(MN) Gun teacher's lessons pay off in real life


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Drizzt
July 27, 2005, 02:06 AM
Gun teacher's lessons pay off in real life

Howie Padilla, Star Tribune
July 26, 2005 LUCKY0726

When Lucky Rosenbloom found himself face to face with an armed suspect early Sunday morning, he fought off the urge to pull out his .40-caliber semiautomatic Ruger handgun.

Recounting the incident in south Minneapolis, Rosenbloom said he kept his gun holstered, adhering to the lessons he tries to teach in classes for people seeking a permit to carry a gun.

"I always tell the students that they are neither the police nor John Wayne," Rosenbloom said Monday. "Don't get involved."

Well, sort of.

Rosenbloom said he was out for a midnight walk near Bloomington Avenue S. and Lake Street when he saw a man waving something and angrily yelling racial epithets at people. Even when the man pointed in Rosenbloom's direction, the instructor kept his gun holstered.

Rosenbloom walked away, thinking the suspect would follow him. Then he heard a gunshot and tried to point a nearby police officer to the suspect, who tried to elude police by ducking into an alley.

Authorities later said that an off-duty Minneapolis police officer also saw the man fire the weapon in the air.

"I didn't know if he fired that shot at me or someone else," Rosenbloom said. "But at that point, he wasn't going to get away."

Rosenbloom said he went to the other side of the alley to confront the man and they started walking toward each other. They were about 20 feet from each other when police arrived and ordered Rosenbloom to the ground.

He complied, which he and police say everyone, whether they have a permit to carry a weapon, needs to be prepared to do.

In a letter to Minneapolis Police Chief Bill McManus, Rosenbloom lauded the officers, who he said did exactly what they were supposed to do. "I hope you give each of them adulation for their abilities to deal with an unknown situation," he wrote.

The 43-year-old man walking toward Rosenbloom was arrested a short time later and police found a silver handgun that they believe the man tried to discard, said department spokesman officer Ron Reier.

Of Rosenbloom, Reier said: "It seems like he acted appropriately as an observer who waited for the police to arrive.

"We were able to apprehend the suspect and get one more gun off the street," Reier said.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5525767.html

Is it just me? or did this story leave a bad taste the way it was written? I'm not saying Rosenbloom or the Police did anything wrong, but the writer seems to have just barely subdued his distaste for citizens carrying a firearm. Maybe I'm just imagining it.

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Mulliga
July 27, 2005, 02:27 AM
Definitely an antigun tone, but at least this CCW instructor got out safely. He walked the walk.

mnrivrat
July 27, 2005, 04:05 AM
I don't know ?

There seems to be a couple area's of that article that puzzle me.

"I didn't know if he fired that shot at me or someone else," Rosenbloom said. "But at that point, he wasn't going to get away."

Rosenbloom said he went to the other side of the alley to confront the man and they started walking toward each other. They were about 20 feet from each other when police arrived and ordered Rosenbloom to the ground.

Just doesn't sound right to me - why would he "confront the man" ? If police were already present it wouldn't be his job/or a good idea to do that would it?

:confused:

Khaotic
July 27, 2005, 08:25 AM
Not sure if I agree with his assessment of the situation - someone being racial and acting wildly 'waving something' would convince me to find somewhere else to be.

Once a shot is fired the first thing *I* am going to do is seek cover.

Confront him? oh hell no, shoot him maybe, if I have no clear line of escape and DO have a clear line of fire without endangering the public at large, but walking up to a man waving a gun who's just fired it for no discernable reason is just baiting Darwins ghost.

-K

Ego Archive
July 27, 2005, 08:43 AM
The Star trib is generally fairly negative on gun permit holders, so I'm not particulary surprised. And the story is obviously edited or something. He pointed the suspect out to a LEO, who tried to elude them by ducking into an alley, then later Roseburg tries to confront the man? Where is the officer during this? I'm guessing early sunday morning would mean a little while past bar rush saturday night ;)

I'm not sure what he was doing wandering around Lake and Bloomington at that time of the night, but shooting someone could have turned pretty bad pretty quickly. I'd guess they weren't the only two with guns.

Ego Archive
July 27, 2005, 10:01 AM
I had a sneaking suspision that I had heard that name before. so I looked around, and I don't think Lucky was just out for a stroll.

http://www.citypages.com/databank/19/919/article5553.asp
http://mapnp.geeks.org/pipermail/mpls/2004-August/034732.html

I'm pretty sure I've seen mention of him being part of groups that help watch the streets, but I might be wrong. I respect what the man has attempted to do, and the efforts he has put into trying to help. but i'm not sure I believe he was trying to avoid trouble.

