Anybody here have experience as a security guard?


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MitchSchaft
March 23, 2003, 03:57 PM
The economy in my area is to the point where nobody wants to hire in the IT field. I'm thinking about looking into the security guard field as they are hiring with halfway decent pay. I also thought I could make use of my carry permit by being an armed security guard for a few more dollars/hr.
Does anybody here have experience being a security guard? What kind of stories can you tell me? I would also like to hear any advise.

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MitchSchaft
March 23, 2003, 03:58 PM
Check out what I found by searching Google: http://www.philthesecurityguard.com/LifeInTheGuard.html . Stories about being a security guard :neener:.

geegee
March 23, 2003, 04:33 PM
I worked as a security guard for Brinks, while in college in Ottawa, Ontario during the mid '70's. It was a great job for a student-very flexible hours (they almost always needed someone at some hour of the day or night), pay was ok, and I met a lot of bank tellers ;) . It was considered extremely safe in Ottawa, until one of our crews had a guard murdered. Mo Prudhomme was a very friendly, young father who was killed by a shotgun blast, for no reason at all. Like most guards, he would have gladly handed over the dough.

There was also an incident in 1976 when there was a big robbery in Montreal. The Brinks truck driver was reading his morning paper, while parked in the rear of a bank. A delivery van pulled up in front of the truck (while the crew was downstairs getting the morning delivery of deposits), and when the driver heard a rap on the window, he was instructed to look ahead at the van. When he did, he saw the doors open and a .50 cal. machine gun mounted in the van , pointed at him. :what: Being a military veteran, he realized what that gun could do to an armored truck, so complied with the request to get out and wait for the rest of the crew. When they returned, the robbery took place.

AFAIK, the money has never been returned. Aside from these stories, however the job was pretty routine. geegee

e5c03
March 23, 2003, 05:48 PM
Hey if you wanna change careers to security try somthing worth it like Border Patrol,,secret service,ins,,,,,,:confused:

bobs1066
March 23, 2003, 06:08 PM
For a couple of summers back in the 70's, I was a security guard at a chicken-processing plant. They had one ancient S&W Model 10 revolver with only 5 rounds. Yup, you guessed it, some previous guard had accidentally fired off a shot in the guard shack & the company wouldn't hand out another round.

It was pretty quite, nobody tried to steal the parking lot as while I was on duty.

VaughnT
March 23, 2003, 06:16 PM
If you get on with a good company, it can be fun. I work for an armored car company and enjoy going to work in the morning, which is about all you can ask for.

One option, if you can make the cut, is nuclear security. If you have a power-station around you, it's very good money and some serious training. Making the grade is very difficult and turnover is low.

Pinkerton and Brinks seem to be the biggest companies out there.

Quartus
March 23, 2003, 06:27 PM
BTDT, late 70's, early 80's. As noted above, mostly routine and BOOOOORRRRRRRRING!

I've 'guarded' a Nabisco plant where they made Nilla Vanilla wafers, another place that made Listerine and various chewing gums (I know, strange combo), various small factories, an apartment complex (weird stuff went on there...) and generally, an odd assortment of businesses. And one stint on anti-union duty at a grocery store during a strike, where I engaged in a high speed (foot) pursuit of a shoplifter. Poor girl! I was doing 10 miles a day at that time, in close to world class times. She & her boyfriend were near heart attacks, and I hadn't started breathing yet. :D


Anyway, the pay depends on the work. Guarding money brings more pay and more danger. Most of the guards fall into three categories:

[list=1]
Students. 'Nuff said.
Retired folks. It's a little extra money.
Wannabees. Couldn't make the cut to be a real cop.
[/list=1]

Stay farrrrrrrr away from this last group! The retirees run the gamut from "How do you get your gunbelt on while holding your oxygen tank?" to recently retired cops or military.

There are some decent people, but in general, it is not a highly respected job, for good reason.


But it can be an adequate port in a stormy economy. If it works for you financially, do it while you look for better options. It's a pretty dead end job, unless you go into management. Then you'll spend your time dealing with people who don't show up for their shift!

