Are Encore Pistols legal in California?

[kevin387]

I am under the impression that new ones are not but if you already have one it is ok to buy extra barrels except maybe the 45/410.

Please no lecturing about the PRK, we all know that that single shot 5 pound handguns are the choice of evil doers and that the PRK is just trying to make us safer :rolleyes: .

[thatguy]

TC pulled out of the CA market due to the ridiculous drop test law. New guns are not sold there and no Contender pistols appear on the "approved list" so FFL dealers cannot sell any Contender to a CA resident. Private party transfers of guns already in the state would be legal but importing any guns for purpose of sale would not be legal. Barrels should be legal to buy and sell save for any chambering shot ammo.

You'll get no lecture from me. What you will get is my heartfelt condolences for living in a socialist state that has suspended the 2nd Amendment.

[Pietro Beretta]

Why is the drop test ridiculous? I know this dirived from the "saturday night special" laws, where CA does not allow "Junk Guns"

I happen to agree that a drop test should be done, A gun shouldnt fire unless the trigger is pulled, Period.

If a Hi-Point, for 140$ out the door, can pass this test, I dont know why a 500 dollar TC cant :confused:

[Jesse308]

I happen to agree that a drop test should be done, A gun shouldnt fire unless the trigger is pulled, Period.

Yes a firearm should not fire if the trigger is not pulled but California only has the drop test is to get money from the gun companies. The gun companies have to submit/pay for the gun to be approved and they have to submit/pay more even if the firearm comes in different finishes. So say Beretta submits/pays for the blue 92FS to be approved they also have to submit/pay again for the stainless 92FS. And the gun companies have to renewal/pay for that particular handgun when it expires. The CA DOJ is just getting extortion money from the gun companies.

[kevin387]

ditto jesse

[Pietro Beretta]

I knew that argument was going to come up.

I didnt agree with the registration crap thats just a money maker, like traffic tickets, a way to generate money.

All guns should just be "drop safe" , standards should be set :scrutiny:

[Matt-man]

All guns should just be "drop safe" , standards should be set

That would be fine if the "safe handgun law" was really about safety. It's not. It's a gun ban in disguise, because it's really about restricting the types of guns that Californians have access to. If it was about safety, why would a gun's safety certification expire? And why would every single variant of a gun, down to the finish and sights, need to be tested separately? And why are the proposed "micro-stamping" requirements going to be made part of the "safe handgun" requirements? They have nothing to do with safety.

[joe4702]

I mail ordered an Encore frame a few years back from "Eds Contenders" in Oklahoma. The receiving FFL here in CA listed it as "Frame-Rifle" on both the 4473 and CA paperwork. It cannot legally be used with a pistol grip and forend.

[El Tejon]

PB, it's not about consumer protection, it's about government protection.

Governments have long used "sub-standard firearms safety" as a means to disarm those of lower SESs. In the South the Army and Navy laws allowed Southern states to disarm the freedmen by pricing firearms beyond their reach.

In fact, some researchers believe that the reason for the delay between the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and 1964 was that it took that long for Blacks to arm themselves sufficiently against White nightriders and thugs.

It's never about what the politicians say it is. It is about keeping the politicians in power.

[thatguy]

Joe4701- If you call the ATF with that serial they will tell you it's a handgun. When the serial is assigned to the frame the manufacturer must notify the ATF of the number, including the type of firearm. Regardless of what the dealer writes on the 4473, you have a handgun and you and the dealer have violated CA state law on importing an unapproved handgun. I suspect that nobody in Sacramento will ever catch on but I don't want others thinking that what you did was legal.

This discussion has come up before and some people think that what the dealer writes on the 4473 determines what type of gun it is but that is not correct. The manufacturer must report production to the ATF at the time the gun (or frame) is made and the serial is designated at that time as belonging to a handgun, rifle or shotgun. It can't be changed later. Once a handgun, always a handgun as far as the feds are concerned. Putting a 16" barrel and a butt stock on it doesn't make it a rifle. It's a pistol with a stock and a long barrel.