Thr Virtual Match - August 2005


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photo_guy
August 4, 2005, 12:43 AM
For those who may not be familiar with the general rules of the matches please see the rules FAQ (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=64130) .
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=64130



Celebrity Poker Shootout


Bring your favorite firearm to the poker table target and take aim.

TARGET DOWNLOAD : http://members.aol.com/way2go4159/CARD.pdf

Shoot FIVE (5) rounds per target for each entry. One entry per class is allowed but you may enter as many classes as you wish and have proper firearms to meet the requirements.

The standard distances will be 10 yards for Pistol and 25 yrds for Rifle. (plus 50 yrds and 100yrds may be attempted for supported rifle classes.)


Some reminders on match procedures:
You are expected to shoot the match targets only for score and only the approved number of targets for each class. You should not be shooting several match targets and submitting the best score.



Scoring:

Royal Straight Flush = 100 Points [A,K,Q,J,10 of Diamonds only]
5 Of a Kind = 95 Points
4 of a Kind = 90 Points
Full House = 85 Points (3 of a kind plus 2 of a kind)
Flush = 80 Points (5 cards of same suit)
Straight = 75 (cards in sequence; i.e. 3,4,5,6,7)
3 of a kind = 70 Points
2 Pair = 65 Points
Pair = 60 Points
Unmatched cards = Add up the card value (2-11 points per card; ACE = 11)


Unless they are all unmatched, extra cards do not count (i.e. - you can't get 4 of a kind and an Ace for 101 points).



You will notice that the cards overlap. Also, some big bore pistols may cut across more than one card, pick your 5 best cards. Only the visible portion of the card counts on this target. You can not count a card that appears to have a portion behind another card. [Consider this a special "hard" deck of cards made from Kevlar.]i.e. a direct hit on the #3 only counts as a 3 and can not count as hitting the 9 that is behind it. If, on the other hand, the shot breaks the edge of the card and touches the 3 and the 9 it will be your choice which card counts for scoring.

A FLUSH will be allowed using two of the same card (which is not possible in real life.) However, in the case of a tie a flush with 5 different cards will take priority.

NOTE: This target has cards with different suits ( Hearts and Diamonds) which are needed to properly score FLUSH and ROYAL FLUSH hands. There is no way to get a straight flush other than a ROYAL FLUSH on this target.

Note that the target has smaller areas visible for the ROYAL FLUSH cards. This was not an accident.


UNSUPPORTED/FREEHAND CLASSES: 10yrds handgun, 25 yrds rifle
PISTOL STOCK - Standard pistols with barrels 6" or less
PISTOL RIMFIRE - .22LR Pistols
PISTOL SCOPED/IMPROVED - Any scoped pistol or with significant improvements from out-of-the-box or pistols with barrels more than 6".
RIFLE STOCK - Standard rifles with iron sights
RIFLE SCOPED - Any scoped rifle
RIFLE RIMFIRE - .22LR Rifle
AIRGUN PISTOL- un-scoped airgun
AIRGUN RIFLE un-scoped air rifle


SUPPORTED/BENCHREST CLASSES
RIFLE STOCK SUPPORTED Standard rifles with iron sights at 50yrds and/or 100yrds
RIFLE SCOPED SUPPORED - Any scoped rifle at 50yrds and/or 100yrds



Be sure to post your final scores with:

Your THR ID/NAME____________
CLASS___________
Distance_______________
Hand/Score____________
Posting scans of your target is appreciated but not required. A narrative description of your strategy and execution is also appreciated but not required.

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Mark whiz
August 5, 2005, 01:53 PM
This is a fun match to shoot - I enjoyed it the last time we did it. Unfortunately, I'm nursing a broken right shoulder right now :( - so no recoil for me for awhile.

Have fun guys!! :)

photo_guy
August 5, 2005, 11:22 PM
Mark - Sorry you won't be able to do the match this time.

Yes, I kinda like this match format. We have done this twice before (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=112525) and others seem to like it as well. I made some changes to it this month. The target is different, partly because the old one does not seem to be available now. I also wanted to make the higher scoring cards smaller (Royal Flush)to add to the difficulty for the really good shooters.

