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albanian
August 4, 2005, 12:54 AM
If you had only one shot to defend yourself and had to choose between these calibers, what would you pick? Why? The load can be any factory load that you can buy, no crazy handloads with twice the recomended powder!

I would take the .357 Mag because of the speed and in a JHP, I trust that it will expand.

BilboTN
August 4, 2005, 12:55 AM
If you had only one shot to defend yourself and had to choose between these calibers,


Ummm which calibers? Defend yourself from what?

albanian
August 4, 2005, 12:58 AM
It took me a second to list the poll. From one man who wants to kill you. Probably a torso shot.

BilboTN
August 4, 2005, 01:15 AM
.45ACP preferably with a Golden Sabre or GD. Even if it doesn't expand it's still almost a half inch hole. Plus I'm fairly accurate with that round.

d46houston
August 4, 2005, 02:12 AM
.40 --------------in a 10 MM 165 Gloden saber load.

chaim
August 4, 2005, 02:47 AM
I would take any revolver caliber .38+P and up or any auto caliber 9mm and up (though I am assuming good premium JHP ammo). Of course, if I only had one round then follow up shots won't matter much so the more powerful the better. I'd probably pick .45ACP, .44spl or .45LC (no .40S&W, .357mag or .44mag if I only had one round because I'd want to be especially sure it did not overpenatrate since there would be no follow up shots- I wouldn't want a pencil type wound all the way through, I'd want the hollowpoints to expand and the round to expend itself in my attacker).

goalie
August 4, 2005, 02:58 AM
9mm, because it is what I am actually carrying. My .357 is in the truck.

GregGry
August 4, 2005, 03:05 AM
Tough choice, I went with the .45, because thats what I am used to. The .357 is in a very close second place though.

New_geezer
August 4, 2005, 06:21 AM
The "From What?" question matters but I think the 357 Mag covers most bases pretty well

Ala Dan
August 4, 2005, 08:02 AM
Like many other's, I voted for the .357 magnum~ :D

nero45acp
August 4, 2005, 09:32 AM
.357 Magnum. My second choice, though not listed on your poll, would be the .357 SIG.


nero

Pistol Toter
August 4, 2005, 09:33 AM
Thats a pretty tough question. With only one shot I voted .45acp but a 158 gr. .357 would most likely do just as well. I would not want to be hit with either one of the choices. As a kid I caught a load bird shot while looking for a moon shine making operation that was in my extended neighborhood; mountainous section of E. Tennessee. I definitely did not go back. LOL :neener:

Gunsnrovers
August 4, 2005, 09:53 AM
Depends on what gun.

bakert
August 4, 2005, 10:03 AM
I chose the .45 ACP because that's what I carry most of the time. the .357 is just about as good. The only two I would consider iffy would be the .380 and 9MM Mak but there's no such thing a sure stopping with any handgun.

shield20
August 4, 2005, 10:19 AM
.45acp because .41 mag wasn't listed.

Graystar
August 4, 2005, 10:56 AM
No .50AE?? :what:

Island Beretta
August 4, 2005, 11:01 AM
No brainer - .357 magnum :cool:

meathammer
August 4, 2005, 11:12 AM
.357 Magnum

.45ACP would be my second choice.


--meathammer

Souris
August 4, 2005, 11:32 AM
.45 ACP, It's what's for bad guys! :D

It's also what I carry!

CajunBass
August 4, 2005, 12:24 PM
Ok. I get a choice? Then I guess they must be lined up on a table with one round in each? In that case, the first one I can pick up.

Then the next one, and the next one, and so on......

Vic303
August 4, 2005, 12:30 PM
.45acp first choice
.357 mag second choice.

But I often carry the .357 in the summer because it is easier to carry in gymshorts in the Smartcarry.

Frandy
August 4, 2005, 12:37 PM
Of the choices, .45 with Golden Sabres or Gold Dots in my DW Patriot or Smith 1911.

foghornl
August 4, 2005, 04:29 PM
The 230-Gr Golden Sabre launched from my "GI-45" Springfield.

My only .357 is a short-barrel Sheriff's Model Vaquero. Great "Fun Gun" but shoots to the left in my hands.

Bandit01
August 4, 2005, 05:04 PM
.357 because even if I miss, I'll still get him.