David
March 23, 2003, 07:06 PM
My friend, the recently retired LEO, when he moves to Florida will be looking for an armed security job.

He is interested in working for a government security contractor.

Does anyone know of any companies he can contact for a
Florida-based government contractor security position?

Thanks...

:D :D :D

BamBam
March 23, 2003, 07:36 PM
Mitch,
Let me know if you want me to check with a couple of armored car companies that I install ATMs for.
I can also check with The Med about being on their security staff.
Not sure if either is hiring but it don't hurt to ask.

BamBam

PS: Meant to talk to you after the TFA meeting Thursday but didn't catch you before you left.

MitchSchaft
March 23, 2003, 07:39 PM
I'm a little hesitant about the armored car idea. Seems like too much of a risk for me. I hear Imperial Security was hiring from a friend. I plan to get some info from them.

I do tend to run out of those TFA meetings pretty quickly. Mainly cause the wife is home waiting and dinner is ready :neener:.

MitchSchaft
March 23, 2003, 07:43 PM
if you wanna change careers to security try somthing worth it like Border Patrol,,secret service,ins,,,,,,



I'm not looking for a career change. I want to try something different until the economy picsk back up and I finish my degree. The jobs mentioned above require a lot of college education.(maybe accept border patrol, but I live in Memphis. I don't think we have that big of a problem with Arkansas:uhoh:)

Anyway, the pay depends on the work. Guarding money brings more pay and more danger. Most of the guards fall into three categories:




1. Students. 'Nuff said.


I don't know if I should take offense to that. :scrutiny:

Quartus
March 23, 2003, 08:00 PM
One option, if you can make the cut, is nuclear security. If you have a power-station around you, it's very good money and some serious training.


Yup. Really, that's the only good money in security guard work, AFAIK. Got offered that, but wasn't interested in a career change. Just wanted to pay some bills while in school.

26point2
March 23, 2003, 09:55 PM
Wasn't this the way the Mall Ninja thread was started???

blades67
March 23, 2003, 10:09 PM
Well don't let it get started again!:eek:

Quartus
March 23, 2003, 10:51 PM
I don't know if I should take offense to that.


Nope. You definitely should not. That's the category I was in when I worked security. By "Nuff said" I just meant that the category is pretty self explanatory. It's a good job for students because it can be worked around school hours, and a sitting post will usually let you get some studying done. I read many a textbook while sitting behind a desk in the wee hours at some factory or office.

Well, okay, they wern't all textbooks. There were some gun magazines in there, too. :D

Hey, these days, with a laptop you can even write some papers!


If it will pay your bills while you finish a degree, it might just be the ticket for you. http://www.thehighroad.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

26point2
March 23, 2003, 11:14 PM
Very good Quartus...if it gets you to where you want to be...then do it...

C

AQUAJOE
March 23, 2003, 11:16 PM
Sure I lock my doors at my houseand my cars doors.:D

Quartus
March 23, 2003, 11:44 PM
Mitch, I just read that Phil's Guard page. Sounds like it hasn't changed much since I did the work. If you use it as a stepping stone, it's fine, but I think you've got enough info here to keep you from regarding it as a rewarding lifelong career.

VaughnT
March 24, 2003, 07:49 AM
I'm really sad to see that so many people look down on security as a profession. Admittedly, there are a lot of wannabe's in our industry, but where aren't there imbeciles and fools?

As with anything else, you have to make the most of it. Looking at your needs, I can tell you that armored car work isn't the thing for you because it won't mesh with your school schedule. I make really good money doing it, but it is a "real" job with a day-time schedule.

I think you have to look beyond your coworkers if you want to make this work. It's not about how sharp they are or how well they do their jobs. Just focus on your performance and go home knowing that you did the best you could that day. If, at the end of your shift, you can honestly say that you gave solid day's work, what more can you ask?

After four years in the armored car world, I would love to move on to nuclear security and the better pay/training that comes with it. However, I don't know anyone on the inside that might be able to make introductions with those doing the hiring.

I enjoy my job, hate to take a sick-day like I did yesterday, and look forward to putting my best foot forward. If I ever get a chance at NucSec, I'll take it. But until then, I will give my best where I'm at.