I hope we get more entries this month. Have fun all!

Mal H
August 6, 2005, 01:07 AM
photo-guy - a question on the new (last month) categories for rimfire. Where would a scoped or improved rimfire rifle or pistol fall? Seems like they would just fall into one of the othr categories. But having separate rimfire categories makes me wonder if all rimfires are in them.

photo_guy
August 6, 2005, 12:06 PM
Mal H,
I have struggled with the class designations several times. On the one hand, I want to make classes available that 'level the playing field' and provide many options. On the other hand, we just don't have a lot of shooters entering the match and we often end up with a single entry in some classes - not much of a contest there.

For now I think the 'scoped' aspect of the firearm will be the predominant factor and scoped rimfire should be reported under scoped pistol or rifle.

cropcirclewalker
August 7, 2005, 09:23 PM
So with this one (with the stock pistol anyway) I tried a strategery which I laughingly refer to as "Luck of the Draw" pun intended. I drew my Smith Mod 10 and fired like fast.....maybe 1 1/2 to 2 seconds per round. I had target aquisition, just no wasting time. I sorta aimed at the six figguring if I was lucky I would end with 5 of a kind.

The missus has my digital loaded up with quilt pictures. I darn't remove any of them.

Your THR ID/NAME Cropcirclewalker
CLASS Stock Pistol
Distance 10 yds
Hand/Score: 3 sixes and a 9 (one must be up my sleeve) :cool: / 70

cropcirclewalker
August 10, 2005, 03:52 PM
Your THR ID/NAME Cropcirclewalker
CLASS Stock Rifle
Distance 25 yds
Hand/Score: K, 8, 8, Q (one must be up my sleeve) / 60

Your THR ID/NAME Cropcirclewalker
CLASS Scoped Rifle
Distance 25 yds
Hand/Score: 3, 3, 9, 9, 5 two pair / 65

:o

DR
August 11, 2005, 12:34 PM
Your THR ID/NAME: DR
CLASS: Pistol Scoped/Improved (S&W 642 with LG205 laser)
Distance: 11 yards
Hand/Score: Five of a kind (2, 2, 2, 2, 2), 95 points

Your THR ID/NAME: DR
CLASS: Pistol Stock (Kahr K9)
Distance: 11 yards
Hand/Score: Full house (K, K, 2, 2, 2), 85 points

On both of these I was trying for five of a kind. After I sent the target downrange I watched the laser wobble about and decided that a good chance at 95 points beat a poor chance at 100 points. I got a little sloppy with the Kahr and lucked out with a full house.

bdutton
August 19, 2005, 03:53 PM
This is my first time posting here. I love this idea of a virtual match.

I went for the glory here but came up about .5mm short of a Royal Flush.

Your THR ID/NAME: bdutton
CLASS: AIRGUN PISTOL- un-scoped airgun (Hammerli 480)
Distance: 33 feet
Hand/Score: (m,Kd,Qd,Jd,10d) score 40points

Here is a link to my target... check out how close I am to the Ace of diamonds. My first shot too.

Target link (http://www.williamdutton.com/images/158_5852_1.JPG)

EDIT: Thanks P_G for pointing out my cut-and-paste error.

photo_guy
August 19, 2005, 08:45 PM
bdutton - Welcome to the match! Hope you enjoy(ed) it. [If you have other firearms you can try additional entries in other calsses.].

It is always nice when someone new joins in. I have been thinking that, perhaps, it was time to call it quits as the participation level has fallen off yet again. But, we'll see how it goes.

elric
August 19, 2005, 09:16 PM
I have been thinking that, perhaps, it was time to call it quits as the participation level has fallen off yet again. But, we'll see how it goes.

I entered for the first time last month, and I'm planning to try in 3 classes this month. Actually was trying to go to the range after work today and shoot it, but as I came over a hill on 290E, saw the traffic back up for miles and a couple of police driving on the shoulder to get ahead, must have been a big accident. Didn't wanna wait hours for that mess to clear up. I'll try again Sat. or Sun.

I hope we get lots of shooters this month!

