Smallest Reliable Pistol.


March 23, 2003, 11:00 PM
Berreta M-21 or something different?

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March 23, 2003, 11:14 PM
I know it's a ''cheapie'' but my Phoenix HP22 is pretty small and, if kept sufficiently clean is pretty reliable. Only .22LR but .... you can get em off pretty quick.

March 23, 2003, 11:27 PM
Is a Browning Baby not reliable?

March 23, 2003, 11:47 PM
.22LR - Phoenix Arms HP-22
.32ACP - Kel-Tec P32
9mm - Kel-Tec P11

Those the smallest that I have had experience with.

March 24, 2003, 12:07 AM
Afraid I've got to go with the P-32 based on my totally excellent experiences with it. There are smaller pistols that function well mechanically, but reliability criteria must include me using the pistol as a CCW.

March 24, 2003, 12:08 AM
I second the P32.

March 24, 2003, 12:12 AM
I third the P32.

March 24, 2003, 12:13 AM
For me, so far it's the Taurus PT-22. But my next purchase is the KelTec P-32.

March 24, 2003, 12:59 AM
P-32? Who want's a gun that you have to send back to the factory for a fluff and buff before it'll even work right? :confused:

March 24, 2003, 01:10 AM
Kahr MK9!!!

March 24, 2003, 01:11 AM
Jetfires are known for their reliability.

March 24, 2003, 01:24 AM
I haven't jammed my Colt vest pocket 1908 yet. (knock on wood)

Nor my FEG pa-63. (It's not small but it's light.)

March 24, 2003, 01:31 AM
My Colt Mustang has been 100% with every type of hollow point I have tryed.


Kahr carrier
March 24, 2003, 01:53 AM
My Naa Guardian 380 reliable so far.:D

March 24, 2003, 02:20 AM
Glock 26..:D

Rally Vincent
March 24, 2003, 02:24 AM
I second the Glock 26.

March 24, 2003, 05:39 AM
I have had great luck with the Jetfire.

Mr Jody Hudson
March 24, 2003, 05:48 AM
Keltecs; P32 and P11 both.

For those who have heard all the bad news about Keltecs. That is old news. The Keltecs of the past two years are perfect. And, Keltec still has the best and fastest customer service around.

I shot several thousand rounds in on of my P32s and a piece broke. It was fixed free and returned, no charge and an extra magazine came back with it. A note that the piece that had broken had been improved as well and that my replacement part was the improved part.

I shot several hundred rounds in my P11s yesterday and they function so well that I have them now in second place of all my guns -- only the Glock 19 has a higher place in my list as far as accuracy and capacity. But the G19 is so much larger...

March 24, 2003, 06:31 AM
I'm with Stevie-Ray.

Marko Kloos
March 24, 2003, 06:41 AM
The smallest pistol with a reputation for consistent reliability is the Beretta 950BS Jetfire.

Al Thompson
March 24, 2003, 07:35 AM
Beretta 950. Though a tested P32 is smaller (IMHO) and the one I fired, worked.

March 24, 2003, 08:12 AM
P-32? Who want's a gun that you have to send back to the factory for a fluff and buff before it'll even work right?

I wouldn't doubt there are those who have had issues concerning the reliability of the P32. However, mine has performed perfectly straight out of the box and 500+ rounds later . My bother-in-law's has worked flawlessly according to him and a good friend of mine is ecstatic with his.

From my personal experience, there has been no fluff & buff needed in order for the P32 to work right.

Needless to say where my vote goes.

Marko Kloos
March 24, 2003, 08:25 AM
The fluff-and-buff thing no longer seems to be necessary with the new P32s. Mine has performed 100% out of the box, not a single failure to date in six months.