Oldnamvet
August 4, 2005, 05:08 PM
A long time ago in BCT, our DI held a demonstration. He hung up a large piece of steel plate and picked up an M16 and shot it. It didn't move but there was a hole in it. He next tried an M-14. It moved a little and there was a slightly bigger hole in it. Next he used a M1911 .45 ACP at the shot the heavy plate swung completely around and fell. There was no hole in it but a very large dent. Knock the snot out of them - they can die on the ground later. I go for the big hole.

Krag
August 4, 2005, 06:42 PM
I choose a 9mm because that's the only caliber pistol I ever use for CCW or home defense. It is also the caliber pistol I can shoot faster and more accurately than any any and THAT'S WHAT COUNTS!!! :D

My preferred ammo is W-W 127 gr.+P+ and Cor-Bon 115 gr.+P DPX. If you can't solve the problem with these you don't need a pistol - you need a SWAT team! :rolleyes:

GaryM
August 4, 2005, 07:07 PM
For a single shot I would want the highest power round available, in this poll it would be the .357 mag.

Velocity229
August 4, 2005, 07:51 PM
45 ACP 230 gr. Federal Hydra-Shock JHP.

MrChicken
August 4, 2005, 08:18 PM
IMHO, you should consider your gun a single shot weapon.
That one shot has to count, whether it's your first shot, last shot, or every shot in between. You dont have any to waste.
17 in the mag means nothing if the gun breaks after the first shot. Every shot you dont place properly gives him/them that much more time to kill you. Every miss is liability for you going downrange.

This shot is the shot that matters, not the next one and not the one before it.

Super Trucker
August 4, 2005, 10:28 PM
Another vote for .357Mag, I am accurate with that round.

The Drew
August 4, 2005, 10:30 PM
.500S&W MAG because I can only afford one round....

kevin387
August 4, 2005, 10:33 PM
.45 because it is proven and even if their is no expansion it is a pretty big hole.

mattw
August 4, 2005, 11:13 PM
Why would anyone choose 9mm if they could have .45ACP?

williegee
August 4, 2005, 11:21 PM
.357 Magnum

TwoGun
August 5, 2005, 12:42 AM
Based on Evan Marshall's data collection of real live police shooting, the 125 grain .357 from a four in revolver is has the highest percentage of one shot stops. However, I'm a lousy revolver shooter so I'd have to go with my 230 grain Federal Hydra Shok. Shot placement is far more important that the caliber and load. But the percentage difference between the two rounds is pretty minimal.

But anybody worth shooting once, is worht shooting twice. There is no such thing as a magic bullet. In fact, you shoot them until they stop doing what ever it was that made you shoot them in the first place.

Stevie-Ray
August 5, 2005, 12:44 AM
.45 ACP, 230 gr HydraShok

katonk
August 5, 2005, 12:56 AM
45ACP....2nd choice..41mag :D

Hardtarget
August 5, 2005, 12:56 AM
I voted .45acp. I'm partial...thats what I carry.I like big and slow and heavy. I want it to go all the way through. If the BG is leaking hydraulics on both sides he'll slow down faster. :D Besides, everybody KNOWS that .45 will just flat knock him down! :evil: had to say that.
Mark.

Black Majik
August 5, 2005, 01:04 AM
MrChicken,

very well said.

My single shot caliber would have to go to the .357 magnum, next the .45 ACP.

C-grunt
August 5, 2005, 05:40 AM
Ole .45- big, heavy, bone shattering piece of metal flying around!

71Commander
August 5, 2005, 06:13 AM
.45- 230 gr. FMJ. Nuff said. :)

only1asterisk
August 5, 2005, 06:13 AM
Why post a poll with only 1 right answer?

David

MR.G
August 5, 2005, 09:05 AM
.357 Magnum.

cortez kid
August 5, 2005, 09:41 AM
From all that I've read about calibers and energy levels, It comes down to whatever hurts on one end, hurts on the other. It hurts to shoot .357 out of my little mod 60.
kid

albanian
August 5, 2005, 06:32 PM
"But anybody worth shooting once, is worht shooting twice. "

I like that! :D

I left out certain calibers on purpose because I tried to stick with calibers that were most often carried. I know a .500 Mag will be everyones first choice but how many people carry one concealed? 10mm, .44 mag and .41 Mag are carried by a few people but not enough to put in the poll.