Red Tornado
August 20, 2005, 06:00 PM
Well, I finally got to shoot a match during the month it's active. Being the wonderful guy I am, I'll even post so everyone can feel better. :D


UNSUPPORTED/FREEHAND
Red Tornado
Class:Rifle Rimfire/stock - 10/22
Distance:25 yards
hand/score:4,4,4,5,9 (70 points)
Note: yeah I missed the Ace and tried for 4's, w/ one flyer, and one I don't even have an excuse for. :o

Red Tornado
Class:Rifle Scope - Romanian M69 w/ BSA airgun scope
Distance:25 yards
hand/score:A,4,4,4,m (70 points)

Red Tornado
Class:Pistol Rimfire - Ruger 22/45
Distance:10 yds
hand/score:A,Q,Q,8,6 (60 pts)

Red Tornado
Class:Pistol Stock Sig P-226
Distance:10yds
hand/score:A,m,m,m,m (11 Pts)
Note: Okay, I just suck. I really suck. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.

BENCHRESTED
Red Tornado
Class:Rifle Scoped - M-69 w/ BSA Airgun scope :)
Distance:50 yards
hand/score:m,A,A,m,A (70 pts)

Red Tornado
Class:Rifle stock - Ruger 10/22
Distance:50 yards
hand/score: Q,Q,9,9,6 (65 pts)
Note: I actually got 3 fairly solid hits on the empty space between the number I hit, and one of the Q's just barely nicked, but I'm giving myself credit. I needs those 5 points. :D It's legit, see the target.
BTW, can anyone really see this target from 50 yards w/o a scope. I was guessing.

Thanks for putting this all together Photo_guy, it was a lot of fun.
RT

***EDIT*****
Oops, I forgot the attachments. Let's try this.

bdutton
August 20, 2005, 09:58 PM
Photo_Guy: [If you have other firearms you can try additional entries in other calsses.].

I'd like to shoot my scoped (red-dot) .22 at 50 feet as that is the only reasonable distance for this level of acuracy required. But that is not in the rules (yet).

I have a scoped .45 (also a red-dot) which could be fun to try. Been quite busy so it was easier to set up the target in my basement and use my new air pistol. I have a few rifles as well but pistol is my game.

photo_guy
August 21, 2005, 12:03 AM
I'd like to shoot my scoped (red-dot) .22 at 50 feet as that is the only reasonable distance for this level of acuracy required. But that is not in the rules (yet).


We have been allowing people to attempt "non-standard" distances for these matches - just be sure you post the actual distance you used. It very well may mean that your score will be summarized "in a class by yourself" since others are unlikely to submit entries under the exact same conditions. But, since this is all for fun anyway, you are free to do that and report the score.

I am open to suggestions for other classes or distances for these matches. If you can drum up support from a few other members for a specific set of conditions I will gladly consider that for next month.

Robert J McElwain
August 22, 2005, 10:37 AM
I came all the way back from Florida just to shoot this month's match. ;)

Robert J McElwain
CLASS: Stock Pistol, SIG P 220, .45 ACP
Distance: 10 yards
Hand/Score: One Pair, two tens, Score 60

Robert J McElwain
CLASS: Scoped Pistol, Ruger Mark II .22 Cal, Bushnell Red Dot
Distance: 10 YARDS
Hand/Score: Full House, 3 fives, 2 Aces, Score 85


I might have been better off staying in Florida. At least based on the .45 ACP score. OTOH, any excuse to get to the range is good one. :D

Tim Burke
August 28, 2005, 03:21 PM
I shot 4 separate classes, and used the same strategy for all 4. My plan was to shoot the Ace, the 10, the King, the Queen and the Jack, in that order. If I pulled a shot, then I'd re-evaluate and determine what my new best possible hand was. As it was, I also pulled at least one shot. My scores were better if I pulled it early, rather than late.

Tim Burke
Class: Airgun Pistol, Beeman P1
Distance: 10 yards
Hand/Score: 5 of a kind (4s) / 95 pts
Note: The pellets didn't punch clean holes, so I've zoomed in to make them visible. There are 2 hits NE of the heart, and 3 in an equilateral triangle near the corner of the 2. 2 of those hits touch the line.

