High Standard 1911?


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Browns Fan
August 6, 2005, 03:55 PM
Guys, I just came back from a gun show and this guy is selling these new 1911s made by High Standard for $399. He claim that they are made in an old Remington Rand factory in the Phillipines, and that these guns are all forged steel( no MIM). Anyone ever hear of these? Is this guy full of BS, or should I run back there and buy one?

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Hobie
August 6, 2005, 04:28 PM
Well, I guess I'm about to learn SOMETHING. Never heard of a Remington-Rand factory outside the US or of High Standard making 1911s. Did you get to look at the guns in question?

Browns Fan
August 6, 2005, 04:46 PM
Yeah, I did get a look at them. They are the GI-type, and appear to be well made, judging by the fit and finish. He may have said that the factory in the phillipines used factory machines purchased from Remington Rand. Sorry about the misunderstanding. :o

Dionysusigma
August 6, 2005, 04:49 PM
Sounds like either Rock Island Armory or S. A. M. to me.

Never heard of High Standard, though. :confused:

Browns Fan
August 6, 2005, 04:54 PM
Sorry again, I mean Hi Standard. The same guys who make the nice .22 autos.

ulflyer
August 6, 2005, 05:13 PM
Brownsfan, for goodness sake, go back to the Fayetteville show tomorrow and get one so you you can tell us more about them. I mean, that is your DUTY to keep us informed. And we want pictures too. :D

The Drew
August 7, 2005, 12:09 PM
If it is of GI configuration, I see no advantage over the springfield GI model. which comes in at a retail price at the same point ($399) Same goes for the Kahr/Auto Ordnance.

Lifetime warranty in the springfield makes them pretty attractive...

RoyG
August 7, 2005, 04:47 PM
This guy also told me RIA were substandard. Made out of weak steel.

He had a table full of Taurus handguns also. Claimed he had nothing but problems with them and they rarely shot more them 1500 rounds before having to go back to the factory for a complete rebuild. Said he lost money on every Taurus he sold because he had to send them back so many times.

He had a SA MC Operator I was looking at yesterday. Went back today to check it out. He had sold it. Then told me I was better off not buying it because it was not mil-spec. Took special non-standard parts in it. He did try to sell me the TRP Operator though. Claimed it was great and SA used only the best parts in it.

But he was pushing the Hi-Standards

Old Fuff
August 7, 2005, 06:34 PM
>> But he was pushing the Hi-Standards <<

He sure was ... :scrutiny:

Remington Rand was a government contractor that made guns during World War Two. After the war they went out of the pistol business and the machinery - which belonged to Uncle Sam - was for the most part shipped to Brazil. The old/original Hi-Standard company did make .45 barrels, but not complete guns. I could go on about this guy, but my time is too valuable. If you believe one word about what he said I have some desert property for sale ... :D

Double Maduro
August 7, 2005, 07:03 PM
this the one?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976593183.htm

DM

Double Maduro
August 7, 2005, 07:07 PM
Or go here,

http://www.highstandard.com/index.html

find the model and go to the price list.

The magazine article section is good too.

DM

Browns Fan
August 7, 2005, 07:28 PM
Double Maduro, yeah, that GunsAmerica link is it!

Quote:
"If it is of GI configuration, I see no advantage over the springfield GI model."

At the same gun show, the SA GI was going for $450.

Browns Fan
August 7, 2005, 07:54 PM
I just found this at the 1911forum:

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=115348

I guess it pretty much answered my question.

TODD3465
August 7, 2005, 07:54 PM
I'd of paid the $51 difference and got the SA Mil-spec.

Standing Wolf
August 7, 2005, 09:23 PM
The same guys who make the nice .22 autos.

Pleaes don't confuse the original Connecticut High Standard company with the Texas "High Standard" operation.

Browns Fan
August 7, 2005, 10:56 PM
Quote:
"Pleaes don't confuse the original Connecticut High Standard company with the Texas "High Standard" operation."

So what's the difference? Inquiring minds want to know. :confused:

Old Fuff
August 7, 2005, 11:38 PM
Browns Fan:

The original company made some very high-quality match grade handguns. But in 1984 they went out of business. The assets of the company, including the name and trademarks were bought up by others, who so far haven't produced a product that equals those made by their namesake. Of course consumers that didn't or don't know they are dealing with a company that hasn't lived up to its name have been or are being gyped.

The individual you met at the gun show fed you a line of .... :uhoh:

It may be said that the cheaper the product, the more outlandish the advertisements. Bottom-dollar copies of quality guns seldom give good service, at least for long. This applies to .22's as well as .45's. Ya' pay your money and the get what you've got coming.

As a number of posters have been trying to tell you, "there is no such thing as a free lunch ... "

The Drew
August 8, 2005, 01:33 AM
Just to restate... You're better off with a springfield GI... even at $50 more.

ulflyer
August 14, 2005, 09:18 AM
Why not buy an Armscor or RIA which seem to have good customer service.

May have been the same dealer at Raleigh yesterday; I stopped at a table, picked up a High Standard and before I could say anything the guy said it was a "teriffic gun, not like the POS Colts that wern't worth having". I told him he was full of crap and walked off without looking at anything else he had.