Ala Dan
March 24, 2003, 01:07 PM
Hey Mitch,

Don't forget The Wackenhut Corp.; owned by
some former FBI agent's out of Florida. This company
is world-wide; and here in central DixieLand, offers a
competitive salary! I think they start CPO's (Custom
Protection Officers) out at $10.60 @ hour? This is for
armed personel only; and to qualify you must have
previous experience as a LEO, MP*, or Corrections
Officer. After satisfactorily completing one week of
AIT (Advanced Individual Training) you will get your
own Wackenhut dipolma; a certificate worthy of
adding to any LEO/SECURITY portfolio!

*FootNote: actually, I think they will accept any
prior military MOS; so long as you have a clean
record and a honorable discharge?

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Quartus
March 24, 2003, 01:47 PM
owned by some former FBI agent's out of Florida.


Don't let that fool you. I'm very familiar with Wackenhut. They're no different than any other guard company. The margins are VERY slim in this business, so the pay isn't great and the majority of the people in it are Not Ready For Prime Time.

There certainly are A Few Good Men to be found, but you gotta look for 'em!

chadintex
March 24, 2003, 01:51 PM
Go downtown to the big high rise buildings and try for something in house. Contract security jobs suck, they will put you in the worst part of town with no communication equipment, no back up and no way of protecting yourself, at least that was my experience. In house usually pays more and provides better training. I've been doing it for 7 years now and I love it.

Ala Dan
March 24, 2003, 06:12 PM
If you don't like Wackenhut; then try the unarmed
post's of Guardsmark, out of your hometown of
Memphis TN! I've been told that the pay and training
won't hold a light to Wackenhut!:uhoh:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Mastrogiacomo
March 24, 2003, 06:22 PM
B.A. in English
M.Ed. in Education for Teaching English
CTEFL - teach English abroad
Five month training at a computer school -- can't find work.
Can't even find work in armed security with Brinks because my learning disability in math -- won't affect the job but can't pass the damn pre-employment test math component. Looking to get into bartending. an't get armed security job without experience and can't get experience without work. Just tried adult video stores today -- even they're not hiring.:scrutiny: How much more embarrassing can my life get?:what:

MitchSchaft
March 24, 2003, 06:38 PM
I hear ya, Mastro. I'm lucky enough to have a job that I can pretty much come and go as I please as a cook in a local restaurant. I can't get enough hours, though, and the pay is no good. My wife is pulling her hair out over it. I've heard the security business is still growing. Unarmed security guard work is probably out of the question. They start out at around $7-$8/hr here. That's less than I make now. Armed guards start at around $10-$11/hr and that is closer to living comfortable @ 40 hrs/wk.
Thanks for that tip, Dan. The problem is I don't have Leo/military experience.
I understand people's feelings toward security guards. But, I'm not too proud. Especially when it comes to keeping the wife at bay and food in the kid's mouth :).
This is just a possability I'm looking into since the economy doesn't want to pick up.

Quartus
March 24, 2003, 07:03 PM
But, I'm not too proud.


Hey, it's honest work, Mitch. Nothing to be ashamed of. I'd not hesitate to do it again if things were different in my life.


I'm just don't want you to have any illusions about it.

MitchSchaft
March 24, 2003, 07:19 PM
Honestly, I envision it as being very boring. I wouldn't mind the experience to see what it's like and to say I've "been there, done that".

Mastrogiacomo
March 24, 2003, 09:56 PM
I did it for a while, a gallery guard at the Musuem of Fine Arts in Boston. After two months, they fired me for not disclosing my "visual problem." I initially complained about the low lighting (it's that way to protect the art, I didn't know). One of the guards said if I wear glasses, keep them on when I work. I did and problem solved. Now I wouldn't have been surprised to be fired for my hearing loss but because of my God damn eye glasses? I'm near sighted, not a big issue. They were doing work on the museum and I think they were really over budget and had to make some jobs seasonal but needed an excuse to let them go. People have told me I should have sued but for what - the right to stand for 21 hours? I couldn't sit, read, write, or talk to anyone. It was killing my hips and I'm too young for hip trouble. I think you may have to do unarmed for a while to get in -- then bail when you see an armed opportunity. I know it's a growing industry but I'm shocked to hear from employers they don't have as much need for armed anymore -- you'd think it'd double in these times.

