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landon74
July 31, 2005, 01:19 AM
On occasion I come across something extra stupid involving firearms on the internet, thought I'd share it with everyone....
56k warning, plus some salty language....

http://www.postcrap.com/media/video/07-05/bigouch.mov

How many stupid, unsafe things do you count in this video?

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Frandy
July 31, 2005, 01:24 AM
The level of immaturity is profound. None of them should be allowed to have firearms for a while.

One man's opinion.

Cesiumsponge
July 31, 2005, 01:36 AM
Cool, I learned from the Interweb that I should use concrete backstops at a perpendicular angle to myself to deflect bullets should they miss.

I also learned ballistic gel tests with test materials in front are not reliable tests. You can only depend on test materials draped over live human targets.







I'm all for the 2A, but I'm still under the strict opinion some people shouldn't breed or own firearms.

Flyboy
July 31, 2005, 02:14 AM
I'm all for the 2A, but I'm still under the strict opinion some people shouldn't breed or own firearms.
As I've said before, one of these problems will usually solve the other.

grimjaw
July 31, 2005, 02:28 AM
That's quite possibly one of the most Darwinian things I've ever seen, if you know what I mean.

Cesiumsponge, +1 for the breeding comment. Too bad he couldn't have rendered him sterile.

jmm

Cesiumsponge
July 31, 2005, 02:45 AM
As I've said before, one of these problems will usually solve the other.

Unfortunately, using a firearm to render oneself sterile or no longer of this planet can result in innocents getting hurt in the process of said stupidity.

...though it looks like everyone in that video was on the genetic ladder that lead to the septic tank.

Lennyjoe
July 31, 2005, 03:04 AM
Stupid is as stupid does.

Shorts
July 31, 2005, 03:14 AM
I am a harsh critic - (un?)fortunately no one was killed.

"Don't try this at home kids"? Yeah, they were such brave men and experiemced adults :rolleyes:

MechAg94
July 31, 2005, 03:19 AM
Who do you know who you would trust to shoot you? I don't think I would trust myself to do that.

IZinterrogator
July 31, 2005, 03:21 AM
I have now realized why government encroachment on most aspects of our lives is extremely undesirable. Thanks to government health care, safety laws, and other extraneous junk that we have foisted upon us, stupid people are living longer, which allows them more than ample time to breed, thereby passing their moron genes to more generations. This ultimately lowers the intelligence quotient of mankind as a whole and will eventually dumb down society to a level where total government intrusion is necessary since most folks won't have the common sense necessary to take care of themselves. :banghead:

Other people's kids, I tell ya... :cuss:

Feanaro
July 31, 2005, 03:36 AM
Sometimes, despite myself, I think "You know, there should be a law..."

I don't like that thinking but cripes, this is... stupid. The macho-CS intro, shooting with no hearing protection other than their hands, lack of a decent backstop, SHOOTING A PERSON! It could have been worse by far but... *sigh*. How some people breath and walk at the same time is beyond me. :banghead:

I am not too surprised, however. A bunch of teenaged males gathered together, most are bound to be irresponsible, some stupid. I'm a member of the teenage male class, and no paragon of virtue, but... I wouldn't shoot at another person wearing a level IV trauma plate and plate mail! (Unless he was a criminal threatening life and limb. Though, wearing all that, I'd almost be willing to give him a few 20s just for his effort.)

mrbill
July 31, 2005, 04:26 AM
wow! not sure where to start on this one. a bullet resistant vest should be used as a means of protection in the event of a shtf scenario. they should NOT be used for entertainment purposes for a myriad of reasons.

bogie
July 31, 2005, 04:29 AM
What really freaks me out is....

Did they KNOW it was a bulletproof vest?

There's so much crap I've seen at gun shows... Low bidder flak vests, etc... If it had been less than a stelllar performer, well.... Can anyone say "arraignment?"

FUBlue
July 31, 2005, 04:48 AM
I could be wrong, but that did look like just a flak jac to me. That was alot of backface signature and resulting wound from a .22! :what:

I have fired some hot .22 rounds, from a rifle, at a mere 1/8 inch stack (or less) of aramid fibers taken from a soft trauma "plate". The immediate backstop was sheetrock. The round was stopped and the impact left barely a dimple in the wallboard.

