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armoredman
July 29, 2005, 06:16 PM
In the wild off chance that I actually get the funds to purchase the Romanian FPK carbine I want - are there any 20 round magazines made for these? I know they have the four packs of 10 round mags for 99, but i would like something a little larger, too....

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slzy
July 29, 2005, 11:30 PM
romaks and svds' have similar magazines,but the block that locks in is different. a magazine latch lever change will allow the use of one or the other. that said i have never seen or even heard of a larger mag,certainly does'nt mean they don't. i have not done this or know the legality of it,but i have wondered if 20 rd. lahti machine gun mags might work,with some accomadations?

Eightball
July 30, 2005, 12:55 AM
Never heard of anything other than 10-round mags. It's a sniper weapon, not a range toy (well, maybe it is...but that's not its main purpose in life :D ). The closest SVD type weapon with high caps would be a Saiga .308, decked out, once 20 rounders hit the market--which assumes they ever get imported again--which assumes a lot of things--which probably aren't likely to happen. So, sounds like you're stuck with 10 rounders :p .

EVIL5LITER
July 30, 2005, 01:27 PM
FWIW, the Romanian $599 dollar specials are NOT Dragunovs.

I know this has been hashed over 1000 times, just giving you fair warning before you spend your hard earned money.

armoredman
July 30, 2005, 02:17 PM
I know the FPK is not a Dragunov clone, but an oversized AK. i have heard some good reviews, and a few bad, almost like any rifle, but I can't afford the $2000 for a real Dragunov, and none come with a short carbine barrel. Does anyone here have one/range report? Something about it just calls to me....maybe the influence of Mosinitis creeping into other combloc weapons....

slzy
July 30, 2005, 08:59 PM
you may want to consider a draganov tiger,which are shorter and cheaper. ir

armoredman
July 30, 2005, 11:13 PM
Who has those?

PvtPyle
July 31, 2005, 01:58 AM
Uhhh, the Dragunov Tigers go for around $1700. How is that cheaper? If you want one though I can get you one...

slzy
July 31, 2005, 10:39 PM
fella's i did;nt know tigers had jumped up,or were that hard to find. i guess i am getting old or time is going faster,but i am sure at one time they were $670 or so in shotgun news. and the svd plastic fore ends and wooden svd stocks were available from numrich. that was probably around 1994.

PvtPyle
July 31, 2005, 10:57 PM
A decade later I was selling the plastic stocks for $350 a set, and the Tigers are $1500-1800ea and the real deal will fetch upwards of $5K.

Magnum88C
July 31, 2005, 11:09 PM
The last Tigr I saw was last year going for $1100, with a bubba'd scope and mount (not the original).

IIRC the Romak and Dragunov magazines are not interchangeable, and from what I hear the Romak is a step down in accuracy.

'Course I can't even find a Romak (woulkdn't mind having one myself, what with all the 7.62x54R I shoot) these days at any price.

PvtPyle
July 31, 2005, 11:37 PM
The mags are not the same, and the Romak is a considerable set down in accuracy. While you can still hit man sized targets out to 600m, it is by no means as accurate as the SVD with Match ammo. (keep in mind the dramatic differences between NATO and Warsaw sniping docturine)

But it is a really fun gun to shoot!

Magnum88C
August 1, 2005, 06:50 AM
Any idea where one can be found?

Also IIRC, they get issued with a pouch that carries four magazines, any idea where to get these and the magazines?

Silent-Snail
August 1, 2005, 09:24 AM
Slightlt OT but what are the differances between NATO and WP snipers?

TC66
August 1, 2005, 09:48 AM
I was wanting to purchase a Romak III also but changed my mind quickly when I got the chance to shoot one. First shot was somewhat accurate and all shots after that were either high, low, right or left by 6 inches or more. I know it was not the ammo, I was shooting it out of my M38 with iron sights and hitting an 8 inch steel disk at 200 yards. With the Romak III I could not hit a 10 inch steel disk at 200 yards. You better think about the Romak real seriously before you buy it. I think you will be dissappointed with the accuracy.

If you are serious about getting one you can try Southern Ohio Gun (http://www.southernohiogun.com/newproducts.html) . They have them with scope for $595 and without scope for $495.

Commissar Gribb
August 1, 2005, 01:35 PM
maybe someday- something to share ammo with my friend's mosin.

Magnum88C
August 1, 2005, 07:20 PM
Slightlt OT but what are the differances between NATO and WP snipers?

Our snipers go out in two-man teams to either hit a high-value target or to deny the enemy a piece of ground. They tend to operate in two-man teams for long periods of time, also gathering intelligence on enemy movements.

The Russian idea of a sniper is what we call a Designated Marksman. A soldier that carries an accurized, more powerful rifle than the average grunt. Their purpose being to hit high value targets (officers, radiomen, machine gunners, etc) during a regular infantry engagement.

Commissar Gribb
August 1, 2005, 08:15 PM
dont we do that to a limited extent with the M14?

The Grand Inquisitor
August 1, 2005, 10:16 PM
Commisar Shackleford - yes and no.


CCCP "snipers" were set out to take targets beyond 300 yard and up to 600-700 yards. The biggest difference in the two systems is that CCCP snipers were expected to be able to do their job much quicker, often from a sitting position. The idea is almost calvary raid-ish, in that they are expected to be fast enough not to be caught (especially in that they are no where near the enemy!) but can take out important targets without significant losses.

I suppose each philosophy has its advantages, but even though the NATO idea is "sexier" it is also far more trouble prone and open to problems.

I've posted about the subject in length on other threads if anyone wants to search them.

Magnum88C
August 1, 2005, 10:51 PM
dont we do that to a limited extent with the M14?


Yes, that's why I compared it to our Designated Marksman, who were, up until recently, only employed in Marine and Airborne units. The Army is fielding such soldiers in other units now, and the Marines and Airborne are continuing the use of DMs. It's a good concept and it works, it's just different from what we consider "snipers".

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