Tim Burke
Class: Stock Pistol, Colt 1911 45 ACP
Distance: 10 yards
Hand/Score: 3 of a kind (9,9,9,A,3)/ 70 pts
Note: I pulled the 10 into the 9, so I went for 4 nines, rather than 4 Aces, because the 9 was a bigger target. Pulled another into the 3.

Tim Burke
Class: Improved Pistol, Colt New Frontier 44 Special, 7.5" barrel
Distance: 10 yards
Hand/Score: Pair (K,K,A,10, miss)/ 60 pts
Note: I jerked the trigger and missed the Queen outright. The best I could do was a pair, so I went for the King for the last shot, since it was a bigger target than the Ace.

Tim Burke
Class: Rimfire Pistol, Kimber 1911, 17Mach2 (Yeah, I know it isn't a 22, but it is a rimfire.)
Distance: 10 yards
Hand/Score: Pair (K,K,A,10, miss)/ 60 pts
Note: I did the exact same thing as in the Improved class.

Navy87Guy
August 28, 2005, 05:32 PM
So near....yet so far! Here's my "shot" at the August title:

User Name: Navy87Guy
Class: Stock pistol, Beretta 92G Vertec
Range: 10 yds
Hand/Score: A, Q, J, 10 .....2! (36)

If those Kevlar 2 and 8 hadn't been in front of the King, I would have had my royal flush!! Here's the photo:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/889657/THRAugust05.jpg


Oh well, better luck next month.

Great match -- lots of fun!

Jim

Souris
August 28, 2005, 07:17 PM
I'm not real impressed with my abilities here but I had fun anyway and it gave me an excuse to shoot one of my late fathers' rifles.

Your THR ID/NAME_Souris
CLASS Pistol Kimber officers model .45 ACP
Distance 10 yards
Hand/Score One pair 5,5,A,7,3 = 81

Your THR ID/NAME_Souris
CLASS Scoped improved pistol
(Stock Virginian Dragoon 7.5" barrel, .44 Mag)
Distance 10 yards
Hand/Score One pair 7,7,A,5,3 = 79

Your THR ID/NAME_Souris
CLASS Scoped rifle Winchester Model 69A .22lr
Distance 25 yards
Hand/Score 4 of a kind 2,2,2,2,4 = 94

cropcirclewalker
August 29, 2005, 01:16 PM
Your THR ID/NAME: Cropcirclewalker
CLASS: Scoped Rifle Supported, 30-06
Distance: 50 yds
Hand/Score: Royal Straight Flush / 100 pts :cool:

The missus has my digital camera filled up with pictures of quilts and won't let me erase them.

I yam awful proud. I cast the bullets (Lyman 311291 gas checked 169 gr LRN (a classic)) sized at .309 powered by 13.1 grains of TRAIL BOSS (my own load, disclaimer etc, do not try this at home) clipping along at a screaming 1310 fps.

Clean holes with nothing touching a line. :D

edited..Some might say the hole in the 10 almost touches the line for the 2, but it's questionable.

re edited....not 2, 9 :o

pauli
August 29, 2005, 02:05 PM
pauli
walther p22
class: pistol rimfire
distance: 10yards (well, somewhere between 7 and 12)
Hand/Score: 2h/3h/3h/9h/9h - flush, 80 points

pauli
s&w model 13-3
class: pistol stock
distance: 10 yards
hand/score: 3h/3h/3h/9h and (7h/3h/9h/5d). taking that as 3h gives me four of a kind for 90 points

pauli
marlin golden 39a
class: rifle rimfire
distance: 25 yards
hand/score: 5d/9h/9h/9h/miss. three of a kind, 70pts

pauli
mossberg 500, 20ga, 18.5" cyl bore, birdshot
class: not a shred.
distance: 10 yards.
hand/score: take a guess :) it ranged from one pellet in the Jd to 23 in the 3h. shotcup scored on 7h, 5d, 9h, and 3h.

WayneConrad
August 29, 2005, 03:11 PM
mossberg 500, 20ga, 18.5" cyl bore, birdshot
Now that's funny right there!

