Molon Labe is French?


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Monkeyleg
August 6, 2005, 02:29 AM
Honest to God, this guest columnist in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel got it this wrong. Maybe she was thinking about "moulin rouge."

Anyway, here's the link to a column that will make you sick: http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/aug05/345585.asp

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Justin
August 6, 2005, 02:33 AM
This is satire, right?

Zundfolge
August 6, 2005, 02:41 AM
The divisive mantras of "Bring it on," "With us or against us" and "Love it or leave it," along with the right wing conservative perception of do-gooders against evil-doers, promotes an "us" vs. "them" mentality.
So she promotes an "us" vs. "them" mentality as a means of combating an "us" vs. "them" mentality.


Liberals are funny

Myself
August 6, 2005, 02:42 AM
:D

Wow, realy makes me feel better about the other side. :rolleyes:

beerslurpy
August 6, 2005, 02:54 AM
No more than the Spartans who said "molon labe" were french.

Comparing the Spartans and King Leonidas to the French would get you beaten up in Tarpon Springs.

DeseoUnTaco
August 6, 2005, 03:57 AM
The overblown pseudo patriotism used to glorify war and imperialism, as well as the challenging cry of "mol on labe" ("Come and get them," i.e., the guns of the French Revolutionaries) from gun owners who freak out whenever any limitation of gun use is mentioned, foster hatemongering and retaliation.
Wow. "Mol on labe" doesn't even look like French. "Come and get them" would probably be "venez les prendre".

And Leonidas said molon labe as a rallying cry of freedom and independence. I'm sure that there were warriors there who did hate the enemy, and said things like "___ are a bunch of ___", " :cuss: so-and-so", etc. None of those cries have survived through the ages. The only cry that we remember was molon labe, which means "you will never take our independence, our spirit from us". It's a cry of power in the face of terrible odds.

dasmi
August 6, 2005, 04:05 AM
Someone please write and correct her incredibly inaccurate historical reference. I'd do it, but I'm not in a good mood, and probably would not be the best RKBA representative at this moment.

Byron Quick
August 6, 2005, 04:27 AM
I sent them an email outlining the following: Molon labe in Ms. Moore's article-wrong language, wrong country, wrong millenium. Please check her work very thoroughly in the future as she is apparently not only ignorant of basic history but unable to check her assertions on Google. Then I pointed out how such reflects on them.

Molon Labe
August 6, 2005, 08:02 AM
Me? French? Blasphemy! :neener:

1911 guy
August 6, 2005, 08:57 AM
and to every weenie out there looking for an excuse to water down history, the facts it proves and the ideas it fosters, everything is french or some other roll-over-and-die origin.

El Tejon
August 6, 2005, 09:21 AM
J School is a magnet for the ignorant and lazy.

Boats
August 6, 2005, 11:17 AM
Lois Moore of West Allis is a lifelong resident of Milwaukee County.

So too are vegetables of many other varieties.

4v50 Gary
August 6, 2005, 11:48 AM
She accredits the "low" crime rate during the Clinton Administration with more cops (100k cops). Yeah, and stupid me thought it was three strikes and more incarceration of criminal elements.

MarkDido
August 6, 2005, 11:51 AM
Nothing more than a thinly veiled "Guns are Bad, Bush is Bad, Clinton was Good" birdcage liner. :(

geekWithA.45
August 6, 2005, 11:53 AM
She also credited low crime with increased public spending.

Yup, bread and circuses will always pacify the shiftless ones for a while. At least until the next election cycle, that is.

Failure to bribe the poor = "promoting violence".

Good grief.

longeyes
August 6, 2005, 11:56 AM
It is astonishing who and what they will let onto the unrolled fishwrap these days.

Society's standards have been dropping for years. One more proof.

Hawkmoon
August 6, 2005, 11:58 AM
Journalists. I don't know what they teach journalists in school these days, but it ain't much.

In my local newspaper a few days ago, a columnist wrote a story about some local business that had finally shuttered its doors after a long history in the area. The writer used the phrase sic transit gloria mundi, meaning "Thus passeth the glories of the world." For those less erudite than himself, he then helpfully explained that the phrase was ... Italian :what:

Pilgrim
August 6, 2005, 12:26 PM
She accredits the "low" crime rate during the Clinton Administration with more cops (100k cops). Yeah, and stupid me thought it was three strikes and more incarceration of criminal elements.

It would be nice if it were true that there were an additional 100k cops on the street. However, I am quite sure a number of local governments did a money shuffle so they could use the money saved by using federal funds to hire a non-sworn position or two somewhere else.

Pilgrim

bogie
August 6, 2005, 12:44 PM
Guys, it was an editorial letter.

Any damn fool can write one.

Now, if we have anyone around who is greek, who wants to take a shot...

Waitone
August 6, 2005, 01:21 PM
I just dawned on me. One does not have to be a j-school gradiate to be an idiot. Idiocy is part of the limbic system. No high order thinking. Just neurons firing in a predetermined order. Voila: bilge.

I withdraw my demands to have someone tell me how I too can get paid to be an idiot. Seems the issue is genetic in origin.

Silver Bullet
August 6, 2005, 01:48 PM
At first I thought this was just the socialists being sore losers over the Senate S.397 bill to protect gun manufacturers from lawsuits.

Now I suspect this is the beginning of a PR campaign that will run between now and Congress voting on this bill, to try and persuade the public to pressure their congresscritters to reject it.

Stand by for a barrage of anti-gun crapola in the media between now and then.

Eightball
August 6, 2005, 02:00 PM
So she promotes an "us" vs. "them" mentality as a means of combating an "us" vs. "them" mentality.


