Interesting article in Sundays Parade Newspaper Insert


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kbr80
August 8, 2005, 01:47 AM
Interesting. I about blew a gasket when I read it.

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Pilgrim
August 8, 2005, 02:02 AM
My home has both.

Pilgrim

Ironbarr
August 8, 2005, 02:07 AM
I take umbrage at the "statistic", 'thousands'.

Balog
August 8, 2005, 03:00 AM
The implication being that if they do have one of those eeevvviiilllll guns, you shouldn't let your kids play there. Grrrr.

scbair
August 8, 2005, 09:49 AM
If anyone asks, I'll reply, "Of course I have a firearm. Don't you?" When the blissninny (it's likely that only a blissninny would ask the question) gasps, "No!", I'll immediately advise said blissninny that I cannot allow my child to play at any home where the so-called adults are unwilling to accept responsibility for the well-being and security "of the children." :D

foghornl
August 8, 2005, 09:54 AM
I am VERY surprised about that "hit piece" NOT being in my Sunday paper, the "Cleveland Plain Dealer".

The "Plain Dealer" should be renamed something like "Pravda", since it such a leftist liberal rag. The editor in chief is one of those who thinks that names, ages & county of residence of CCW holders should be published.

Old Fuff
August 8, 2005, 10:18 AM
"Parade" tends to see life through liberal/left-wing eyes. Therefore one should not be suprised to see this sort of thing. Anyway, if you want to get back at them don't get mad ...

Just make a list of the advertisers and send each an e-mail telling them you were deeply offended by what you see as an unfair presentation of the issue.

"Parade" needs those advertisers, and will take notice - so hit 'um where it hurts ... :evil:

mhdishere
August 8, 2005, 10:41 AM
Is that an article? It looks like an ad to me, in fact it looks familiar and since I don't get newspapers I know I didn't see it this week in Parade....

MatthewVanitas
August 8, 2005, 10:55 AM
This begs the question: how many children are killed or mangled by dogs every year?

I should go Google up that info and see what I get. I'm not saying that there aren't children hurt by guns, but I know more people with facial scars from childhood dog attacks than I know people with scars from childhood firearm accidents.

Rebar
August 8, 2005, 11:14 AM
Just talking to your child about the dangers of firearms is not enough. Children are naturally curious. If a gun is accessible in someone's home, there is a good chance a child will find it and play with it.
http://www.askingsaveskids.com/
For too long, gun violence in America has been perceived as a partisan political debate rather than what it really is - an urgent public health crisis that is claiming the lives of 8 children every day.
http://www.paxusa.org/pax_mission.html

Another "non-partisan" front for the gun grabbers, designed to stigmatize and marginalize gun ownership as "unhealthy" and a threat to "normal people".

TarpleyG
August 8, 2005, 11:25 AM
According to http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/qa.html:
The total number of children killed by abuse of firearms (handguns, shotguns, and rifles) in the USA is between 600 and 800 a year.
That is a biased source of course and it does not address the issue of the number of injuries. However, I doubt the number of both injuries and deaths combined is in the thousands.

Greg

raghorn
August 8, 2005, 11:33 AM
I wonder how many of the "children" in that statistic are gang members?

scubie02
August 8, 2005, 12:05 PM
I agree, I bet more kids are injured or killed by dogs every year than handguns.

Personally, I'm not sure if I had kids I'd want the kids of parents who would actually ask whether I have guns as though its a bad thing coming over and contaminating my kids with their pinko views anyway...

although honestly most kids aren't that stupid. kids who are raised around guns know how silly it is that some people are so afraid of them.

Oleg Volk
August 8, 2005, 12:23 PM
At this point in time, Pravda seems less socialist than any of the major urban US newspapers. Wall Stree Journal seems to be the only readable daily I can think of, the rest read like Pravda of the 1970s.

Example: http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/365/15938_EU.html

Greg L
August 8, 2005, 12:25 PM
My oldest went on his first "date" a couple of weeks ago (went to the county fair by himself & met the girl & her family there). When he came downstairs to have me give him a ride over there he was wearing his Knob Creek t-shirt.

My reactions were something along the lines of ... :uhoh: .... :scrutiny: .... :confused: .... oh what the hell, if they're a bunch of anti's it is probably better to know it up front :evil: .