Hopefully those kids have chosen to remain virgins for the rest of thier (probably SHORT) lives.

silverlance
July 31, 2005, 05:01 AM
comments on the general bad ideaness of the whole affair aside.... i did enjoy watching it. i've always wondered if a flak vest would stop even a .22... i was always of the persuasion that it wouldn't stop anything stronger than flying glass or, well, flak.

that even a .22 (hp, at that) left such a wound suggests that a flak vest is terrible choice of protection. then again, it also proves my sgt's belief that having a flak vest in teh back of his car provides SOME protection.

that said, if it was my kid i'd spank him silly. course, here in ca everyone gets all riled up about "child abuse"....

chris in va
July 31, 2005, 05:27 AM
Looks like a paintball bruise...x3.

GW
July 31, 2005, 05:37 AM
Don't they make you feel good about America's future? :uhoh:

FUBlue
July 31, 2005, 05:44 AM
Paintball. Ouch!!!
I thought I had some bad ones as a teen when I played with a friend...
The REAL PAIN and 8" round bloody bruising on the inside of my thigh came from multiple well-placed shots from a barricaded firearms instructor. Cover and concealment course??? There was no cover! :eek:
Padded suits are useless when they aim for where the plates meet together! :banghead:
I'll never forget it- inner thigh, armpits, knuckles and backs of hands. All purple and black... I wish I had the pictures :fire: :D

Matthew748
July 31, 2005, 07:53 AM
Idiots like that give us all a black eye. Don’t they realize that footage like that just gives the gun grabbers more ammunition? Hopefully they will change their ways before one of them gets seriously hurt or killed. I don’t really care about them, it is the potential media backlash that worries me.

armoredman
July 31, 2005, 11:19 AM
Kids this stupid don't care about anyone but themselves. political effect, fallout on others, no worries, not us, who cares? A flak vest against a pistol bullet? Inconcievably stupid. I can only hope they never breed...

SASS#23149
July 31, 2005, 11:55 AM
of the southern family outing.Even the youngsters were rocking and rolling. :D
The iditots in the first clip could sure take lessons from the Southern kids.sheesh.

XLMiguel
July 31, 2005, 12:01 PM
Why videotape your participation is stupid events? It'll be useful evidence at your trial, perhaps saving the rest of us taxpayers some money by shortening the proceedings.

Merde! Scratch that, it'll also has the need for us taxpayers to warehouse your sorry @$$ or pay for your treatment :barf:

Paging Mr. Darwin. Paging Mr. Darwin.

boofus
July 31, 2005, 12:48 PM
They should have tried that stunt with the AR-15. :evil:

GunGoBoom
July 31, 2005, 01:57 PM
I have to say, that when I was 15, I can definitely definitely see me and my buddies and brother's buddies doing this, had we had a vest. We did some quite similar "Jackass" type things. I would have been the one wearing it getting shot for sure - I was 'adventuresome' that way. So take hope; the future is not lost; I am a *very* responsible shooter and citizen now, thankfully.

Justin
July 31, 2005, 02:11 PM
I find it quite telling that no one involved seems to know how to properly fire a pistol nor handle a video camera.

raghorn
July 31, 2005, 02:17 PM
We had a local occurrence (http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2004/12/16/news/news2.txt) of this phenomenon awhile back.

*Edited due to use a better news link.

Sportcat
July 31, 2005, 07:20 PM
IDIOTS!

roo_ster
July 31, 2005, 07:47 PM
Stupid people don't know they're stupid.

I provide the aforelinked video as Exhibit #1.

HighVelocity
July 31, 2005, 07:57 PM
The last four words an idiot says before he does something that causes his demise.....

Hey y'all watch this!

Tom Servo
August 1, 2005, 02:16 AM
When it got to the "Human Test" part, I cringed.

This is just...just...I don't know.

WolfDog
August 1, 2005, 01:42 PM
It is t6hings like this that make me really wish that stupidity was painful. Maybe then some of these moronic wastes of oxygen would at least think once before they did something this completely and utterly irresponsible.