Liberals are funny Amen. If "molon labe" came from the French, wouldn't it mean "we surrender"? :rolleyes:

viator
August 6, 2005, 02:35 PM
The editorial stated:

"mol on labe" ("Come and get them," i.e., the guns of the French Revolutionaries)


Sadly, as others have indicated, the writer is ignorant not only of history and google, but also of linguistics.

“molon labe” is two words in Greek, not three as written.

Putting the English transliteration back into the Greek alphabet, I would think that it would be literally translated: “Come, take [them]”. The word “them” is elliptical and is not required in the Greek idiom.

It is painful to view much of that which is found in print in our day.

thorn726
August 6, 2005, 05:00 PM
well at least this in the begininng puts proper credit on decreased crime, and doenst try to give gun control credit
"What changes were made in the '90s that coincided with reduced crime rates during the terms of former President Clinton?

Easy: increased federal funding for more police to walk inner city beats; efforts to find work for welfare recipients and provide education and skills training to the underprivileged to lift them out of poverty; funding for rehabilitation of criminals and drug addicts; and balancing the federal budget to stimulate job growth and financial security not only for individuals, but for state and local governments."


other than that, yeham pretty sad article

enfield
August 6, 2005, 06:05 PM
I thought it was Yiddish!

DeseoUnTaco
August 6, 2005, 06:12 PM
I thought it was Yiddish!
No, molon labe doesn't translate into Yiddish, but in Hebrew you can say "lo' aud".

Cosmoline
August 6, 2005, 06:35 PM
http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/saddles/images/chief.jpg

"Molon labe!"

Monkeyleg
August 6, 2005, 07:23 PM
thorn726, the increased federal funding for police officers ("100,000 new cops on the street") was overblown by the press. There were nowhere near that number of officers added to departments nationwide. One reason was the sliding scale of funding: departments would get X amount of dollars in the first year, and then progressively less every year until the department was entirely on its own.

Great PR for Clinton, but bad policy for cities.

Viator, thanks for the additional insight on the phrase, "molon labe." And welcome to THR.

In the Journal Sentinel's defense (I can't believe I'm actually saying that), the writer is one of about a dozen or so who were chosen to be regular guest columnists. Some of the others have their heads screwed on straight, but this "writer" has simply been drinking the kool-aid too often.

DRZinn
August 8, 2005, 01:23 AM
street violence and gang behavior, such as the Boston Tea Party,You've GOT to be kidding me.

Scarce entry-level jobs are mostly part-time or low-paying, full-time jobs without benefits. These jobs don't support families.Then don't try to support a family on an entry-level job. Zip it up or wear a glove.

Zundfolge
August 8, 2005, 01:32 AM
Then don't try to support a family on an entry-level job. Zip it up or wear a glove.

I've held at least a part time job continuously since the time I was 16 years old (which as of Tuesday will be 20 years).

In that time I made the "minimum wage" exactly 30 days ... the first 30 days of the first job ... then I got my first raise and have never been paid min-wage since then.

I am not extraordinary.

Always annoys me when liberals/socialists/progressives/Democrats talk like the minimum wage is designed to provide for a middle class family of 4 :rolleyes:

Balog
August 8, 2005, 03:06 AM
I think I've become stupider for having read that. And why does it not surprise me that she equates the Boston Tea Party with ethnic gang wars?

wingman
August 8, 2005, 09:50 AM
Perhaps she/he attended our local journalism school which is there for one purpose to whip young minds into mush. :D

Sleeping Dog
August 8, 2005, 10:36 AM
...gang behavior, such as the Boston Tea Party

Sort of like Thomas Jefferson and that gang of hooligans writing up some "gansta" rap and calling it a "Declaration of Independence". Read the list of grievances to a thumping bass beat and a scratchy turntable. Dissin' George Three, indeed!

John Hancock picks up the biggest quill he can find and bemoans "When will someone invent a can of spray paint so I can sign REALLY big?"

Pretty funny article.

Regards.

Silent-Snail
August 8, 2005, 10:50 AM
Sweet Jeebus that made my head hurt.

Monkeyleg I'd guess that watered down anti-freeze is a more likly suspect than Kool-Aid. :D

Boats
August 8, 2005, 12:56 PM
Didn't the Boston Tea Party goers dress up as Indian raiders? That's a modern day hate crime by golly.

Bartholomew Roberts
August 8, 2005, 01:29 PM
So why are we linking to anti-gun editorials anyway? So we can give them more hits (and more readers to show to their advertisers) than they would normally get?

If they say something that is really stupid it is usually better just to quote the stupid part for discussion. No point in teaching them that poking the gun nuts is an easy way to sell ad space.

ReadyontheRight
August 8, 2005, 01:53 PM
"mol on labe" ("Come and get them," i.e., the guns of the French Revolutionaries)

Actually -- the full French translation is "Come and take them...we have thrown them on the ground and our hands are up in zee air." :D

antarti
August 8, 2005, 02:50 PM
I always cringe seeing somebody mistake Cubans for Mexicans (they're Spaniards) because a fight is about to break out... but mistaking the Spartans for Frenchmen... Oh the humanity! :banghead:

And Beerslurpy is right, there are a couple names currently on the Tarpon Springs "unofficial lets get a wrecking crew together and give'em a a big thumping welcome list", but this one is getting added the next time I'm in town... totally persona-non-grata. ;)

I might just have to drive to that wonderful Hernando range in beerslurpy's neck of the woods and vent my frustrations on the 200 yard line, after printing out some of these new "milwaukee picture targets" from the web. :evil:

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