NineseveN
July 27, 2005, 11:09 AM
Wow, tough call. Yeah, the easy, and probably smart answer is to run and hide, but there's a part of me that says, "if some nutjob is waving a gun around in my neighborhood, I'll seek close cover and be ready to move".

The police cannot protect you, it's not their job. If my significant other or family or friends were driving by and that guy shot into their car and killed them, and I simply walked away before that, I am unsure that I could live with that. This isn't meant to start a flame war, but what if you took off and let the gun-waving man be, and then he shot some kids walking home that night?

I'm not a vigilante for sure, but this is a little tough to swallow for me. For me, dialing 911, reporting the incident and then seeking some cover close by would likely be my decision. Wow, tough call.

And I agree, Lucky sounds a little fishy to me.

Standing Wolf
July 27, 2005, 07:05 PM
...police found a silver handgun that they believe the man tried to discard...

Those silver hand guns cause the most crime. They should bed banned for the sake of the children.

Andrew Rothman
July 27, 2005, 11:28 PM
Lucky decidedly isn't fishy. He's a black Republican, a Second Amendment suppporter, a certified firearms instructor and a hell of a good guy.

He's also the son of "Tiger Jack" Rosenbloom, who was such a fixture with his little store on Dale Avenue that they renamed a chunk of it after him when he died.

P95Carry
July 27, 2005, 11:34 PM
Definite sniff of anti-bias in the reporting.

Not so sure despite being myself an instructor, that I would have turned away that easily. I would have sought cover of some sort and been into condition orange at very least - hoping to stay safe to see how things played out.

Yep - those ''silver guns'' - phew - gotta get them ''off the street'' (how I hate that expression)

10 Ring Tao
July 27, 2005, 11:48 PM
For those who know the Strib, the antigun tone should be no surprise.

goose
July 28, 2005, 12:57 AM
I've been getting the Strib (Mpls Star Trib) for close to 15 yrs now.....not that I like it, but I get it to know what the "Enemy Newspaper" has to say about most thing. The Strib is anti-gun, pro taxes (and of course pro spend, spend, spend), and the Pols (politicians) can do no wrong. Such is life.

entropy
July 28, 2005, 08:47 AM
The 'Pravda of the Midwest' strikes again. Every time I read it, it raises my ire. Glad this story turned out well in that no one got hurt. Tiger Jack's legacy lives on. His son Lucky indeed chose the high road. :)

Ego Archive
July 28, 2005, 11:22 AM
Matt Payne, don't get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for what Lucky has tried to do. I was just thinking I saw something about him being part of the citizen patrol group that would meet around the Bloomington and Chicago area, but I could be wrong.

I'm a huge advocate of the Citizen Patrol group (not saying Lucky is part of that group, I honestly don't know.), but I'm not sure what I think of a firearms instructor, carrying around that area, and potentially confronting troublemakers.

On a personal thought I applaud anyone willing to stand up for their (our) community. My political brain starts to worry that actions like this don't help our cause. If a different strib reporter(or KARE 11) had run with that story, I can hear in my mind Vigilantism being trotted out.

Of course this begs the question, "What do people think about CCW holders being part of a Citizens Patrol group?"

middy
July 28, 2005, 11:42 AM
Hmmm. I don't see the anti-gun bias at all. <shrug>

NineseveN
July 28, 2005, 11:52 AM
Well, considering the source of the story, I think I understand why lucky sounded fishy to me. I retract my comment and apologize.

As for CCW and CPG's...I have no problem with it, but I think the law might should something happen...I can hear the cries of "Vigilante" in the wind as I type this.

Mr.BadExample
July 28, 2005, 01:54 PM
When I lived in Minneapolis, we called it the Star & Sickle.
But I regret leaving- they have CCW now and NJ don't :)

BigRedBowtie
July 28, 2005, 02:13 PM
Red Star and Tribune, Hammer and Sickle, Enemy Paper- Whichever you'd rather. I prefer Hammer and Sickle myself. :evil:

That Said, I thought the article was written more from a perspective of ignorance rather than anti... Seems as though this reporter relayed the facts as best he could, given his apparent lack of knowledge about firearms. If somebody wants to invite him out to the range for a little "education", I'd be glad to contribute my time, iron and ammo to the party!

We've certainly seen articles from the STrib that were more slanted than this one was.

ralphie98
July 28, 2005, 10:39 PM
I've read it a couple times now, and I don't see the anti-gun or anti-carry slant on this article. It appears to me to be painting a picture of carry permit holders as being responsible people. Everybody seems to think that we are just looking for an opportunity to shoot people, and this article on Lucky shows otherwise. It's nice to see police and carry permit holders having some good things to say about each other after an "incident".

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