March 24, 2003, 09:33 AM
My ancient P32 (ser # 035xx) was carried for 3 straight years and I shot about 1,000 rounds through it of almost every type with only a SINGLE malfunction. (RBCD "FTF" which I blame on the ammo) At times, I would load a mag with three totally unrelated ammo types, in an effort to make it malfunction, which it never did. I found the P32 to be easily the most technologically advanced pocket autoloader ever offered to the public at an affordable price. I'm drooling over the newly-rolled out P-3AT by Kel-Tec and expect it will be another winner. Do I sound like a fan of Kel-Tec products? You might say that!

Kentucky Rifle
March 24, 2003, 09:57 AM
Seecamp & Jetfire.~No problems, EVER!
A little larger~My own P-32 is a very early model. I never did the F&B. Works fine. But I take NO CHANCES on a rimlock even though I've fired lots of Gold Dots through it. It's loaded with Fiocchi FMJ's. NAA Guardian. Well that one did have to go back for a little tuning, however it's totally reliable now with everything I've tried. (And I've tried a lot of brands.)


March 24, 2003, 10:34 AM
Baby Brownings are reliable with ball.
Jetfires are reliable, period.
My P-32 is reliable with ball (can't say about HPs, haven't tried 'em).

Based on what I've read re: penetration, I wouldn't carry anything smaller than the P-32.

Baby Browning would be the smallest reliable autoloader of which I'm aware.

March 24, 2003, 10:40 AM
Bersa Thunder 380

$199, and it runs GREAT. Out of the first 300 rounds I fired, I had two misfeeds, that were ammo related. No failures since. (I haven't shot it much, tho)

I need to find some Gold dot to carry in her... and I need to get my freaking CHL soon....

March 24, 2003, 10:56 AM
Bersas, Kahrs and Glocks the SMALLEST reliable pistol? Wow, all those other little guns must be terrible if you have to get something that BIG for reliability.

March 24, 2003, 11:19 AM
My ancient P32 (ser # 035xx)...

I guess that makes mine downright archaic then... after all, I was the among the first to receive a P32 in my area. :D

#01361 (no, not really concerned about listing the complete seriel number; just too lazy to care).

Early model, and still no reliability issues.

March 24, 2003, 01:08 PM
It seems as if the Kel-Tec P-32 either works or it doesn't. Mine didn't work at first so I sent it back to the factory and it works perfectly now. I can now trust it to fire when I need it.

When they work, they are the smallest most reliable pistol.

March 24, 2003, 03:05 PM
Got mine a few weeks ago (100,0**). Had a few jams within the first 50 rounds. Since then (hundreds of rounds later) it works fine. Especially after breaking it down and giving it a good cleaning.

March 24, 2003, 03:10 PM
My Jetfire has been 100% reliable! Recommend them highly :cool:

March 24, 2003, 03:11 PM
My P-32 has been 100% reliable for hundreds of rounds with nothing done to it out of the box -- except clean and lube.

My P-40 has been similarly reliable with quality ammo and nothing done to it except a home-done feed ramp polish like I do to all my semi-autos.

March 24, 2003, 04:09 PM
Seems as if the two favorites are the P-32 and Jetfire.

For comparison, what are spec's? Size, weight , and ammo, price points.

I do have a P-11, been flawless, and word is Keltec's service is great. I did have a model 21, LEO bought it for his mom. I have handled but not not shot the P-32...and that was quite a while back.

Consideration: when one can't carry, but does. Kahaki's, shirt, no and people. His office does not have signage he can't, what if in calling on customers...well you know.

I do this with a P-11, or Jframe...He thinks he needs smaller.

March 24, 2003, 07:20 PM
Hi Guys,

For me:

.22LR NAA mini 1 1/4 bbl.
.32 LWS Seecamp
9mm Kahr PM9

(I would have said Colt Pocket 9 but it hasn't been too reliable for me. Others have noted differently.)


March 24, 2003, 09:53 PM
:fire: Berretta Minx in .22 short , used to carry it in my back pocket , in a flat holster, as a back up gun. Had it many years, shot it many times , with no problems. Always had .22 short hollow points in it. They don't sound like much, but I would hate to be shot with one.