He had a good time apparently & they're still talking :cool: .

dolanp
August 8, 2005, 12:26 PM
Just say, "Why yes I do. I've also got a car, some buckets, a bathtub, a bike, and various chemicals under my sink, all of which are more likely to cause an accidental death. Don't worry though, I take my responsibility as a parent seriously."

cobb
August 8, 2005, 12:49 PM
They say that 1000's of children die accidently each year from guns?

Here is fact sheet from the CDC that I like to show people.

Justin
August 8, 2005, 12:51 PM
Paid ad. Pax has been doing this sort of thing for at least five years or so.

The Real Hawkeye
August 8, 2005, 12:59 PM
Since the 1940s, accidental deaths due to firearms have gone DOWN dramatically, while during the same period, firearms ownership has gone UP dramatically. Interesting that in this context ads such as this appear.

rock jock
August 8, 2005, 01:15 PM
Just talking to your child about the dangers of firearms is not enough. Children are naturally curious. If a gun is accessible in someone's home, there is a good chance a child will find it and play with it. All the more reason to make sure your child does not have a dangerous curiousity about guns.

Ideally, if my son ever visits some friend's house in the future, and that kid gets his father's gun, my son will say "first, you need to take your finger off the trigger, quite waving the gun around, and check to make sure it is unloaded, second, my dad has much nicer guns than that, so I am not impressed, and third, my dad has told me to always have a responsible adult around when I handle a firearm, so if you don't put that away I am leaving."

These blissninnies would be horrified to learn that this weekend, in my presence, my four y.o. son loaded a 1911 magazine all by himself and properly inserted it into my Kimber CDP.

Greg L
August 8, 2005, 01:43 PM
Paid ad. Pax has been doing this sort of thing for at least five years or so.

And to think that I used to think so highly of her....

:neener:

MatthewVanitas
August 8, 2005, 01:48 PM
"Unfortunately, a few dogs do not live up to their image as mankind's best friend, and an estimated 4.5 million peope are bitten each year, although the actual number injured is unknown. Approximately 334,000 people are admitted to US emergency departments annually with dog bite-associated injuries, and another 466,000 are seen in other medical settings. An unknown number of other people who have been bitten do not sustain injuries deemed serious enough to require medical attention. Still another group of individuals is not represented by these data, those that incur injuries secondary to a bite or attempted bite. For example, a jogger may trip and break an arm while fleeing from a threatening dog.

Of concern too are the demographics of typical dog bite victims. Almost half are children younger than 12 years old. People more than 70 years old comprise 10% of those bitten and 20% of those killed... (pg 1733)

Seventy percent of fatal dog attacks and more than half of bite wounds requiring medical attention involve children. The most vulnerable youngsters are 5- to 9- year old boys... (pg 1741)

-"A Community Approach to Dog Bite Prevention" by American Veterinary Med Ass'n, JAVMA Vol 218, No. 11, June 1, 2001


The National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Humane Society of the United States recently updated data on fatal dog bites for the period 1989 to 1994.
In the 6-year study published in the medical journal PEDIATRICS (Vol.97 No. 6, 891-5), Jeffrey J. Sacks, M.D. and associates reported the finding of 109 bite-related fatalities. They found that 57% of the deaths were in children under 10 years of age. 22% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog OFF the owner's property. 18% of the deaths involved a restrained dog ON the owner's property, and 59% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog ON the owner's property. ) - "Fatal Dog Attacks" www.medicinenet.com,

RoyG
August 8, 2005, 04:29 PM
ASK Day 2005 will take place on Tuesday, June 21, the first day of summer, a time of year when children play more often in other homes.

I guess I missed the memo about this...

pax
August 9, 2005, 02:26 PM
Paid ad. Pax has been doing this sort of thing for at least five years or so. And to think that I used to think so highly of her....

LOL~! :D

That's PAX, not pax.

Pax packs.