Certain things come to light in this poll, .45acp and .357 are the choices if we can choose. This was not intended to be about guns, follow up shots or anything other than what ONE bullet would you want to toss at someone if you only had ONE. It was basically a question of trust, do you trust the .380 or .38spl that you carry? Looks like nobody trusts their Mak. :neener: Anyway, looks like .357 and .45acp are the clear winners.

Freeze N
August 5, 2005, 10:39 PM
10mm 180 gr Gold Dot from Doubletap.
45 ACP 230 gr Gold Dot or Hydrashoks.

stevelyn
August 6, 2005, 12:49 PM
Well, preferably if I have only one shot, I would prefer that one shot be the option of calling in an airstrike to napalm the badguy, his house, the block he lives on, his family and all his buds.
However, there's never an F-16 nearby when you need one, so make my one shot a .357. :D

Medusa
August 6, 2005, 02:08 PM
Yeah, I voted .45ACP as this is a stopper round. But I didn't see the 5.7mm SS190 on the list :confused: as this is a definite stopper - 31 grains @ 2133 fps - no overpenetration and a tumbler - almost all energy into the BG :evil:

BUT my personal favourite if to absolutely stop a BG with one round - 40mm HE grenade out of AG36 :evil: KA-BOOM :what: and the BG is literally all over the place :D

115grfmj
August 6, 2005, 09:24 PM
125 gr jhp trumps ALL other rounds. Not even .45 does better, and I like
.45's

Brasso
August 6, 2005, 10:22 PM
The heavier jhp's, by and large, do better at expanding than the lighter ones. At least in ballistic jello.

Yeah, 125gr 357mag bullets trump everything......except the 145's, 158's, and 180's.

I trust the 9mm to keep me safe, but if I had a choice of only one bullet, it would be a 158gr SJHP in .357mag and loaded right.

Hypnogator
August 6, 2005, 10:29 PM
Against humans, I'd go with the .45 ACP (which is what I carry concealed).

Since you didn't specify, I'd choose the .357 Mag -- good against humans, more adequate than the .45 against bears or other large 4-legged predators.

Cpl Punishment
August 6, 2005, 11:23 PM
.45 ACP

Because it's what I practice with and can hit best with.

Brasso
August 7, 2005, 01:50 AM
" but higher velocity (as far as pistol rds go) ALWAYS means better expansion than lower velocity, and heavier bullets always mean lower velocities."


You would think. But it's just not the case. All bullets are not made the same. In any one type of bullet, be it golddot, xtp, goldensabre, hydroshok, etc, the heavier bullets have much larger cavities. They almost always expand better and in most cases larger than the lighter ones.

TwoGun
August 9, 2005, 01:14 AM
While some people dispute what Marshal and Sanov have come up, thier data shows that the Federal 125 gr .357 had 111 one stop shots out of 117 shooting for a 95% success at one shot stops. This data was compliled from 1992 to 1996.

For some reason I can't find the darn sheet that has the same years stats for the 230 gr HydraShok.http://www.thehighroad.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1842412#
Cussing
I believe it was only about a 2% difference though. In truth I don't believe that the small percentage in difference has much of an impact. There are many, many more factors that are much larger influnces. Like I stated earlier, I can shoot my single action .45 far better than I could revolver with its long (and comparativly heavy) double action trigger. This is not true for everyone however. But for me it is, so I'll stick with my .45.

These days just about all premium ammo of any caliber will expand reliably at reasonable combat ranges. The thing is that there are so many variables to deal with that no single round is best at all of them. You have to take certain things into account. For instance, I live pretty far north. It's cold here in the fall and spring, not just in winter. Most people wear heavy coats or several layers of warm clothing, including the bad guys. If a hollowpoint hits those layers of fabric or even a single heavy layer, the hollow part of the bullet tends to act like a cookie cutter and the cavity fills up with the material and you instatnly have non expanding ammo. I think just about everyone will agree that when it comes to non expanding ammo, a bigger frontal area it always better. This is only a single variable and obviously doesn't apply to everyone, or even to me all the time. But is one that I consider.

Have a COMPLETELY reliable handgun, in the largest caliber that you are comfortable shooting accuractly and quickly and fill it with premium ammo. And practice, practice, practice. Chances are you'll do just fine. Even with only one shot.

No_Brakes23
August 9, 2005, 02:42 AM
I chose .357, but I don't own anything that chambers that.

It really breaks my heart to not choose .45ACP, love that round, love the 1911.

And if it was more than one round, I would take the .45ACP, cause I can get more shots on target faster than the .357.