The truly scary part is the lack of parental control it takes to create such idiots.

lysander
August 1, 2005, 05:23 PM
I try to have faith. I try very hard to believe that, on the whole, man is capable of ascending to a rung higher than the one he collectively occupies at the moment....but then....I see this....and I think that I should have my vas defrens twisted in a knot so I won't have kids that share schools and jobs with cretins like this. :banghead:

LiquidTension
August 2, 2005, 03:15 AM
You guys can yell "idiot" all you want, but I clearly recall seeing the manufacturer of a bullet proof vest shoot himself with a much larger caliber pistol. It was a revolver, can't remember if it was a .38 or something larger. He shot himself, then picked up another firearm and ran through a shooting course. I think you guys are just yelling "idiot" because the guys involved were young. I don't recall a whole lot of whining when the other video was posted. I'm not doing a search for it, but I know I'm not the only one to have seen the footage I'm talking about. Come to think of it, it might have been on tv or on TFL.

As far I can tell, the dumbest thing they did was to shoot up the vest before putting it on, thereby compromising the integrity of it. That said, I wouldn't let those guys shoot me :rolleyes:

Cesiumsponge
August 2, 2005, 03:35 AM
I think you guys are just yelling "idiot" because the guys involved were young. I don't recall a whole lot of whining when the other video was posted.

I wasn't around for this video or missed it entirely. Show it to me, and I will whine too. :neener:

Granted, if the manufactuer did it, the guy has faith in his product and took an ultimate risk to prove a point. I guess it would be equivalent to a guy sitting in a vehicle while it's getting crash tested instead of using a dummy. However, these kids did it on the pure notion of fun with some iffy product they probably picked up at discount from the milsurp store.

I wouldn't let anyone willingly shoot at me while wearing any type of vest or protection level, period.

Taurus 66
August 2, 2005, 03:52 AM
Who anywhere has a bullet "proof" vest?? Did all of you mean bullet "resistant" body armor? There's no such thing as any one vest capable of repelling all.

LiquidTension
August 2, 2005, 03:57 AM
The video I'm thinking of was a manufacturer demonstration. I've also seen Johnny Knoxville do it with a .38, but that guy's not right in the head. As I said before, I wouldn't let those guys shoot me.

Victor Romen
August 2, 2005, 04:10 AM
LiquidTension,

I don't mean to flame you, but you are comparing apples and oranges. The video you speak of was done by the owner of Second Chance and he (hopefully) knows his product pretty well as he designed and tested it. What these kids were doing was nuts. They were using a flak jacket (PASGT) that was not designed for firearms. There is a reason that PASGT armor is not seen much anymore in use by front line troops.

Victor

Joejojoba111
August 2, 2005, 04:45 AM
Matthew748

"Idiots like that give us all a black eye. Donít they realize that footage like that just gives the gun grabbers more ammunition? Hopefully they will change their ways before one of them gets seriously hurt or killed. I donít really care about them, it is the potential media backlash that worries me."


armoredman

"Kids this stupid don't care about anyone but themselves. political effect, fallout on others, no worries, not us, who cares? A flak vest against a pistol bullet? Inconcievably stupid. I can only hope they never breed..."


Ah what a bunch of socialists. All trying to curb everyone else's rights for your own benefit and all. ;)


" Feanaro
Sometimes, despite myself, I think "You know, there should be a law...""

-Now you know how the other side thinks.


Just a humble opinion, but it's none of our business. Actual legal issues aside, I remember a dictum whereby you can stretch your arms as far as you like so long as they don't hit anyone. Well they aren't bothering me, no-one is being forced to watch that video, and I don't care what you think of their actions. The point is that this is a test of how 'liberal' you really are - do people have the right to do this?

Also, I'm pretty sure it's actually technically illegal to intently point firearms at individuals in some places, let alone shoot them. But that detracts from my point that the core ideology of America used to be Mind Your Own Business.

Feanaro
August 2, 2005, 12:47 PM
Actual legal issues aside, I remember a dictum whereby you can stretch your arms as far as you like so long as they don't hit anyone.