A pox on PAX.

pax

iamkris
August 9, 2005, 02:44 PM
More statistics on dog bites

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

The number of victims.
A survey by the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta ("CDC") concluded that dogs bite nearly 2% of the U.S. population -- more than 4.7 million people annually. (Sacks JJ, Kresnow M, Houston B. Dog bites: how big a problem? Injury Prev 1996;2:52-4.)
Almost 800,000 bites per year -- one out of every 6 -- are serious enough to require medical attention. (Weiss HB, Friedman D, Coben JH. Incidence of dog bite injuries treated in emergency departments. JAMA 1998;279:51-53.)
Dog bites send nearly 334,000 victims to hospital emergency departments per year (914 per day). (National Center for Health Statistics National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey for 1992-1994. See also the CDC update of much of that research, focusing on the year 2001, in which it was established that the number of people treated in emergency rooms was 368,245. CDC releases epidemiologic survey of dog bites in 2001 - September 15, 2003.)
Bites to children represent more than 50 percent of the total number cases.
26% of child-victims -- compared with 12% of the adults -- require medical care. (Ibid., National Center for Health Statistics, above.)
Getting bitten by a dog is the second most frequent cause of injury to children. (Weiss HB, Friedman DI, Coben JH. "Incidence of dog bite injuries treated in emergency departments," JAMA 1998;279:53.)
Every year 2,851 letter carriers are bitten. (US Postal Service.)
An American has a one in 50 chance of being bitten by a dog each year. (CDC.)

The number of fatalities.
In the US from 1979 to 1996, 304 people in the US died from dog attacks, including 30 in California.
The average number of deaths per year was 17.
Most of the deceased were children. ("Dog-Bite-Related Fatalities -- United States, 1995-1996," MMWR 46(21):463-467, 1997.)
The chances that the victim of a fatal dog attack will be a burglar are one in 177; the odds that it will be a child are 7 out of 10.

And from my favorite liberal lie buster www.gunfacts.com

Fact: In 2001, there were only 72 accidental firearm deaths for children under age 15,
compared with over 2,100 kids that drowned (29 times as many drowning deaths as
firearm deaths) [127 Center for Disease Control, 20 Leading Causes of Unintentional Injury Deaths, United States, 2001, All
Races, Both Sexes, Ages: 1-14]

RavenVT100
August 9, 2005, 03:38 PM
The worst one (by far) of those ads was the one that said "Ask your neighbors if they keep guns, or dress your kids appropriately" and it showed a little girl wearing a Kevlar vest.

We truly are a group of people against whom discrimination is politically correct these days.

GunGeek
August 9, 2005, 08:21 PM
For too long, gun violence in America has been perceived as a partisan political debate rather than what it really is - an urgent public health crisis that is claiming the lives of 8 children every day.

The total number of children killed by abuse of firearms (handguns, shotguns, and rifles) in the USA is between 600 and 800 a year.

Last I checked there were 365 days in a year... you would think the people who get together to write these lies would atleast compare notes!

doger5
August 10, 2005, 02:24 PM
If I could get a bullet proof vest in **********! They banned those from the general public after the North Hollywood BofA robbery. Because bad guys were going to use them in crimes. :banghead:

brian roberts
August 11, 2005, 09:21 PM
But HOSPITALS "kill" over 100,000 each year, children included. :rolleyes:

GunGoBoom
August 11, 2005, 09:30 PM
Yeah, cobb, by looking at the CDC chart/stats there (55% of children die in car accidents, 1% guns), then if this PAX group was TRULY interested in saving children's lives, they would be spending their hard-'earned' dollars for full-page ads that say something like "watch how your kid's friend's parents drive before letting your kid ride with them" or "make them take a driving test", not scaring the sheeple about guns. Although it's not a bad idea to remind your friendly neighbor that the munchkins will be over and are all the guns put up? (if you think they're nincompoops), this fact tells me that PAX is just a front for the gun banners; nothing else.

ajax
August 11, 2005, 09:43 PM
i beleive that the ad is typical liberal crap but can you say for sure the place your child plays has someone as responsible with firearms as you feel you are. Unfortunatly for gun owners their are morons who aren't and give these liberals ammo to make these dumbass ads. :banghead:

bogie
August 12, 2005, 12:23 AM
1) That's not an article. It's an ad. ANYONE can pay to have an ad, saying anything, run.

2) I'd be happy they had a 1911 instead of a piece of tupperware.

3) I'd also ask about swimming pools and household chemicals.

Rebar
August 12, 2005, 01:25 AM
1) That's not an article. It's an ad. ANYONE can pay to have an ad, saying anything, run.
Good point. Why aren't we running ads?

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