London a little strange?


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Cavalry
July 29, 2005, 10:06 PM
does anyone find what happened in the London a little strange? Last week a couple of “terrorist” try and blow themselfs up in the name of Islam and a week later they serenader to police without further cause, without a shot fired. Something is not right in London. anybody find this a little strange?

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Marshall
July 29, 2005, 10:34 PM
Guess they don't want to die by getting shot in their apartment. I'm sure they're as scared as anyone of that. The only reason the blow themselves up is for their own insane purpose on their own terms.

Guess it would be a b*tch to sleep shower and s**t with a bomb strapped to you all the time. :evil:

Kurush
July 29, 2005, 10:39 PM
From what I heard they had just been flashbanged and gassed. Hurting like that tends to turn the survival instinct way up.

beerslurpy
July 29, 2005, 11:02 PM
From what I can tell they basically just sprinted through the door with a ram and stunned the crap out of everyone. If you happened to be watching teletubbies, taking a crap or doing something other than sentry duty, your odds of fighting back wouldnt be too great.

If I was a terrorist in the UK right now, I would have a guy with a dead-man switched bomb by the door at all times, running in shifts. Or at least a really strong booby-trap or something.

Kurush
July 29, 2005, 11:20 PM
This is toooooo much. I don't know whether to laugh or puke.
In Dalgarno Gardens, officers were continually shouting at someone in a flat to come out. They were addressing him as "Muhammad", eyewitnesses said.

The police asked him: "What is the problem? Why can't you come out?

"Take your clothes off. Exit the building. Do you understand?"

One resident told BBC News 24 she was inside a block of flats on the estate at the time.

"They were shouting to him that he needed to come out with his arms up, in just his underwear.

'Almighty bang'

"He was saying to them: 'How do I know when I come out, that you're not going to shoot me? I'm scared'."

EDIT: here's the Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4727975.stm)

Iain
July 30, 2005, 07:00 AM
Why puke?

Don't imagine they wanted to go in and get blown up. The pictures I have seen show snipers on the streets and rooftops, they'd have shot him if it became necessary. Priority will have been taking them alive and interrogating them.

CAnnoneer
July 30, 2005, 07:28 AM
I would imagine terrorists need to psyche themselves up before they pull the cord. If you grab them at their basal level, they are probably not much different than the guy next door.

Peer pressure is another thing. I would imagine it is beneficial to their leaders to keep them working in small groups for mutual support among individuals. Nobody wants to appear lacking before his peers, so members of a small enclave always try to outdo each other. That's probably the basis of much of hooligan and petty gang violence, as well as the cohesion of small military squads.

Unless an individual is very well trained and/or quite psychotic, functioning as a lone bomber would be very unlikely. There just are severe human psychological penalties for dying alone or in the company of complete strangers. That is also why acts of extreme courage/audacity are generally performed in plain view of multiple friendlies - the prestige bonuses help offset the fear-of-injury penalties while the above penalties are not present.

To me, the above points explain why the same individual can be a ruthless lethal bomber in one situation and an apparent sissy in another. The other conclusion is that if I were the police, I would be looking for squads/cells, rather than individuals. :cool:

1 old 0311
July 30, 2005, 07:41 AM
Why did they give up? They found out the 72 virgin thing was wrong.....it should have read a 72 year hooker :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Kevin

Mongo the Mutterer
July 30, 2005, 07:58 AM
They figured the virgins all looked like Yassir Arafat :eek:

BTW, I don't get the "virgins" thing at all. No talent.

Maybe these guys simply don't get any. A 35 yr old hooker would makem turn their toes up...

They wouldn't have to blow up any innocent people either. :what:

Kurush
July 30, 2005, 10:26 AM
Why puke?

Don't imagine they wanted to go in and get blown up.I was talking about the poor frightened terrorist saying "I'm scared!"

XLMiguel
July 30, 2005, 10:28 AM
My guess is that without their handler to keep them pumped up and under control they revert to their natural state - gutless malcontent losers.

It's sad that they think they have so few prospects in life, but that's what makes them easy picking for the radical recruiters. They get sold on the notion that they can blame all their problems on western society and get revenge and glory blowing themsleves up for 'Islam', when if fact it is their own failure to adapt and apply themselves to the society they're in.

And unfortunately, there are too many lefties who see this crap as part of the 'white man's burden'.

CAnnoneer
July 30, 2005, 12:04 PM
+1 Mike

Note that many lefties themselves are not very successful or well-adjusted in life. The more they trumpet "evil white man" oppressing and frustrating the jihadist countries, the more they can internally justify why they are not successful themselves. It is not a coincidence that the worst students in college are also the most extreme leftists.

Otherguy Overby
July 30, 2005, 12:31 PM
In capitalism individuals do something for an end result or profit.

Now I know, in this case the "profit" (intentional spelling error) is a child molester, but let's make another step:

If uneducated, unwashed muslims chose to sacrifice themselves to gain 72 virgins they then intend to defile, isn't that some sort of capitalism?

However, when they achieve their goal, and then defile it, they then want to spend eternity with someone no longer of value to them?

Or: Virgins, 30% off! I, Muhamid have verified this...

Even my mother...

Logically they no longer believe in Islam: Verified virgins now 70 % off. IOW, my brother died for what will be your prophet...

justsurvivingincalifornia
July 31, 2005, 04:43 AM
No, it not strange because many terrorists do not want to die. They find someone not-so-smart that is willing die.

I the case of the resent bombings they are just told them to place them, push the button and get out of the vehicle. There was no timing device so the button detinated the bomb instantly. Note:These guys bought round trip tickets for a one way trip.

Atleast they used bomb that were too small to kill everyone in the vehicles attacked.

Also, Yassir Arafat was gay and died of HIV. Wonder what he would do to them when they get to heaven!

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