VaughnT
March 24, 2003, 10:04 PM
One of the problems is that insurance is soooo high for a company providing armed security. In order to minimize insurance premiums, they have to do x hours of training/certification and that drives up the costs even more.

Like cops, a good percentage of the people in this industry don't have any interest in guns or shooting or security. They're just looking for a paycheck.

If you're different, great. If not, take the work and be glad you have money coming in. Personally, I can't think of anything I'd rather do.

Mastrogiacomo
March 24, 2003, 10:31 PM
Hey, I got no problem with a paycheck. I walked into an adult video store asking for work didn't I? Not an easy thing for a woman to do...maybe a man too, I really don't know. It may be boring work but some security companies will let you read.... and sit. Can't beat the combination. :D

Quartus
March 24, 2003, 11:13 PM
let you read.... and sit. Can't beat the combination.


I'll second that! :D



Hmmm. I suspect that with a few more guys like Vaughn the industry could earn some respect.

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Ala Dan
March 24, 2003, 11:46 PM
Greeting's Again Mitch My Friend-

Mitch, have you thought about armed hospital
security* work? Check to see if any hospital's in your
area employ their own security officer's? I don't think
I would recommend an unarmed hospital security
post to anyone; simply because you have to deal
with many drug addict's, idiot's, and crazy person's!
My new** job is as a Special Advisor Of Protective
Services for a major medical firm here in the old'
Bombingham, AL area. When I came on board,
they knew absolutely nothing about security!!!
Believe me, I have saved their bacon a countless
number of times. Example: their record keeping
of patient's valuables was sub-par; anything and
probably everything could have (and most likely)
came up missing at one time or the other.

Firearms training was practically nil; due to the
cost factor! Now, not only has training improved;
but we added annual qualification to the "must
have" list. My gut feeling is this, if you are going
to carry a weapon; then you for damn sure are
gonna know how to use it! I could go on and on
with my list of improvements; but I will save you
the boredoom of reading thru this mess.


Security Engineer's is another out-fit that I just
thought about. Unfamiliar with their requirement's; but
they have unarmed post around places like Home Depot,
Lowe's, Office Max, Radio Shack, etc. I'm really unsure
of the pay; but it should be a good, clean, honest job.

*FootNote- Not the same as contract security work!
** Almost three year's now.

Best Of Luck To You,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

MitchSchaft
March 24, 2003, 11:48 PM
I'm not sure if I have to have prior experience being an unarmed guard.
In TN, the company has to put you through 12 hours worth of training which includes firearms instruction and proficiency which I have to score a 70% on a silohuette target. It costs $168 total and has to be renewed every 2 years for $60. I'm not sure if the company pays for all of that or what. I have yet to talk to any companies.

MitchSchaft
March 24, 2003, 11:50 PM
I'll definately look into that, Dan, I appreciate it. As a matter of fact, a guy from this board asked if he could talk to the Med out here to see if they have any type of positions available.

JohnK
March 25, 2003, 01:16 AM
The economy in my area is to the point where nobody wants to hire in the IT field. I'm thinking about looking into the security guard field as they are hiring with halfway decent pay.

Sounds like either the IT field doesn't pay well or security guards make a hell of a lot in your area. I'd have to take about a 70% pay cut to take a security guard job.

I did do some security work about 10 years ago catching shoplifters. Long very dull hours with maybe brief periods of excitement. This wasn't an armed position, maybe those positions are more interesting, but I wouldn't do the security job I had again, I'd rather deliver pizzas (better money too).

MitchSchaft
March 25, 2003, 01:57 AM
Sounds like either the IT field doesn't pay well or security guards make a hell of a lot in your area.