March 24, 2003, 10:06 PM
P32 - No failures

HP22 - No failures

Makarov - No failures

March 25, 2003, 01:49 AM
Smallest, reliable handgun in my collection that I carry is my Keltec P11.
I used to have a Beretta 21A that's somewhat reliable, It gets finicky (mostly FTE's) usually after 300+ rounds through it. I think its due to the fact that it has no extractor, so when the chamber gets dirty, shells get stuck. The P11 never given me any problem.

March 25, 2003, 08:19 AM
For general full-time in-the-pocket concealability, nothing ever made touches the P32. I've carried and tried over a dozen pocket pistols over the years and the P32 is absolutely superior to any of the others. At a uniform 3/4" in width, it's just about the flattest autoloader ever made. At 9.9 oz and with a capacity of 8 rounds, it is easily the lightest most comfortable gun this die-hard pocket guy has ever carried. My 3-year old P32 went EVERYWHERE with me in an Uncle Mike's slightly modified size one pocket holster. I am now holding out for Kel-Tec's highly anticipated P-3AT, which is chambered for the .380 auto round.
It is desiged around the platform nearly indentical in size and weight to the P32. The gun has no external controls to confuse the owner in an emergency situation; Just draw and fire the 5 lb double-action trigger until the mag is MT or the threat is over.

March 25, 2003, 08:49 AM
P-32? Who want's a gun that you have to send back to the factory for a fluff and buff before it'll even work right?

I bought my P32 (Chrome slide, green grip) last fall. Other than cleaning and lubricating, I have done nothing to it. It has had a total of 4 "Failures to Eject" out of 150rnds, all with one brand of ammo (Magtech). It has been 100% reliable with RWS hardball ever since (150rnds or RWS and counting). I went all 300 rounds without cleaning it (other than wiping it down externally) and never had any problems other than a decrease in accuracy during the last 50rnds.

I consider the P32 reliable.


March 25, 2003, 09:03 PM
Ok P32 it will be!


March 26, 2003, 09:33 AM
another vote for the p32 - mine has had no problems whatsoever in about 500 rounds fired (HP, FMJ, even mixed mags).

I've also got a P11 that has had absolutely no problems.


Kentucky Rifle
March 26, 2003, 11:29 AM
..that I did have one problem with my P-32. I ordered a metal guide rod. The slide would just go about half way to the mag...and stop. Didn't even START to strip the round from the mag. I got out the ol' Dremal tool and polished that rod until it looked like a mirror. Still, the slide stopped. I called Kel-Tec and they sent me a new metal rod plus a new guide for the slide. (FREE) It STILL didn't work properly! I took this as an omen. I called Kel-Tec back and ordeed three new plastic guide rods for "just in case". They sent me the rods and springs at no cost and I put them in my range bag. That's been about a year ago and the original plastic rod hasn't broken yet, but I'm prepared if it ever does.


April 13, 2003, 12:33 AM
I've had very reliable performance from:

Kahr PM9
Beretta 950, as long as it's kept clean.
Taurus PT22
Guardian 32, OK most of the time

Even though I SWORE I would never buy another Kel-Tec P32, I bought 1 after reading so many posts about how the bugs have been worked out of the newer guns. So far so good. Keeping my fingers crossed (which makes pulling the trigger difficult!)

April 13, 2003, 02:01 AM

Autauga failures, yet...but then again I havent shot it much, and have only had it a couple weeks...but for the price, they are worth considering. 199 CDNN investments.

David S
April 13, 2003, 07:53 AM
P32 is definantly a winner..........its my all the time carry..............but i have a german PPK. 32 coming my way soon, it will probably be my "dress up" conceal carry

April 13, 2003, 10:01 AM
KEL-TEC P32 !!!!! You will NOT be disappointed !!!!!

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