.10 Eichelberger Dart


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TMM
August 9, 2005, 05:31 PM
Hey all, i was messing around on ammoguide.com and i found a few sub-.22lr cartridges that i've never heard of, the .10 Eichel. dart being one among them [others were .10 Eichelberger Long Rifle, .10 squirrel, and .12 squirrel...] ... so i'm wondering: what rifles/pistols has this been chambered in? is it still in use? is the ammo scarce?

i'm also wondering about the effectiveness of the puny .10cal bullet, prolly weighs around 10 grains too. :scrutiny:...

thanks
~TMM

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VARifleman
August 9, 2005, 05:35 PM
I don't think any commercial gun was made in that. Just people that would have the barrel replaced and do the case resizing themselves would have it.

TMM
August 9, 2005, 05:54 PM
i guess that makes sence, since those loads i mentioned don't have any ballistic info...

for some reason, it seems like it would be really cool to have a .10 caliber gun. completely useless, but...

oldman357
October 9, 2009, 08:26 PM
10 Eichelberger Squirrel is a necked down .22 hornet
7.2 win 748 6.5 grains 3924 FPS
10 grain H380 6.4 grains 3290

12 Eichelberger Carbine is a necked down (to .123 inch) 30 carbine case
10 grain H335 13.8 grains 4390 FPS
11.5 grain H335 13.5 4145 FPS

14 Eichelberger Dart (I want this one so bad!) is a necked down (to .144 inch ) 25 ACP
10.0 grain Accurate Arms 9 3.5 2967 FPS
12.7 H110 3.2 2614
13.0 H110 3.3 2692


he also necked down a .22 rem jet a 218 bee and a 222 magnum down to .144 inch


the 14/222 E Mag pushes a bullet over 4000 FPS in a second.

SSK (http://www.sskindustries.com/ ) is a good bet for a sub-caliber barrel. you would need a custom cleaning rod and a leather punch to make the 3/8 patches needed for the tiny barrel. Can you tell i have a man crush on Mr. Eichelbergers work?

Montana Andy
October 10, 2009, 02:11 AM
I have a good friend who is in the process of having a .14 cal and a .12 cal rifle built. He called it to my attention that Mr. Eichelberger also wrote three books on the sub-calibers. Would anyone have any information about any of those books, or where one might find a copy of them?

dirtyjim
October 10, 2009, 10:59 AM
pac-nor will chamber their barrels in 14-221 they will also do it with a no turn neck.
i've been wanting to do a 14-221 for a while.

MachIVshooter
October 10, 2009, 11:58 AM
They're neat, but no, they don't have a ton of practical use. Though the initial velocities are quite high, the featherweight bullets slow very rapidly. Even with a MV of well over 4,000 FPS, the little 10 and 12 caliber bullets are not going to be effective for any pest much over 3-5 pounds, and only at relatively short ranges. Trust me, as an avid shooter of the .17 Remington, you have to recognize the limitations of sub caliber bullets. The .17 rem uses a bullet much heavier than the 10 and 12 caliber guns, and fired at a MV well into the 4k range. Still not very effective past 300 yards as a praire dog rifle. I just like it because I can watch everything happen through the scope, since there is very, very little recoil.

renegade1alpha
October 11, 2009, 03:16 AM
Why? It would be more trouble than its worth, UNLESS you just REALLY REALLY wanted one. Then that is a different story. I personally want a SERBU shorty and have been told that it is totally impractical. But I want one!

As far as I am concerned then that is a good enough excuse for me.

MikeJackmin
October 11, 2009, 09:58 AM
I want a .10 CB cap for killing flies.

Brian Williams
October 11, 2009, 11:07 AM
here are a few pictured
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=106330&stc=1&d=1254253421

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