And doesn't that apply to us as well? Can we not stretch our tongues, long as we don't poke any eyes out? ;) They are certainly welcome to do that sort of thing, s'long as the only people hurt are willing participants. And I am free to call 'em stupid for it if they post a video up on the internet, which they have.

pezo
August 2, 2005, 01:30 PM
That was very stupid of them to do. My lord what kind of a..hole parents raise their kids to be this damn ignorant. Not to sound non compasionite but if the bullet went thru and killed the young guy I couldnt feel like it would have been a huge loss, assuming ignorance breeds. It would have been a hard lesson.

lysander
August 2, 2005, 02:29 PM
Joejojoba111 - Touche my good man!!! :D I went back and read my post and realized that my knee jerk reaction does come off sounding a bit socialist. :uhoh: You are 100% spot on. Why should we care what these kids do? They have the right to be stupid and put themselves in harm's way if they choose. Yes, it negatively impacts the perception the general public might have about gun owners, but a person who truely respects liberty has to accept that some people will do the "wrong" thing when given the latitude.

I have reversed the decision to tie my vas defrens in a knot....instead I will raise my kids to be smarter than those in the video...

mack69
August 2, 2005, 03:36 PM
HEY!!! MR LIFEGUARD!!! WE NEED SOME MORE CHLORINE IN THE GENE POOL!....HURRRY!!!! :what:

LiquidTension
August 2, 2005, 04:03 PM
Victor - I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw that video, I was beginning to think I was crazy :uhoh: I didn't realize that they were using a flak jacket, so yeah - now I'll fall in line with the rest in calling these guys idiots.

Too Many Choices!?
August 2, 2005, 04:13 PM
Pain is the best teacher :)

Sistema1927
August 2, 2005, 06:38 PM
Some idiots are beyond proof.

Joejojoba111
August 2, 2005, 07:02 PM
Yea, it's dumb, but it'd be wrong to let anticipated media reaction bully people around.

Ironically I've heard this story before too, but in the news a couple years ago they wore a flak vest with a phone book under the front, and they progressed upwards from .22s to a shotgun... :eek:

Nothing to be done about it but nail your kid's foot to the floor if he starts hanging out with the wrong people!

warthog_62
August 2, 2005, 09:57 PM
I remember that video. It was the guy that owned Second Chance and he used a fairly large caliber IIRC a .44 mag and had a phonebook between his chest and the armor.

Those kids, just plain stupid.

hifi
August 3, 2005, 02:36 AM
Was he wearing the vest when the dude shot him with the .22? I couldn't tell for sure.

Isn't there a guy that tests his bulletproof vests by shooting himself with magnums? I saw that on Ripley's. I think he's been shot hundreds of times or something.

Snookay
August 3, 2005, 12:09 PM
Yes those "kids" were stupid. I also thought it was stupid to be shooting at a wall like that because of ricochets but I was uncertain about that until someone else posted was i was thinking. I was going to laugh my ass off if when the bullet went through the vest OR the kid was shot in the arm, shoulder etc. Funny how they used the smallest gun they had for the "human test" bunch of punks.


what i really want to know is... Whats the name of that song that was playing?? or just who sings it.

HIFI ~ i saw that same thing. He needed to do it, they kids didnt. He was proving that his vest, which looked like foam insulator, would hold up against a badass gun shot. GREAT selling strategy in my opinion. Did u see how his vest folded up and was super flexible? i thought he was going to shoot striaght through it.

meathammer
August 3, 2005, 12:55 PM
Ahhh, kids. Reminds me of my younger days, having wrist rocket fights with acorns - stupid yes, but this takes the cake.

Judging by the bruise the .22LR left, I'm guessing a .22 Magnum would have meant a trip to the hospital.

The shootee was probably also lucky that was a hollow point and most likely came apart in the vest. Do you think a solid may have made it through? :uhoh:


--meathammer

Dionysusigma
August 4, 2005, 03:15 AM
Only time I would ever volunteer being shot at is if I'm wearing Level IV and the round is a .22 Colibri.

Fired by Carlos Hathcock.

From seven miles away.

Behind a rock.

toivo
August 4, 2005, 03:39 AM
You know that if anyone had been seriously hurt they would've been screaming bloody murder and probably would've tried to sue the manufacturer of the vest, gun, ammo, or all of the above. I'm sorry, but people are getting dumber all the time. The more you try to protect them from themselves, the more danger they'll find to put themselves into. I think it comes from a life without purpose and without consequences. People who have to struggle to survive don't have time for idiotic garbage like this.