No, the problem is nobody wants to hire. Whether it be the economy or the real good jobs require a degree. I'm only halfway done with my degree and I can't do the temp/contract field anymore since the wife had our baby last year. Even the temp field is sparce and usually not worth the effort since it's only temporary.

c_yeager
March 25, 2003, 04:18 AM
Well, i work as an unarmed hospital security guard. Around here there arent many positions (actually none spring to mind) that are armed. Im a student and working third shift means that i can do a fair amount of homework during my down time (read that as most of the time). Its good work for what it is. And what it is is a paycheck with minimal effort. I would reccomend working in house for some type of company. I used to work contract and i thought it was miserable. Although some do enjoy it. Just be prepared to have some REALLY inept managment. And learn to have a thick skin when people are giving you a line of stuff that you wouldnt normally take off the job. And be ready to deal with the temptation to lie about what you do for a living. I dont do it but i HATE it when people ask me. Its a bad stigma that isnt altogether undeserved.

As far as the three categories previously mentioned (im sorry i cant see who posted it in this window) that assesment is spot on. There are a FEW people who arent students and are just doing a job like anyone else. And i have no problem with them. But the wannabe cops are a serious problem. They range from the guys that just wear a LOT of gear on their belt and talk in "lingo" to the guys that are simply NUTS. When i worked for a contract company i was often watching my partner more than the public. I met some real scary dudes on that job.

As far as carrying a weapon is concerned it varies quite a bit from state to state. In washington unless i am licensed as an "ARMED security officer" ("officer" hehehehe) Then i can get in deep doo doo for carrying even though i have a CHP. I can carry to work and home from work. But if i carry while im AT work and actually dealing with dangerous people then i am breaking the law :rolleyes: .

In short, in your situation you may find it OK. Or it may drive you to the point of madness. If your the type of person that gets a kick out of confrontation (thin line between liking it too much and not enough) you may enjoy certain aspects of it. For a temporary job believe me you could do much worse (i spent one summer scraping fish guts out of trawlers). So give it a try and if it doesnt work go to a different company. In most cases if you can read and arent a registered sex offender youre pretty much over qualified.

Mastrogiacomo
March 25, 2003, 08:46 AM
I know of no instance where there's been armed security in hospitals. I've never seen it in the papers or the hospitals - not in my area anyway. And I never seen armed or unarmed at Lowes or Home Depot, or even the suggestion of this type of work online. For armed, many want you to have experience in unarmed for a while -- one asked me to commit to two years of low pay before I'd even be considered for an armed assignement. Damn, why the Hell did I get my guns? Most of the hospital jobs I've seen here are every other weekend, or on call and must have 1-3 years prior experience. Great, where am I supposed to get that if you don't let me GET the experience? One to three years huh? High school required? How do feel about a M.Ed? Will that make up for the last of experience in security? Brother....:(

I'll be going on a job hunt today again. God knows what I'll turn up. Wish my compacts were back from Langdon Tacticle (Level II trigger job) the range would really release some stress.

rms/pa
March 25, 2003, 08:56 AM
here in PA several of our hospitals have in house security and a gaurd contract. the inhouse supervises the contract staff. which handles the ER and exterior some of these are armed ... the hospital has contracts with the local prisons .

here in PA you must have act 235 certification to work armed.

pay at my site ( unarmed) is 8.75 to start. most armed jobs in the area are 10 to 11 dollars.

rms/pa

VaughnT
March 25, 2003, 10:50 AM
Quartus, you are too kind, sir. Believe it or not, there are more than a few good fellows in this profession. And, for the record, a lot of those old fogies we like to laugh at are genuinely good men.

When I came on board with AT, I was ashamed to see all the geriatrics when I thought the house would be full of meat-eaters and ground-pounders. After getting to know them, I found that these older gentlemen were solid folks from the old school. They wouldn't lie, cheat or steal. They never said an unkind word behind your back. They wouldn't even think about not showing up for work. Heck, one of them, Dutch McCurley, was on a sub under the north atlantic fighting nazi's when he was 14. That's a rare kind of man and I'm proud to be working with people like him. If anything, I'm a better man for it.

I guess that guy was right when he said, "you shouldn't judge a book by the cover."

