A view from Canada on U.S. gun control


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cuchulainn
August 3, 2005, 02:42 PM
sniff sniff, I smell a trend (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=149977).

from the Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050802.wguns0802/BNStory/National/?query=gun+control

Crackdown on Illegal Arms Urged in Ontario

By UNNATI GANDHI
Tuesday, August 2, 2005 Updated at 12:43 PM EDT
Globe and Mail Update

Ontario Progressive Conservative leader John Tory is calling on his political counterparts to join him in a crackdown on illegal guns and those who use them in response to this weekend's six shootings in Toronto, three of which were fatal.

Mr. Tory said Monday that provincial and city leaders must come together to convince the federal government that stricter security at borders and tougher minimum sentences could be part of the solution.

"It's time for Ontario and Canada to close the border to illegal guns," he said.

"Police officials say this week's outbreak of violence was completely random. That means too many guns in the hands of too many people."

Aside from the three gun-related homicides last weekend, the week prior featured six separate shootings in the Toronto area on Monday and an execution-style killing in broad daylight in Mississauga last Tuesday.

Mr. Tory is calling on Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty to join with him and other leaders such as Mayor Miller in a non-partisan approach to fixing this "escalating problem."

"The status quo is not an option. We need to send a strong message to people who bring guns into our country or even think about using them for criminal purposes."

The Premier was not available for comment Tuesday, but a spokesman said Mr. McGuinty had met with the Canadian ambassador to the United States, Frank McKenna, last Wednesday and raised the issue of gun control.

"The issue of guns from across the border was discussed, in the context of keeping the border open to trade but closed to criminal activity and guns from the south," Chris Morley said.

A spokesman for Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services Monte Kwinter said there are several programs already in place with the federal government to prevent gun-related crimes from occurring.

"Attorney General [Michael Bryant] has set up an anti-gun and -gang unit that's made up of senior police with experience and expert knowledge. Similarly, a crown prosecutor has been assigned to work full time with the Toronto gun task force," said Andrew Hilton.

The Canadian Border Services Agency says more than 5,400 illegal firearms were seized in the past five years from people trying to smuggle them in from the United States.

According to a recent report by the Criminal Intelligence Service Canada, there is no way to accurately estimate the scope of the illegal firearms market in Canada.

The report also says organized crime groups are heavily involved in the illegal gun trade, and highlights the easy availability of weapons in many U.S. states.

In the past, Mr. Miller has cited numbers from the Toronto Police saying half the guns used in crimes on the streets of Toronto come from the United States, many of which are smuggled across the border.

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boofus
August 3, 2005, 02:48 PM
Suuuure. Criminals are getting guns in the evil bad US of A. Bad guys are sneaking across the borders to buy $700 Colts and $800 Heckler & Koch pistols to commit crimes with. While ignoring the $300 Norinco M1911 and P226 copies that are completely legal for sale in Canada.

Hell, Canada has a better selection of firearms than we do here in the states. I would love to be able to get one of these Swiss Arms PE90's
http://www.slendebroek.nl/assets/images/PE90.jpg

Or those Norinco M14 knockoffs. Both of which are banned from importation in the US.

scubie02
August 3, 2005, 03:29 PM
the fact that mexico and canada are both suddently harping on how "something has to be done about guns in the US" is disturbing and ominous if you ask me...a possible strategy for a president to unilaterally make a "treaty" with foreign powers to do away with these guns based on international reasons?

Rockstar
August 3, 2005, 03:33 PM
Mexico...bananna republic; Canada...subjects of the Crown, for too long.

El Tejon
August 3, 2005, 03:45 PM
Remember, there is absolutely no coorindation in the media to tell us "the news." :scrutiny:

Henry Bowman
August 3, 2005, 04:13 PM
"Police officials say this week's outbreak of violence was completely random. That means too many guns in the hands of too many people." Is that what that means? Guess it has something to do with th translation from French to English. :rolleyes:

Waitone
August 3, 2005, 04:14 PM
Does the volume of illegal arms include those arms Canadian subjects simply refused to surrender?

Nah, didn't think so.

Baba Louie
August 3, 2005, 04:16 PM
If the Canadians would only register all of their firearms these sort of evil act(s) by ner-do-wells would never occur, right?
Or are these evil-doers getting all their guns from VA?

Lucky
August 3, 2005, 04:20 PM
Maybe it's bad news for Americans, though I'm slightly confused as to how. But it's good news for Canadians because the entire premise is that it's criminals commiting crimes with illegal firearms, and not once is registration or tougher laws for law-abiding citizens mentioned.

So yea, as long as they aren't passing new laws or making new taxes or limiting magazine capacities to 3 rounds it's almost a victory.

I've seen too many Us articles where 'stricter regulation' of 'assault weapons' is required because of what criminals do. It's kind of good to see a clear distinction between civilian ownership and criminal use. It's great actually, they never even mention civilian ownership, it's all about criminal use.

hkOrion
August 3, 2005, 04:22 PM
a possible strategy for a president to unilaterally make a "treaty" with foreign powers

a worthly 'last act' of the presidency.

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