Krag
August 9, 2005, 08:45 AM
MattW - reread my post. I choose the 9mm because I can shoot pistols chambered for it faster and more accurately than any other centerfire handgun I own. Nuff said!

Fast, accurate shot placement is more important than bullet diameter!

pezo
August 10, 2005, 09:42 PM
.357 magnum. hollow points. factory.

pauli
August 11, 2005, 12:19 AM
A long time ago in BCT, our DI held a demonstration. He hung up a large piece of steel plate and picked up an M16 and shot it. It didn't move but there was a hole in it. He next tried an M-14. It moved a little and there was a slightly bigger hole in it. Next he used a M1911 .45 ACP at the shot the heavy plate swung completely around and fell. There was no hole in it but a very large dent. Knock the snot out of them - they can die on the ground later. I go for the big hole.

the problem with using reactive steel targets as a metric becomes clear when someone brings a baseball to the range.

natedog
August 11, 2005, 01:14 AM
Any good JHP in any of those calibers except for .380 or 9x18mm.

GregGry
August 11, 2005, 01:52 AM
I am checking in, and I noticed that the polls are a land slide. I was figuring that 9mm would have had more votes, but I was wrong. The fact that .45 acp is in a close second doesn't surprize me in the least :cool:

MachIVshooter
August 11, 2005, 03:39 AM
Why is 10mm not on the list?

Both my CCW and my nightstand gun are 10mm's, stocked with 180 gr. GOld Sabres in front of 10.8* grains of IMR 800x, for a velocity of 1406 FPS from a 5" tube, 1342 from 3.5". If that won't make 'em think twice, I'm screwed anyway. I voted .45 ACP, since it is the next best thing.

*Disclaimer: The above stated load is over maximum and should not be attempted. I walk a dangerous line.

355sigfan
August 11, 2005, 04:54 AM
I will take a 45 acp loaded with either +p 230 grain Wincheser Rangers over 12 inches of penetration and it expands to .80 caliber with about 500 footpounds and sharp barbs whats not to like. The other load I like is the +p Federal HST it has about 450 footpounds penetrates over 12 inches and expands to almost .90 caliber. But in reality I would feel almost as well with the +p+ 127 grain 9mm Ranger. Shotplacement matters the most especially if you only have one shot.
Pat

armoredman
August 11, 2005, 10:29 AM
12 gauge

ducktapehero
August 11, 2005, 11:19 PM
38 Spec +P, with a 158gr LSWCHP. The reason being my primary handgun right now is my Taurus model 82 and I shoot it better than anything else.

psyopspec
November 25, 2005, 02:31 AM
.45, 230 gr Golden Saber.

jlh26oo
November 25, 2005, 03:45 AM
Why would anyone choose 9mm if they could have .45ACP?

They wouldn't.

They are just trying to convince others and themselves. In day to day practicality, they might actually prefer 9mm (as I do). But in THIS "one shot" situation- let's be honest. NO one with any inkling of a clue would prefer to put one 9mm in an attacker instead of a .357mag or .45acp.

Whatever your reasons are for choosing 9mm- cost, capacity, availability, recoil etc, those are all indeed valid reasons, in fact cost is THE reason I choose 9mm. But you are in DENIAL, if given ONE SHOT, in THIS scenario, with THESE choices, you claim you'd take a 9mm over a .357mag, or even a .45acp.

I shoot 9mm. I don't have time to reload, and even if I did, I'd be hard pressed to do it much cheaper than $3.86/50 anyways. If I could shoot .45acp or 10mm at 9mm prices, of COURSE I would be shooting that instead. I sometimes shoot as much as a case in a weekend (could not afford to do that w.10mm even if I reloaded). Bottom line, I get to shoot more for my money with 9mm. But I am comfortable enough in my decision to be realistic about the parameters of it. The % of those who picked 9mm in this exercise are NOT.

1911 guy
November 25, 2005, 10:51 AM
Although .357 would be a close second for me. The revo round has good balistics for a handgun round, but I'm far more proficient with a 1911 than my Ruger .357.

DirksterG30
November 25, 2005, 11:00 AM
.45ACP - 230gr. Golden Sabers.

gunfan
November 25, 2005, 03:13 PM
No 10mm?! Then I'll take my .357 S&W Magnum! :barf: I have nothing against my .357's, but I can shoot my 10mm Autos just as, if not more, accurately.