Mitch, I thought I heard we are opening a branch in the Memphis area. I know we have running operations in PA, MD, NJ, but I'm not sure about TN or what they'll be looking for. We do need in-house people as much as on-route, so there might be something there. I'll look in to it tomorrow when I go back.

Ala Dan
March 25, 2003, 02:24 PM
Greeting's All,

With all due respect's, anyone who hasn't heard of an
armed hospital security post needs to pay a visit
to good old' Bombingham, AL! These hospital's have
such post's:

a) UAB and UAB Medical West
b) Carraway Methodist Medical Center
c) St. Vincent's Medical Facility
d) Health South and Health South Digital Hospital
e) Baptist Medical Center Princeton
f) Baptist Medical Center Montclair
g) Druid City Hospital
j) Shelby Memorial (Baptist) Hospital
i) East End Medical Facility

and On and On! I will stop there! Here in the Heart Of Ole'
Dixie, its just too damn dangerous NOT to have armed
security officer's. Note that in my chart, all hospital's
EXCEPT Druid City Hospital hire their own security
officer's; DCH contract's thru Wackenhut. I know of NO
hospital in this area that has unarmed security post!

Memory recall's a few years ago that Saudi King Fawd
came over to Health South for some type of work by
the world famous Dr. James Andrews. He was accompanied
by a vast number of armed bodyguards toting UZI
sub gun's; walking the hospital corridor's with weapon
and sandal's! My point is, if its O.K. for the sand dune
boy's to patrol the hospital with arm's in hand; why not
armed security officer's?

*FootNote- The good king even brought along his very
own personal food taster! He sampled the food before
it was served to the king.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Poohgyrr
March 25, 2003, 03:11 PM
Like it or not,

Ala Dan is making valid points. The world is a dangerous place and real life has little room for being mistaken on some things.

That is why we have Security, and armed Security, at so many places in the first place. Unwanted trouble comes to places like the Post Office, restaurants, schools, churches, and yes hospitals too. It's no longer just Kings, Presidents, and banks that need to plan for badguys with weapons.

Being armed works both ways. Training means you should perform better, and the penalties are usually stiffer if you screwup. If I need a responsible adult helping to watch my back, I don't care which responsible adult does it. I just want it done, with my genuine thanks. And don't give that person any flack, 'cause I'll watch their back too.

David
March 25, 2003, 03:34 PM
Saudi king's bodyguards toting Israeli-made and designed UZI's...

I Love It...I Love It...I Love!!!

:neener: :neener: :neener:

P.S. Any ideas or suggestions for good armed security positions in Florida? My retired LEO friend will soon be moving the the "sunshine state" and is looking for an armed security position (part-time).

:cool: :cool: :cool:

Quartus
March 25, 2003, 10:38 PM
a lot of those old fogies we like to laugh at are genuinely good men.


The best, in my experience. But a few are just too old. I've literally seen guards who were tottering around. :what:

mdwest
March 26, 2003, 12:18 AM
Mitch,

Your first step is to get your armed guard license. No one in the Memphis area is going to think about putting on a post that pays anything significant at all without it. Talk to Tom Givens at Rangemaster (www.rangemaster.com) about getting you the class. He doesnt do alot of armed guard training anymore as CCW classes take most of his time, but if you ask him nice he may do it for you. Tom is bar-none the best security tranier in town. price is competive too..

in Tennessee you can work "on application" for 90 days as an unarmed guard, but must have your "card" within that time frame or the state board (insurance and commerce) requires the company you work for to dismiss you. You CANNOT work an armed post without already possessing an armed license. there is no grace period or "on application" deal there.

I own and operate a small contract security firm in Memphis. We are always looking for quality applicants. Our wages are mid to high for the industry and we are very selective about our posts.

feel free to contact me direct about security work in Memphis (mdwest@legionconsulting.com)

SquirrelNuts
March 26, 2003, 01:08 AM
I know one man that works as a security guard. Here is his take on working security. His position is as an "unarmed security guard." However, he prefers to work arms with two 1911's. He said the difference between unarmed and armed security is only like 30 cents an hour and armed security is much more dangerous. He refers to his position as "armed, unarmed security." hehe

-SquirrelNuts

Lone Star
March 26, 2003, 08:28 AM
I work armed security in Texas. I have worked armed and unarmed for several companies. I do this to support myself while I write for publication, which I can do on post where I now am. (I was a college student when I began this.)