Mal H
August 30, 2005, 02:50 PM
photo_guy,
Any thoughts of extending the competition over the Labor Day weekend? I'll bet there will be lots of range time taken in that period, I know I will be doing some targt shooting and intend to try "my hand" at that time.

I love the poker shoots you offer, but have not been able to get it in this month.

photo_guy
August 30, 2005, 04:19 PM
Mal H - Yes, I was thinking of doing just that. I have been having 'life' happen to me recently so I haven't gotten to the range to shoot it myself.

so....The deadline for entries into the August match is hereby extended to September 6th,2005. So get out there and give it a try over the Holiday!

I plan to get the September match posted before Friday so you can have a chance to shoot both matches at once if you desire.

Mal H
August 30, 2005, 05:27 PM
Excellent! Thanks.

elric
September 2, 2005, 01:45 AM
My strategy was to go for the gold - try for the Royal Flush in each class. I started with the Ace, since I figured that was the hardest target, and worked my way backwards in the AKQJ10 order. Threw a flyer in Improved Pistol and Rimfire, but managed to not choke on Stock Pistol (actually, that was the one I shot first, so maybe I got overconfident for the other two :) ).

Your THR ID/NAME: elric
CLASS: Rimfire Pistol (Ruger 22/45)
Distance: 10 yrds
Hand/Score: A Q J 10 2 - 43

Your THR ID/NAME: elric
CLASS: Stock Pistol (6" Python)
Distance: 10 yrds
Hand/Score Royal Flush - 100

Your THR ID/NAME: elric
CLASS: Improved Pistol (8" Python)
Distance: 10 yrds
Hand/Score: A K Q J 9 - 50
http://www.fnord.org/~elric/thr_aug_05_22_pistol.jpg
http://www.fnord.org/~elric/thr_aug_05_stock_pistol.jpg
http://www.fnord.org/~elric/thr_aug_05_improved_pistol.jpg

photo_guy
September 3, 2005, 12:14 AM
As promised I have posted the September match in time for you to go out and shoot it this weekend along with the August match.

Some scoring clarifications:

Your score is for a completed hand only unless you do not make at least a pair. It is not the points for a hand "plus" the remaining cards.

[Souris -please take note of the above....and welcome to the match!]

Also, Aces can be scored high as 11 points.

[Navy87guy - I don't know how you came up with 36 for A, Q, J, 10 .....2! ]


a flush was intended to be 5 different cards of the same suit nut, since I didn't make that clear we will accept 5 cards including repeats as flushes this month.

[pauli - you are Ok under this ruling! Also welcome to the match!]

Navy87Guy
September 4, 2005, 09:41 PM
[Navy87guy - I don't know how you came up with 36 for A, Q, J, 10 .....2! ]
Because I can't read! I'm used to counting face cards 11, 12 and 13 (J, Q, K) -- you were counting them 10 each. So I guess if I count the A as 11, that gives me a revised total of 43. It still wouldn't have been an issue if I could have hit the darn K!

Jim

photo_guy
September 5, 2005, 12:41 PM
I'm used to counting face cards 11, 12 and 13 (J, Q, K) -- you were counting them 10 each.

Jim,
OK. I understand now;Except you left off the 2 and the 10 and that really threw me. If you scored your way for all the cards it would have been 11 + 12 + 13 + 10 + 2.

This is a good example of why it is wise to post a picture of your target or, at the very least describe your hits. It allows us to work out any scoring issues as they may be identified.

Mal H
September 6, 2005, 03:52 PM
Thanks for the extension, photo_guy. I finally was able to shoot the targets at a make-shift range we have at a mountain getaway. It's more challenging than it appears due to the varying target (cards) sizes. No benchs or sand bags available so I couldn't shoot any supported groups.

Of course I tried for a Royal Flush on the first two, and failed miserably on the first or second shot of each group. Oh well.

THR NAME: Mal H
CLASS: Scoped Pistol (Ruger MK512 w/Red dot)
Distance: 10 yards
Hand/Score: 4 of a kind = 90
(4 Aces, missed the King on the second shot, so I just shot the last 3 at the Ace.)

