D

For some strange reason, "grammar Nazi" posts are the most vulnerable to counter-correction, so I'm now filled with dread.
:uhoh:

Stevie-Ray
July 25, 2005, 10:49 PM
Maybe I'm just stereotyping, but I've found most musicians/artists to be quite the misinformed liberal and I make sure not to strike up a firearms convo around them. Very true. Folks like our thread starter along with Nugent and a select few others are rather the exceptions that prove the rule. Country, as was stated, is far friendlier toward guns. I went country about 11 years ago, simply because I was sick of the same oldies, and detest most of today's music. I found it to contain the best music today, but of course, you must be choozy. Like all music, not everything country is good but it's mostly what I listen to now. And most of the artists don't have a problem with guns and many are gun fanatics like us. :D

Does anybody remember the Eagles? Their songs are still played on country stations. That type of music is what country music is today, rather than the "man gone an' I'm pregnant" crap that was the norm many years ago. I still hate that stuff, and when some new artist hearkens back to that era with a new song, I change stations. :rolleyes:

atblis
July 25, 2005, 11:16 PM
That was some pretty awful spelling. I tend to avoid correcting people, as English may not be their first language.

gaston_45
July 25, 2005, 11:47 PM
WOW. Just wow. Your thread got goodwined by a THREAD DRIFT POST!! Sorry dude!

WvaBill
July 26, 2005, 12:05 AM
That was some pretty awful spelling.


That sentence could have qualified as parody. Well, I read it that way, anyhow.

DWS1117
July 26, 2005, 12:21 AM
I can' t speak too much about musicians, but I speant 10 years as a professional stagehand doing concerts and theater, more theater that concert. I only worked about 60-70 concerts and rarely encountered the musicians. The attitude towards guns in the theater had more of an anti lean. The stagehands tended to be a more gun friendly bunch.

The really crappy part of the whole stagehand gig was that it along with the performing side tended to be driven by the unions. the best gigs and best pay was through the unions, and unions tend to support the democratic candidates. I used several I.A.T.S.E. quarterly magazines as targets because that had support Kerry adds.

10 Ring Tao
July 26, 2005, 01:01 AM
WOW. Just wow. Your thread got goodwined by a THREAD DRIFT POST!! Sorry dude!

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26921&stc=1

280PLUS
July 26, 2005, 07:02 AM
I went country about 11 years ago, simply because I was sick of the same oldies, and detest most of today's music.

+1

except I went country about 20 years ago and got sick of THAT TOO! :barf:

NOW WHAT DO I DO?? :eek:

Funny though, I belong to a "Guitar Society" and the Prez is a big gunner and the Newsletter editor (a female ENGLISH PROFESSOR) used to own a Sharps among other things and claimed to be able to "Hit a flea at 200 yards with it". But neither of them are actually musicians so maybe that doesn't count. Hmmm, this bears further investigation...

:evil:

Joey101
July 26, 2005, 07:26 AM
I can only say this much, and I am a gun lover so don't take this the wrong way!

I am in a band that well.....is pretty well known. We'll just leave it at that. And while many of the people in the industry I know hate guns, there are some that love them as well. But the reason everybody now is afraid of them is because of the unfortunate events back in Dec. when "Dimebag" Darrel Abbott was shot while performing on stage. I remember back when that happened, my band had the whole month booked with shows, the anxiatey left but not before terrorizing us and our crew for 3-5 shows after. Truly not a good feeling. For those of you who have performed on stage. You cannot see the crowd your up there doing what you love to do, and at the same time worring about getting shot. :what:

Dimebag was a friend of the band. He was the pinnacle of what a national band should be. If you caught him out and about in Deep Ellum he would always greet you with a huge texas "Hell Yeah", and then you would "getcha a' pool" means Drink. LOL! But yeah he will sorely be missed.

Sorry to go on a rant about that, I know it isn't gun related but I figured for all you that hadn't heard about this it would prove usefull.

280PLUS
July 26, 2005, 08:00 AM
Sorry to go on a rant about that, I know it isn't gun related but I figured for all you that hadn't heard about this it would prove usefull. No apologies necessary for me, sorry for the loss of your friend. People that commit crimes like that are the 1 in 10 million who ruin it for law abiding gun owners. I'm sorry to say until I heard about it I had never heard of Dimebag, I wouldnt mind a brief anthology or just a couple of things I could listen to. I worked a few bars before I'd had enough of it and now I work the door for these society people, so I know what you're saying.

As far as the anxiety, the best advice I've ever heard came from a guy I knew that survived the cliffs at Normandy, it went something like, " If your number is up, it's up, if it isn't it isn't. So, there's no sense worrying about it, just go about your business and get your job done."

I know that's not verbatim but it catches the idea.

The industry's anti gun feelings are quite understandable from your point of view but it is the gun being blamed and not the act of one low life individual.

Again, sorry for your loss. The name John Lennon comes to mind.

:(

Wayne D
July 26, 2005, 08:47 AM
That sentence could have qualified as parody. Well, I read it that way, anyhow. Me too :cool:

Ryder
July 26, 2005, 10:06 AM
"My soul for a gun" - Darrel Abbott

This says it all to me and everybody should be deprived of them at least once to realize just what that means.

thatguy
July 26, 2005, 11:05 AM
In the music world there are far more Bonos than Ted Nugents so the anti-gun response shouldn't be a big surprise.

Ignorant is a good word to describe the typical reaction from anti-types.

280PLUS
July 26, 2005, 09:02 PM
Did a search on Dimebag and listened to somew of his stuff, not my style but I can appreciate his playing. Very innovative. Sad that he's gone. :(

c_yeager
July 27, 2005, 03:04 AM
Hey, I liked some of Nirvana's music.

People often forget that Kurt Cobain was a gun owner... :uhoh:

richyoung
July 27, 2005, 12:46 PM
Joey101 - I used to road crew for a band (Paradox) that used to play the same converted bowling alley in Lawton Oklahoma as Pantera, back in the days when they were still a "Hair Metal" outfit. I can honestly say I never heard a bad word about him, unlike many of the "touring" bands of the day. He will be missed. Feel free to let us in on what instrument you play, what kind of music, etc...I used to have a band & am trying to put another together.

No_Brakes23
July 27, 2005, 01:08 PM
Wonder what they would think of this bass:

http://tinypic.com/9i9zwp.jpg

Partisan Ranger
July 27, 2005, 01:32 PM
I recommend classical music. Almost all of the musicians (of note, at least) are safely in their graves and cannot offend me by their politics.

And if you have not listened to Bach's Mass in B Minor or your choice of Mozart's piano concertos, you haven't lived.

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