What is African carry?


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Classified00
March 24, 2003, 01:02 AM
Greetings all :cool:

I had a local gunsmith do away with the "dimples" on my 870's magazine tube and installed a 2 round extender from Scattergun Tech/Wilson. The extension came with a sling ...... thingy. I had my smith install a swivel connection on bottom of the stock as well. I have been debating whether or not to use a sling. While researching here and on TFL for some inspiration, I came upon the term "African Carry". Could someone please describe how that's done?

By the by, I chose the mag extender with the sling ..... thingy on the side and had the swivel installed on the bottom. I figure that one of these days I may decide to try a 3 point sling and if that's the case, all I have to do is have another swivel installed on the side. Anyone else try this this configuration?

Thanks!
Brent...
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jthuang
March 24, 2003, 12:26 PM
Erick's got it ... I would add one more disadvantage over American Carry.

Presumably, you are also carrying a handgun as a sidearm, on your strong side. Standard African Carry means you have your SG on your support side and your handgun on your strong side. For weapon retention purposes, you'd prefer both SG and pistol on the same side, so you can blade that side away from your attacker and not present him/her with easy access to one of your guns. With African Carry, you can't present a side (strong or support) to your attacker that doesn't have a gun on it.

There is nothing to say that you can't use African Carry on the same side as your sidearm. However, that usually results in contact between your SG and your handgun. Same with American Carry with SG and handgun on the strong side.

Justin

firestar
March 24, 2003, 01:34 PM
As decribed, "African carry" is carried opposite shooting shoulder muzzle down. It works best with short bbl guns like 18" shotguns and carbins, longer bbls can bang rocks and stick in the ground everytime you move or bend.

This is my favorite type of carry for shorter rifles and shotguns that don't have scopes.

Try it, you'll like it.

Dave McCracken
March 24, 2003, 08:55 PM
African carry I use when going in on a stand or stillhunting. American carry when I'm just walking or dragging something out.

African's more like a ready position, American's a carry position, for me at least.

Try them both and see what works for you...

HTH...

CWL
March 24, 2003, 09:34 PM
I prefer African carry to American carry because it doesn't get in the way of your sidearm and frees up your strongside hand.

Coronach
March 25, 2003, 01:01 PM
CWL has a major point. One of the advantages of African Carry is the fact that it keeps the SG away from your sidearm. If you're in duty gear, there is a decent chance that the sidearm will project far enough out that it will bump/scrape/interfere/drift-sights against the SG.

African carry is supposedly faster to get into action than American carry as well. THis is all theoretical to me, so I might be wrong... I don't use American carry as it interferes with my sidearm, and I don't use African carry as it interferes with my walkie mic (left epaulet) and my baton (weak-side, directly opposite my sidearm). I have yet to find a satisfactory sling arrangement.

Mike

El Tejon
March 25, 2003, 02:15 PM
Mike, just walk around with scramble carry. The chief will love that.:D

Another advantage to Afrikan carry is that it is "low profile". When sheople/media are about, a shoulder weapon in Afrikan carry does not stick out as much.;)

Oh, yeah, what I said about "African carry" being grabbing up Louis Awerbuck and running around the range with him in another thread was just a joke.:D Don't try that at home, kids. "Herrre's a cluuue for youuu."

Coronach
March 25, 2003, 04:41 PM
I just carry at UK ready. If the media is about, I figure that toting the Ninjagun so obviously will increase the chances that I'll be able to watch myself on the 11 o'clock news. :D

Mike

El Tejon
March 25, 2003, 10:53 PM
Mike, when you use Rhodesian (Road-dee-zee-ee-en) carry, do you speak with the accent, run with your knees up and salute palm out?

Chief: "Uh, O.K., let's serve this warrant for Receiving a Stolen Cow. Let's block off this street and move those scout cars around back."
Mike: [accent, saluting palm out] "Yes, sgt. maay-jehrrr, straight away." [Mike running off with UK carry with knees up] "Come on, lads, this way, riiiiight."

:D

Coronach
March 26, 2003, 12:39 AM
Who posted pictures of me running that 5k with my recruit class? ;)

Actually, I have ALWAYS said that my cruiser (no scout cars here) should have "theme days." You know, British, French, Cajun, etc...the funniest possibility we've come up with was 'Crocodile Hunter Day'.

"Crikey! This ones a FIGHTER! Hees running westbound, blimey, he's a biggun! 6 foot 4 if he's an inch! he's got a BRILLIANT blue coat with these khaki-colored legs...that blue coat indicates what pack he belongs to. Lookit that knife! Sharp, that thing is...and ooooh....he's got blood on it! He's 'ad a recent kill by the looks of 'im!"

My partner nixed this idea. She cited a desire to remain gainfully employed. Wimp!

Mike

Justin
March 26, 2003, 03:21 AM
I really dig African carry. For me, it seems to be the fastest way to get a long arm up and ready. Seems slightly faster than drawing a handgun from concealment. (Yeah, yeah, two different animals, but that should give a good idea of about how fast it is.)

Mike, why do I get the feeling that with you, 'Supertroopers' isn't just a movie?:p ;)

El Tejon
March 26, 2003, 08:10 AM
Mike, may I suggest "Springfield Police Department" theme day.

"Suspect is hatless. I repeat, hatless."

"That's good work, boys."

:)

El Tejon
March 26, 2003, 09:03 AM
:eek:

I'm freakin' out, man.

TreeSquid
March 26, 2003, 01:58 PM
Are you laughing at me!? YOU STOP LAUGHING RIGHT MEOW!