My present post is a private residence. The old rich witch whom I protect has enemies, some of whom are former servants. Several of these have worked there while I have. They were probably as dangerous as anyone who'd come off the street or out of the considerable acreage of woods behind the property. There are foxes, raccoons, and opossums in those woods, right in the most affluent part of a major city!

I've had a few dangerous situations. In the worst case, four blacks in a maroon pickup truck pulled down the long driveway about three in the morning, and seemed surprised to find an armed guard. They sat there for several minutes, debating what to do next. (Moderator: let the race comment stand. You'll see why it applies in a moment.) I still believe they intended a home invasion.

One said, "We can do this, Man."

Another said, "No, Man, he got a gun. I seen it when he got out of the car".

I stood behind my vehicle, not drawing because they had shown no weapon. I had no backup, no radio or telephone, and no way to summon help. If I had, the servant who responded - if he bothered - was unlikely to be of help.

Finally, they became afraid that I'd do something or that I'd somehow called for help, and they left.

About a week later, four men driving a truck like that, and of the same ethnicity, held up a sporting goods store and cut the throats of the clerks. The manager didn't have her throat fully severed, and tripped an alarm. She testified (recognized one of them as an employee, who'd let his friends in the back door after closing) and they all got either life sentences or the death penalty; I don't recall which. The leader was shot to death by police while trying to escape...in a truck that looked like the one I saw!

Guard work is unrespected, largely because most guards are really as bad as the public thinks they are. The pay is usually very poor; I'm looking for a better job. I can't do police work, as I have asthma and my uncorrected vision (they won't test while wearing glasses) doesn't meet peace officer standards. I didn't complete my senior year of college, so can't apply for jobs requiring a degree. (I do hold an AA degree.)

I don't recommend the field It sucks, in the main. But, when the economy precludes getting better, it provides a liveable (sort of) income, especially when augmented by the few thousand dollars that I earn annually as a writer.

My gun, which I guess will interest some, is a S&W M66, four-inch bbl. (I own it.)

Wish me luck finding a better job. With Affirmative Action in place, it can be tough finding anything worth having, if one is a white male, which I am.

Lone Star

mec
March 26, 2003, 11:18 AM
I did it part time for a few years. The wife was spending all the day job money on herself and I needed the bucks. Came about because a neighbor had a security company and knew about my guns.

This particular job paid minimum wage and was heavy into sheparding drunks at local night clubs. There were also gigs at construction sites. Reality:

Much standing around. One of the major contracts was a " family" club where the patrons came to dance, get drunk and become monumentally insulted -leading to the obvious complications. This meant wrestling drunks- a very easy thing to do since they are after all, drunk. The main duty was to preserve the air conditioning of the hall since this particular culture didn't teach their children to close doors behind them. The security guard had to push the door shut about three times per minute as the urchins ran in and out.

Construction sites were another thing. The job discription was walking around and preventing theft or incursion by winos and such. The real job came from the total unwillingness of drywallers and carpenters to close the windows at the end of the day. A good rain could cost a lot of bucks. The security guard went from building to building closing windows behind them.

Currently in Texas, Guards have to wear their guns openly -even if they have a ccw. There is an exception for bodyguards which is a whole different subject.

My day job employed a uniformed security guard at the front desk. Because many of the employees were liberal or suffering from other mental defects, the guards worked unarmed to keep from frightening them. The guard's main job was to call the police if anything went south and to take the blame if anything happened to one of the liberals or mental defectives.

It becomes one of those many things that you are later glad you have done and are just as glad that you arn't going to do 'em anymore.

... and I just found lonestar's post above. He sums it up extremely well. A particular point emerges in his post that the people you are guarding are often pretty rotten themselves. So are your competitors. One local security company claimed that we shot one of the drunks on one evening when I was working. The boss told the state board investigator that it wasn't true and that was the end of the "investigation." The board apparently got a lot of false complaints from competing companies trying to do away with their rivals.

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