LtBlue425
August 5, 2006, 10:31 AM
I just encountered one of these new 1911's at a Cabelas store yesterday. Didn't know they existed but was very impressed by the fit and workmanship. Sticker price was $369 and Cabelas is always high on their prices.
I'm considering getting one if I can find it cheaper. :)

ugaarguy
August 5, 2006, 10:50 AM
The cheapest I've seen a SA GI new is $376.96 from Buds Gunshop. Adding $20 for FFL fee and $25 for shipping you're still lookin at $430. I figured the $400 I paid for a used SA GI w/ aftermarket hammer, trigger, thumb safety, and sights was a decent deal. The SA GIs are getting common so I'd look for a used one. Of course I prefer to buy used and let someone else eat the new to used depriciation. If you want a low priced 1911 http://www.sarcoinc.com/rockislands-new.html has the Rock Islands for $299.50. If your dealer charges the standard $20 fee, and you add $15 (sarco will ship USPS 2-3 priority mail) you're lookin at $335 for whats reported to be a good little GI type 1911.

Seven High
September 13, 2006, 11:35 AM
The Nov/Dec issue of American Handgunner has an interesting article comparing the Springfield Armory model to the High Standard model. Based on the article, I would buy the High Standard. Its cheaper, and has a lowered ejection port already.

screwman
September 13, 2006, 12:15 PM
High Standard had a table at Camp Perry when I was out there in July. Had some officers size that said prototype on them for 350. Almost snagged one, but chickend out.

Mike

45auto
September 13, 2006, 01:06 PM
Their "GI" model is made by RIA. Better looking IMHO.

I understand their "other" models, higher priced, are "made" in this country.
What that means, I have no idea or experience with them.

They need to differentiate their product lines better if they want to sell low and highend models under the same brand name. That's a "novice" marketing error.

candr44
September 13, 2006, 09:59 PM
A gun shop here had the R.I.A. and the High Standard side by side. They looked exactly the same except the name and the High Standard had checkering on the grips. One other thing they both had was made in the Philippines on the frame in front of the trigger gaurd.

Radioman
March 28, 2009, 12:24 AM
I have a Hi Standard M1011, shoots great, accurate, great trigger pull, bluing is iffy. Gives it "Character".

bluetopper
March 28, 2009, 11:48 AM
High Standard 1911's are made at the same Armscor plant in the Phillipines as is the Rock Island 1911's. The churn them out like cookie cutters.

Schleprok62
July 29, 2009, 10:16 PM
I just bought one... I like i so far... they are manufactured by Armscor, pretty tell tale sign of this is the two test fired pieces of brass shipped with each gun. It's clearly marked on the envelope "Armscor Precision Internationl, 150 N. Smartway, Pahrump, NV. 89060" with inspection details signed by the tester, and the serial number written on it. Handwritten, not a rubber stap... and then also on the "Inspection Certificate"

So far, it seems to be very well built... will have more once I get to tthe range with it...

Only comes with one magazine though... :(

jaysouth
July 30, 2009, 12:02 AM
Did not the real Hi-Standard company make M-1911s during WWI. I swear that I have seen one next to a M-1911 made by Remington Arms about the same era.

Jason Demond
August 11, 2009, 06:14 PM
I just bought one... I like i so far... they are manufactured by Armscor, pretty tell tale sign of this is the two test fired pieces of brass shipped with each gun. It's clearly marked on the envelope "Armscor Precision Internationl, 150 N. Smartway, Pahrump, NV. 89060" with inspection details signed by the tester, and the serial number written on it. Handwritten, not a rubber stap... and then also on the "Inspection Certificate"

So far, it seems to be very well built... will have more once I get to tthe range with it...

Only comes with one magazine though... :(

I know this thread is dated, but I can answer some this.

The lesser guns are Amrscor. Their high dollar guns are completely American made, including the Camp Perry model. The only downside of the American made guns, are that they have investment cast frames.

Did not the real Hi-Standard company make M-1911s during WWI. I swear that I have seen one next to a M-1911 made by Remington Arms about the same era.

They made barrels, and .22 target pistols. They also made silenced .22's for the OSS. They did not make a 1911. The Remingoton gun you saw, would have been a Remington Rand. It was a different company, and had absolutely no ties to Remington Arms.

Radioman
October 7, 2009, 01:59 PM
I bought my Hi Standard 1911 almost a year ago now. Killed a couple of hogs with
it, awesome stopping power up close. Blueing is really crappy now, rubs off in the
CQC holster real bad. Getting a new blue job on it, Hard blue.
Still a great gun!

doubs43
October 7, 2009, 02:45 PM
I bought a lightly used High Standard 1911 this past May. It's the straight GI model and the finish is phosphate (Parkerized). It's accurate, reliable and has a very good trigger. I'd buy another one if I was in the market for a 1911.

wilkersk
October 7, 2009, 05:00 PM
I know that the current company calling itself "High Standard" and owning the patents and trademarks of the old Hartford, CN company, does sell several models of M1911 clones. Where they are actually manufactured, I don't know.

http://www.highstandard.com/index.html


I also know that Armscor manufacturs pistol parts under contract for several US manufacturers.

I can't find any connection between Remington-Rand and the Philippines, other than the fact that M1911s were originally used to replace the .45LC in the jungles of the Philippines against the Moros.

MichiganShootist
October 7, 2009, 05:16 PM
IMO after handling the "High Standard" 1911.... they are not in the same league as a SA Mil-spec gun.

I agree with the post above and would guess that they are made from the same parts as the R. I. A guns.

magicmanmb
October 7, 2009, 10:30 PM
The ones with the Houston roll stamp are decent quality locally they are selling for $600.00. The frames including the one I have are marked S.T.I. they also purchased all the Harry Sanford AMT Patents. The AMT's have been greatly improved. I've run 25 FMJ and 25 JHP through mine no hiccups at all. The ejection port is lowered and flared. Shoots better than my Springer GI model no matter the mags. I'm about to trade mine for a .40caliber due to department change not any fault of the weapon. They just went to double stacks.

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