Coronach
March 26, 2003, 05:50 PM
In the grand scheme of things, that was a very dumb movie. However, there are some aspects of it that are undeniably true. If you give cops enough free time, that is exactly the sort of activity that will ensue.

Slow day? Not when you can have Fun With Radio!

84: "Eight Four, I'm pulling up!!!!!"

Supervisor (sounding bewildered, having been disturbed out of his March Madness basketball game by the yelling over the radio): "Supervisor 1, what does he have?"

Dispatch: "Uhm...he's on a theft report, sir."


Meow.

foghornl
March 27, 2003, 02:05 PM
Coronach:

When you have French Day, do you only drive in reverse?

Or on Cajun Day, replace the transmission fluid with File`Gumbo? and serve Boudain & Eggs for breakfast?

:evil: :evil:


Sorry, had to let out a bit of my Cajun past (Grandfather on Mom's side was from outside Slidell, LA)

Matt G
March 27, 2003, 10:45 PM
At least Mike's department is enlightened enough to put slings on their SGs as an option. When you actually find the burglar and go to put hands on him, it's nice when you can put BOTH hands on him, and sling the SG. Even with portable radio at 9 o'clock, monkey mic on left epaulet, baton at 8 o'clock, open mag pouch at 7:30, and cell phone and body mic at 10:00 o'clock, I can make Africa carry work sometimes, but our P.D.'s brass think that slings "get in the way." :rolleyes:

Mike, the hollering thing is wayyyyy uncool, man! :) That manuever has caused me more than once to snarf my coffee and think,"Well, see if *I* ever take *HIS* happy butt seriously, again!"

The best is still running 10-27 for white other female, phoenetic spelling: Henry Ocean, first name: Paul Henry Adam Tom, and getting the Dispatch to say, "No record in RTS Database for Phat Ho." :D

Nematocyst
April 11, 2007, 07:51 AM
Why the bump?

Because this thread represents what THR was 4 years ago,
and can be again: serious weaponry couched in a fun learning environment.

I'm freakin' out, man.

Or on Cajun Day, replace the transmission fluid with File`Gumbo?
and serve Boudain & Eggs for breakfast?Can I get a side of bacon with that?

Oh, yeah, and some hash browns?

I'm going to need another cup of coffee, also.

Mike, the hollering thing is wayyyyy uncool, man! That manuever has caused me more than once to snarf my coffee and think,"Well, see if *I* ever take *HIS* happy butt seriously, again!"Me? Afrikan carry (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3283615&postcount=315).

Like Justin said,

I really dig African carry. For me, it seems to be the fastest way to get a long arm up and ready. Seems slightly faster than drawing a handgun from concealment. (Yeah, yeah, two different animals, but that should give a good idea of about how fast it is.)Um hmm. :cool:

Fred Fuller
April 11, 2007, 09:38 AM
El T, you ain't right, maybe you ain't never been. The idea of somebody grabbing up Louis and toting him off down the line when asked to demonstrate African carry slays me.

I will never forget him looking me up and down while standing on the 50-yard line doing slug sighters and saying, "Well, if I grew another foot and put on another 100 pounds, then I could stand there like the freaking Statue of Liberty and shoot slugs into one hole too."

:D

lpl/nc

oletymer
April 11, 2007, 12:12 PM
Is all this what Imus was talking about.

ball3006
April 11, 2007, 04:00 PM
I have been carrying my rifles that way for 40 years.........it is a whole lot quicker to the shoulder than GI carry.....chris3

Coronach
April 11, 2007, 10:44 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

I had completely forgotten about this.

I STILL think we should have theme days.

Mike :D

Coronach
April 11, 2007, 10:50 PM
Oh, and I am now a firm believer in the single-point sling, at least if you have to carry a bunch of grabby snaggy tangly gear on your waist. It might get old if you have to march with the weapon or carry it around all day, but for a LEO who does not have to walk into and out of battle and will be using it mostly as a way to have the longarm at the ready for fairly short periods of time (and to be able to dump it for a transition without bouncing it off of the deck), it is pretty much perfect.

Mike

GRIZ22
April 11, 2007, 10:59 PM
I really dig African carry. For me, it seems to be the fastest way to get a long arm up and ready.

I agree. We had EZ Slings (best tactical sling in my opinion) for our M4s and MP5s. I found that African Carry was the best way for a shotgun that you're going to pull out of the trunk or backseat. Tactical slings get a bit of getting used to if you don't use it regularly.

Trying to figure out some tactical slings is hard sometimes. Some of them look like they were designed by Frederick's of Hollywood.

Stretchman
April 12, 2007, 12:48 AM
I have the EZ sling as well. I like it. African carry was initially designed for when it was raining, or you were walking under canopy and didn't want to foul the barrel. Clear open skies meant american carry, at least for people who used slings a lot. American carry is easier on you normally.

Most people who don't have to carry a weapon all day for days on end don't really need a sling, but they are tops in gear for readiness. That being said, a 3 point sling that can be converted to be used as a two point, like the ez sling, is tops on my list. Single point slings really only work well for the smaller weapons, and can put a lot of strain on your shoulders if you carry a heavier gun.

There is no one size fits all sling, but the ez sling, being able to do two and three point, for me, fits most any situation I might use it for.

Sorry about being away for so long. I have been studying. With the advent of the no code requirement for ham radio, I have upgraded my licensing to general class, as of yesterday, and am working on my extra class and my commercial tickets. Just another tool in the box in case the shtf. I have put buying an AR on the back burner as well, as I have to upgrade my radio. Most of my gear has been neglected so long that it isn't in proper working order. I have my work cut out for me

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