Scott

longeyes
November 25, 2005, 03:52 PM
.45acp--because I shoot the platform better.

JMusic
November 25, 2005, 07:11 PM
Many good choices but I picked the .45 acp. If I really had a choice though I'd just a soon hit them with an automobile.
Jim

420Stainless
November 26, 2005, 05:35 PM
I suspect the .357 mag. might be the best, but don't own one. Of those I own, my best shooting is with the pistol that shoots .45, so that is what I voted for.

Biker
November 26, 2005, 06:00 PM
135 gr Cor-bon jhp in 40 SW. It's virtually tied with the 357 125 gr HP on the street and it comes in a more contollable package.
Biker

draco9936
November 28, 2005, 04:02 PM
158 gr Silvertip 357mag;) , when you absolutely need to put their D*$@ in the dirt. although that 50 bmg:scrutiny: would kill on both sides. John

Fatelvis
November 28, 2005, 09:59 PM
45 ACP. I dont have to worry about it expanding, its already a big diameter!

JMusic
November 28, 2005, 11:48 PM
I had an episode once to where my partner and I were were going in a small enclosed glass waiting area as a very large man with just bib overhauls was coming out. My partner who was about 230 lbs started verbaly tearing into this guy. He looked like a midget beside ole bib. What I didn't know was ole bib had been hittiin on my partners wife. Anyway my partner was passin out checks I knew both of us couldn't cash. It all worked out for the good and ole bib left but I can recall this one thought. I don't have enough gun for this!!! At the time I was carring a BHP in 9mm.
Jim

Boss Spearman
November 28, 2005, 11:57 PM
.38 special, .357 or 9mm, because those are the only calibers I own/carry.

HighVelocity
November 29, 2005, 12:00 AM
357 mag. Probably a good old 125gr jhp.

10-Ring
November 29, 2005, 12:05 AM
Tough choice...I taught myself to shoot using a 9mm pistol so I'm very comfortable shooting it, but I have also shot ALOT of 45 acp over the years. I guess if push came to shove & I had to choose...man to man, most things being equal, I'd go 45acp

Carpe Cerevisi
December 21, 2005, 11:46 PM
This poll is bias and offers no insight into anything. Most people will use the most powerful caliber or most familiar one listed. The question shouldnt be "if you had one shot.." it should be "if you had to defend yourself". This will make the people think about ammo capacity, the defeat capability of each caliber, and the chances of a follow up shot based on recoil. If it were me, most of these calibers id be fine with except for the .380 and .357 and i dont remember the others. Id be fine with a .45, a .40, and a 9 or 10mm mainly because the recoil in a weapon small enough to carry is controllable to fire accurate shots and a follow up shots. The .380 was the first pistol caliber i ever shot so i have a soft spot for it. But i wouldnt feel confident with it in a gunbattle because chances are id be outpowered. The .357 is an excellent caliber if you hit what you are shooting at due to the recoil in the smaller framed guns id most likely be carrying the recoil would be manageable but not enough to reliably shoot tight double taps or have a superior ammo capacity.

Squidward
December 22, 2005, 01:53 AM
Out to 7 yards I'd take any of them. For me it's all about the gun,how I'm carrying it (Hip=good. Ankle = bad) and how fast I can get it on target. As many have said before, caliber is second to shot placement.

If I only have 1 round and there are 2 bad guys, I will run! The first one to catch me dies!!

JohnKSa
December 22, 2005, 03:43 AM
I'd be far, FAR more concerned with the gun than the chambering.

Caliber means absolutely nothing unless you have a platform that can deliver it accurately.

osteodoc08
December 22, 2005, 10:58 AM
Assuming all are shot in the same place at the same distance...I trust the tried and proven 45ACP with the 357Mag as a close, very close second.

redneck2
December 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
The load can be any factory load that you can buy, no crazy handloads with twice the recomended powder!

How about handloads that aren't crazy?? Either way, I'd take either my Delta Elite 10mm with DoubleTaps or a 1911 45 acp

I would take the .357 Mag because of the speed and in a JHP, I trust that it will expand
A .357 might expand but a .45 won't shrink

V4Vendetta
December 23, 2005, 06:57 PM
357. magnum.