THR NAME: Mal H
CLASS: Scoped Rifle (Marlin 917)
Distance: 25 yards
Hand/Score: 3 of a kind = 70
(three 4's, one Ace, one 5)

THR NAME: Mal H
CLASS: Rimfire rifle (buckhorn iron sights)
Distance: 25 yards
Hand/Score: 4 of a kind = 90
(four 5's, one 9)

This was a borrowed rifle of unknown make. The owner said it was made by "Canadian Limited". Never heard of it and can't find it referenced anywhere. It shot fairly well though. I actually went for the center of the paper (5's) since I knew that was my best chance at repeatability with iron sights and poor eyesight. I got the tightest group of all with that little rifle - go figure.

Mal H
September 6, 2005, 04:00 PM
photo_guy, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that elric would see that he got a Royal Flush with his 8" Python if he put an Eze-Scorer in the hole in the 9. Looks like it is touching the 10 to me.

photo_guy
September 7, 2005, 12:45 AM
photo_guy, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that elric would see that he got a Royal Flush with his 8" Python if he put an Eze-Scorer in the hole in the 9. Looks like it is touching the 10 to me.

Mal H, Well, it is very close. The rule we are using is that it must break the line. Unfortunetly, it looks like elric use some wadcutters which made a nice, clean hole. I'll be a FMJ would have ripped the paper just enough to break the line. It is hard to see in the scan, even after blowing it up a bit. I'm leaving it as elric scored it. If elric looks at it again and sees that it did brak the line I'll update the scores appropriately. Still some nice shooting!

photo_guy
September 7, 2005, 12:50 AM
Not a bad turnout this month. I'm glad to see lots of new people giving the matches a try.

Elric and Cropcirclewalker were able to hit Royals. elric came very, very close to doing it twice. Nice shooting guys.

Pauli also proived some entertainment this month by trying to use a shotgun (with birdshot no less). There is always one wise-guy who trys something "unique". Gotta love it.

Hope you all can try next months match as well.





PISTOL STOCK CLASS
elric - 100
pauli - 90
DR - 85
Cropcirclewalker 70
Tim Burke - 70
Robert J McElwain 60
Souris - 60
Navy87Guy - 43
Red Tornado - 11

PISTOL RIMFIRE
pauli - 80
Red Tornado - 60
Tim Burke 60
Elric - 43

PISTOL SCOPED
DR 95
Mal H - 90
Robert J McElwain 85
Souris - 60


PISTOL IMPROVED
Tim Burke - 60
Elric - 50

RIFLE STOCK CLASS
Cropcirclewalker - 60



RIFLE SCOPED
Souris - 90
Red Tornado 70
Mal H - 70
Cropcirclewalker - 65



RIFLE RIMFIRE
Mal H - 90
Red Tornado 70
Pauli - 70

AIRGUN PISTOL
Tim Burke - 95
bdutton 40

AIRGUN RIFLE


RIFLE STOCK CLASS - SUPPORTED
Cropcirclewalker - 100
Red Tornado - 65

RIFLE SCOPED - SUPPORTED
Red Tornado - 70


CRAZY SHOTGUN
pauli - ????

elric
September 7, 2005, 07:18 PM
photo_guy, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that elric would see that he got a Royal Flush with his 8" Python if he put an Eze-Scorer in the hole in the 9. Looks like it is touching the 10 to me.

Mal H, Well, it is very close. The rule we are using is that it must break the line. Unfortunetly, it looks like elric use some wadcutters which made a nice, clean hole. I'll be a FMJ would have ripped the paper just enough to break the line. It is hard to see in the scan, even after blowing it up a bit. I'm leaving it as elric scored it. If elric looks at it again and sees that it did brak the line I'll update the scores appropriately. Still some nice shooting!


Yup, I was using full wadcutters, so the hole you see is the full bullet diameter. Didn't quite make it to the 10. Wasn't quite sure back at 10 yards, so I kept my fingers crossed as I walked to the target, but as Maxwell Smart'd say, "Missed it by that much!"

The 8" Python doesn't like that wadcutter load as much as the 6" does. I'll try to find some time to load the 158 gr SWC load that it loves in time for the next match . :evil:

Anyhow, thanks for trying to help out my score :)

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