Echo Tango
August 4, 2005, 04:27 AM
Judging by the bruise the .22LR left, I'm guessing a .22 Magnum would have meant a trip to the hospital.

The shootee was probably also lucky that was a hollow point and most likely came apart in the vest. Do you think a solid may have made it through?

I can garuntee you the only thing that saved him was the fact that bullet was a hollow point and came apart in the vest. The vest in question is a Gen2 "Body Armor, Fragmentation Protective Vest" its basically rated to stop shell and grenade fragments not much more then that. It has no plates in it and generally they can be gotten at various army surplus stores because the US Military has determined they have passed their serivicable use. Granted kevlar is kevlar, but we all know that Aramid fibers used in kevlar lose effectiveness once they have been shot, and they shot that vest quite a few times before they under went the human test. This makes the attempt even more stupid then simply relying on surplus military gear,they just got real lucky.

New vests come with ceramic plates in them specifically designed to stop rifle/pistol rounds(rated to 7.62x39 go figure), but this model they were wearing was just crazy. The .22 ball doesnt dump a bunch of energy, and scientifically is rated as a Lvl I threat but certainly produces enough energy to penatrate a Gen2 Fragmentation Vest. I will pump out some numbers tommarow joules/psi and fabric ratings and such if your interested suffice to say these cats got lucky and its not a trick I would suggest they duplicate.

Byron Quick
August 4, 2005, 07:05 AM
I think that all of them should get one and then simultaneously volunteer to be shot with a .44 Mag. .44 that's only twice a .22...no problem.

There is a big difference between a bullet resistant vest manufacturer and designer who is also knowledgeable about firearms testing one of his vests...and what these bozos did.

only1asterisk
August 4, 2005, 07:19 AM
I have a better idea: Box of Truth style testing.

Line them up front to back and see how many it takes to stop a 30-06. Here shortly, I'll have an unlimited supply of young idiots I would to donate. We could test lots of ammo.

David

Hydguy
August 4, 2005, 10:37 AM
Snookay, the singer in Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails. Not sure which song.

Having worked in a gun store for the last 3 years, I have come to the conclusion that way too many idiots own guns.

Not saying that they should be banned, or regulated, but damn, the idiots make a strong case for it.

I wouldn't let someone shoot me with a capgun while wearing my Force One IIIA vest.

I can see where these kids got their misguided bravdo from though, IRT the vest. The flack vest is actually quite thick, but it is not a bullet resistant vest by any means.

That kid got lucky as hell.

DelayedReaction
August 4, 2005, 10:53 AM
I thought their trigger control while they "geared up" was pretty reasonable. Then I saw the backstop, the "hearing protection", and then... the Human Test...

Wow.

It's safe to say that people have a right to be idiots, and no law would have prevented them from doing that. I just hope that eventually that video gets around to someone who recognizes the participants.

Red Dragon
August 4, 2005, 10:08 PM
The blatent disregard for any safety and firearms handling is near sickening. Idiots isn't a strong enough name for these kids. F'ing Morons would maybe be a start. Part of the problem is the inaccurate portrayal of things such as "bulletproof" vests in movies. Kids see some guy take a .50 AE round in center mass while wearing a soft armor vest, and the guy just gets back up and keeps going like he had some sort of forcefield, and kids think thats how it is. They can't seem to comprehend the fact that the kinetic energy has to go somewhere.
At least some movies are starting to show a more realistic version of what happens when you get shot in the chest while wearing a protective vest (i.e. broken or bruised ribs, getting the wind knocked out of you. etc)

That and its amazing how many people don't truely understand that there's really no such thing as a bullet "Proof" vest. People hear that and think it is just that. A magical vest that no bullets can penetrate, regardless of caliber, velocity, etc. Let's just hope these kids end up eating lead based paint chips or something so they don't hang around long enough to spread their stupidity.

hillbilly
August 5, 2005, 12:22 AM
I finally saw the video today.

Everyone involved with making this video should be trussed up like hogs and run over repeatedly with a steamroller.

Quick! Take them out before they reproduce!!!!

hillbilly

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