Inline_6
December 23, 2005, 08:54 PM
45ACP everytime

madmike38
December 24, 2005, 07:03 AM
another vote for the .45

bigmike45
December 24, 2005, 10:25 AM
I chose the .45acp, only because you did not list my favorite caliber. I have used a .41mag for just about everything. Hunting, target shooting, bowling pin competition and a carry weapon. Since there is no .41mag semi-auto (other than the humongus Desert Eagle) I choose my next favorite 1911 in .45acp for protection. Third is my .357mag revolver.

Moondoggie
December 24, 2005, 02:13 PM
I chose .45 acp.

When the slide locks to the rear, you've got a handy stabbing device to jam into their eyeball and an excellent club for more followup attention if needed.

denfoote
December 24, 2005, 02:54 PM
But, I trust the 9X18 round, fired in my EG Pistolet Makarova. Sub one inch groups at 10 yards means it will do it's jon if I do mine!!

cbsbyte
December 24, 2005, 05:05 PM
I would go with the .357 Mag, then a .45 and if all else failed a 9mm.

MCgunner
December 24, 2005, 05:16 PM
I picked the .357 magnum because it's the best one shot stopper (if there is such a thing in handgun calibers) on your list and I shoot it well. I'd choose the 125 graind JHP at approx. 1400 fps. However, I'd stipulate it be fired out of a 4" or longer tube. In a snubby, you're almost as well off with a +P .38 and if the barrel is short, I'd go for a .45ACP 200 grains speer load. A .357 out of a snub loses a lot of its velocity.

Actually, I'd be hard pressed to chose between the 9, .40, .45 in their best loadings. They're all pretty good stoppers. But, the .357 magnum is the man in this crowd.

MCgunner
December 24, 2005, 05:22 PM
I had an episode once to where my partner and I were were going in a small enclosed glass waiting area as a very large man with just bib overhauls was coming out. My partner who was about 230 lbs started verbaly tearing into this guy. He looked like a midget beside ole bib. What I didn't know was ole bib had been hittiin on my partners wife. Anyway my partner was passin out checks I knew both of us couldn't cash. It all worked out for the good and ole bib left but I can recall this one thought. I don't have enough gun for this!!! At the time I was carring a BHP in 9mm.
Jim

Sure you did. ;)

MachIVshooter
December 25, 2005, 04:50 PM
This poll is bias and offers no insight into anything. Most people will use the most powerful caliber or most familiar one listed. The question shouldnt be "if you had one shot.." it should be "if you had to defend yourself". This will make the people think about ammo capacity, the defeat capability of each caliber, and the chances of a follow up shot based on recoil. If it were me, most of these calibers id be fine with except for the .380 and .357 and i dont remember the others. Id be fine with a .45, a .40, and a 9 or 10mm mainly because the recoil in a weapon small enough to carry is controllable to fire accurate shots and a follow up shots. The .380 was the first pistol caliber i ever shot so i have a soft spot for it. But i wouldnt feel confident with it in a gunbattle because chances are id be outpowered. The .357 is an excellent caliber if you hit what you are shooting at due to the recoil in the smaller framed guns id most likely be carrying the recoil would be manageable but not enough to reliably shoot tight double taps or have a superior ammo capacity.

This summation intrigues me. Particularly the bit about a compact 10mm being more controllable than a similarly sized .357 magnum. Maybe if you're shooting .40-level loads, but the full-house loads in my witness compact cause more jump than full loads in a 3" steel J-frame .357. Maybe I'm alone here but I find that, while a wheelgun recoils sharper than an auto, they tend to have less muzzle rise, hence are back on target more quickly. Exception can be made for the big boys (.454, .500, etc.).

I'm not advocating one over the other here (I carry a 10mm), but I don't see a tangible benefit in recoil recovery from an auto firing a cartridge similar in power to it's wheelgun couterpart.

The real arguement lies in capcity vs. reliability. No auto will ever be as trouble-free as a good revolver, but I have yet to see an 11-round .357 mag.

Karate
December 25, 2005, 05:42 PM
44 Special but it is not on the list

So second choice is 9mm

MCgunner
December 25, 2005, 05:54 PM
This summation intrigues me. Particularly the bit about a compact 10mm being more controllable than a similarly sized .357 magnum. Maybe if you're shooting .40-level loads, but the full-house loads in my witness compact cause more jump than full loads in a 3" steel J-frame .357. Maybe I'm alone here but I find that, while a wheelgun recoils sharper than an auto, they tend to have less muzzle rise, hence are back on target more quickly. Exception can be made for the big boys (.454, .500, etc.).

