Why did I get a fired brass w/my pistol?


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hayseed
August 5, 2005, 07:16 AM
About 1-2 yrs ago I bought a new Ruger, and it came with a fired brass in a tiny manilla envelope. Who test fired it and why did they give me the brass? :confused:

(EDIT): Moderator, please feel free to move this thread if this isn't the appropriate place. I thought I was in General Discussions.

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foghornl
August 5, 2005, 07:30 AM
2 reasons...It is a 'proof round', showing that the handgun works as designed.

SOME states require any new handgun sold with a fired case from THAT gun, supposed to be given to (probably) State police or State Crime Lab for the so-called 'ballistic fingerprinting'

mete
August 5, 2005, 07:41 AM
Ballistic fingerprinting is in NY and MD that I know of . It has of course been proven a farce.MD wrote a report on it , do a search for that.

hayseed
August 5, 2005, 07:56 AM
I'm in Iowa. To my knowlege we don't have that fingerprinting crap. Am I wrong?

griz
August 5, 2005, 07:58 AM
Yep, "ballistic fingerprinting". An attempt to legislate the gun makers into solving crime. Hasn't worked too well.

dpesec
August 5, 2005, 08:09 AM
And neither will putting numbers on bullets and brass

Old Fuff
August 5, 2005, 08:22 AM
Slugs Ahoy:

No, In Iowa you don't. But the handgun manufacturers have no way of being sure where a particular gun will be sold because distributors ship to dealers all over the country. So to keep out of trouble they put a fired cartridge case into the box with every gun. This costs money of course, and when you bought your handgun you paid your share - for nothing.

All of this - cartridge cases with all of the handguns, so-called "bullet finger printing," and such has no useful purpose. It is simply another way the gun-grabbers have found to harass gunmakers and make guns more expensive for consumers.

Camjr
August 5, 2005, 10:00 PM
The fired brass that came with my XD40 makes a nifty keychain cigar punch :fire:

ajkurp
August 6, 2005, 12:26 AM
foghornl- it has nothing to do with proof testing.

It is another dotgov infringment of your human rights of privacy and self ownership.

cracked butt
August 6, 2005, 02:46 AM
In states that require 'ballistic fingerprinting' does the manufacturer send the fired case to the proper government agency, or is it the gun buyer's responsibility to do so? If its the latter, it seems that that the process is very open and welcoming to tampering. :scrutiny:

anapex
August 6, 2005, 10:25 AM
In MD the FFL sends the fired casing in to the state police. Can't trust the darn peasants to do it themselves. But that's only because most of us wouldn't :evil: . What bothers me is the program got defunded here and they STILL have to collect the casing because they wouldn't repeal the law for it.

Firethorn
August 6, 2005, 12:30 PM
I remember reading about cases where they found that a substantial number of those cases were not actually for the gun in the case. About 5% weren't even the right caliber ;).

Also, they've found that the 'signature' often changes significantly more during the breakin period, not to mention what a moment with a file(or emery board) could do, a barrel replacement, etc.

Heck, they couldn't even consistantly match up guns fired serially, when you changed the brand of ammo! So if the fired case was, say, WWB, and you switched to hydrashocks, they wouldn't match up.

And this was all done with ~200 guns in the test database. Can you imagine what the problem would be like with 200k in there?

Edit: Ah, found it (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,66007,00.html) , and my numbers were a bit off:

The report included the test firing of more than 2,000 rounds from 790 pistols.
When cartridges from the same manufacturer were test-fired and compared, computer matching failed 38 percent of the time. With cartridges from different manufacturers, computer matching failed 62 percent of the time.

Maryland and New York already require ballistic fingerprinting. So far it hasn't helped convict a single criminal in Maryland despite "fingerprinting" 17,000 guns sold since January 2000. New York hasn't had success either.

So much for ballistic fingerprinting all guns.

DRZinn
August 6, 2005, 01:57 PM
Heck, they couldn't even consistantly match up guns fired serially, when you changed the brand of ammo! So if the fired case was, say, WWB, and you switched to hydrashocks, they wouldn't match up.
Oh, that's an easy fix. Just ban all but one type of ammo, which must all be made to government specifications so as to be identical before firing.[/idiocy]

DelayedReaction
August 7, 2005, 01:30 AM
My gun was registered with the database. MD law even required that it be sold with an internal lock safety.

$50 later and I had a new extractor, an ILS-less mainspring housing, and a gun that mocked the millions of dollars spent on this moronic system.

Dionysusigma
August 7, 2005, 06:07 PM
A barrel change could be done, too. :)

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