I'm not advocating one over the other here (I carry a 10mm), but I don't see a tangible benefit in recoil recovery from an auto firing a cartridge similar in power to it's wheelgun couterpart.

The real arguement lies in capcity vs. reliability. No auto will ever be as trouble-free as a good revolver, but I have yet to see an 11-round .357 mag.

No, you're not alone. I can shoot the .357 quite rapidly and accurately in a STEEL frame 3". I wouldn't carry one with full house loads in a 2". What would be the point, blind the BG? My favorite 3" is the Ruger SP101 and it's one sweet shootin' revolver! I think that's my next gun, fired a friends. It's very controllable with full house 158s, let alone the 125s I'd be carrying it with in a CCW environment. I've fired big tens, but not compact ones. I have fired officer's ACPs, though and I'd rather have the SP101, personally, if the poop hit the fan. I carry revolvers and autos and feel well armed with either, but toting a 3" compact revolver like the SP would definitely put me in the lead for horsepower over all, but the 10mm.

My praise of my buddy's little SP101 probably wouldn't extend to some of the ungodly, ridiculously light weight titanium guns available in 2". I don't even know why they chamber those things for .357. I'd never fire .357s in one if I had it. I haven't had a chance to cap off a .44 mag round in one of the lighter guns, either. Can't say it's high on my to do list. :D

trickyasafox
December 25, 2005, 06:29 PM
i said 38sp its what i shoot best with in the firearms i own

Mad Magyar
December 25, 2005, 08:51 PM
I voted for the .357, but since I recently sold mine: I'm faced with my .45's using Skeeter's favorite: Federal Match 230gr Hardball. He once remarked he couldn't settle for 99% reliability w/JHP's and he knew this never failed him.
Damn, he sure could write with conviction...Finally finished two of his books...Happy Holidays..

longeyes
December 26, 2005, 02:51 PM
.45acp, no question. Not just the caliber, the platform (1911). I definitely shoot .45 better than any other caliber, including out of Glocks.

Stainless0ne
December 26, 2005, 06:12 PM
The 45 acp. knock him down and you can kick the sh*t out of him later. john

Javelin Man
December 26, 2005, 06:29 PM
I pick the .45 acp only because I can't carry a 3 inch ordnance rifle concealed. I'm not going to hitch up 6 horses to go into town just because I want a bigger weapon that particular day.

I'd pick the .357, but I can't handle the recoil. I'm a wimp! I can hold a .45.

McCall911
December 26, 2005, 06:51 PM
I chose .45 ACP only because that's the one I have "ready" at the present time. :evil:

Preacherman
December 26, 2005, 10:22 PM
If you only have one shot, you're deep in the dwang unless you hit the CNS, because historically it usually takes more than one shot to stop a determined opponent. However, I'll play by the rules, and choose .45 ACP in a good +P hollowpoint loading. Second choice would be a .357 Magnum, similar bullet.

psyopspec
December 27, 2005, 04:54 AM
Wow, .357 and .45ACP coming in with a tie at 245 apiece. Must be a THR record.

mnrivrat
December 27, 2005, 05:52 AM
Since it was sitting at a 245 - 245 between the .45 auto and .357 mag I felt privilaged to break the tie ! :neener:

McCall911
December 27, 2005, 05:59 AM
I chose .45 ACP only because that's the one I have "ready" at the present time. :evil:

But if I was down to just one round, I honestly wouldn't choose any of those listed.

k_dawg
December 27, 2005, 01:01 PM
I would choose the gun first, that which I am the most accurate and most instinctive with. The caliber comes later.

In my case, it would be a 1911. It could be in .45acp, 45super, 38super, 9mm, 10mm.. what ever.

A single shot needs to HIT first.

ParChaser
December 27, 2005, 03:03 PM
10mm should have been added to this list!

Rob62
December 28, 2005, 10:59 AM
With my just vote cast for the .357 Magnum the count is now 253 votes for the .357 and 253 votes for the .45ACP - back to a tie.

Now that's a lot closer than I thought it would be. But my second clear chioce is the .45ACP, so maybe I should not be too surprised.

Regards,
Rob

ChopperKen
December 28, 2005, 11:34 AM
I had to vote for the 357mag. My S.A.45acp is a great shooter at close range, But with my Dan Wesson 357 I can pick the spot out to 75 yards.
If the BG is farther than that I'm duckin and runnin for the rifle..
Ken