[Shrinkmd]

Not that choice is bad, but...

I am trying to select my first 9mm, primarily for the range and HD. I have read many posts touting glock vs sig vs cz, also beretta lovers and S&W 3rd generation. Plastic vs all steel. The choices go on and on.

How concerned should I be about all this stuff? Besides the bad luck of getting a lemon from any particular brand, should I just fondle (shooting is difficult, no local ranges which rent in NJ) as many as possible, decide how much I want to spend, and just go for it? Some people seem to think that if you don't get a glock you are missing out on the best thing since sliced bread or something, and that if you don't get the sig it's too bad you couldn't afford it. Just when I thought picking out investments was bad, this 9mm stuff is worse.

Thanks!

[The Drew]

I would consider the CZ line, Since you're in NJ and unlikely to ever get a CCW permit, then look at the 75b It is a full size gun, with 15/16 round capacity DA/SA and you can carry hammer down or cocked and locked.

Very reliable and inexpensive.

[cookekdjr]

Range plus home defense = carry weight is not an issue = don't consider polymer guns b/c all steel guns will be more comfortable to shoot.
I'd fondle a Browning/FN Hi-Power, a Sig p226, and a CZ 75b.
Buy the one that fits your hand the best.
-David

[scubie02]

meh, six of one, half dozen of the other

They are all fine--pick the one that feels best to YOU. Everyone who responds will have their preference, but you are the one that will be shooting it.

I have owned and fired numerous Sig's, a Walther P99, Hipowers, CZ-75's, etc--all were reliable. Any one of them might have been someone's favorite ergonomically--I've seen people come out for every one of them as being the most comfortable for them. For me, my favorite thus far are the Springfield XD's, which is nice because they are cheap comparatively. Easy to take down, utterly reliable, and quite accurate. But what I like might not be the same as what you like...

[Old Dog]

Glock, SIG, Beretta, CZ or S&W ... I think if you went with any of those semi-autos, your chances of getting a lemon would be slim to none. Buy the one that fits your hands the best, shoots the easiest for you and offers a safety system you feel comfortable with.

If it's your first semi-auto ever, I'd strongly suggest going with an all-steel DA/SA, which would then make it easier to adapt to shooting other handguns ... Starting with a Glock, and then transitioning to other platforms would seem a little tougher.

I love the CZ-75/85 (the best value bar none in a full-size 9mm) for the terrific ergonomics, reliability, accuracy and general overall high coolness factor. S&Ws are dependable and the company has decent customer service. Berettas are reliable, accurate and easy to shoot, albeit somewhat large-gripped ... SIGs are a tad on the chunky and heavy side (although, IMO, overpriced), but have a reputation for accuracy and in my experience, provide stellar reliability ...

[mattw]

Springfield Armory XD9! :D

[Shrinkmd]

It is my first autoloader. I have a 686 4" and its baby brother 617 10 rnd also in 4". I am used to picking up ~40 oz of steel in my hand, so weight is not a problem (and the only way you can "carry" in NJ is from the store to your car, or from your car to the line at the range in the case!)

More opinions please! Also, what is the life expectancy of the all steel 9mm pistols? How often do they need a spring replacement or some sort of maintenance, and does this vary by brand?

Thanks again for all info!

[Ken Rainey]

Hello, My suggestion is to see which of the 9mm Glock handguns fits your hand (if any) and pick from them. They are extremely reliable, durable, easily maintained and easy to use if they fit your hand well enough. Sigs are well made firearms too...I just prefer the same trigger pull for each shot and prefer the ease of maintenance of the Glock. I also like (and own) a Browning Hi Power in 9mm but the Glock does have the edge in durability and ease of maintenance....which may not be so much of a factor in your case if it's just for the house and range. Just take your time and handle different ones and check their trigger pulls and their fit to your hand. A Taurus PT-92 or 99 is a very good handgun for the money and also has a lifetime warranty....although Glock stands behind there product too despite the "limited" warranty. I'm a little biased since becoming a Glock Armorer a few years ago and learning just how simple to maintain and repair (if ever needed) these guns are. Every one has their favorites and these are just my suggestions based on my experiences....as always, YMMV.

Good luck, happy "hunting" and let us know what you decide on.

[Ken Rainey]

I just saw that you were a S&W revolver man...me too. I think that the Glock is the closest thing to a stainless S&W .38 shooting revolver that there is.....easy to use and durable as can be ! I think the Glock compliments the revolver as well as a semi-auto can...no external safety...just pull the trigger and it shoots - don't pull the trigger and it won't ! Simple.

[JERRY]

aint it grand!?

we could be like those poor schmucks in juristictions that dont allow ownership or carry.

[nero45acp]

The only way to know for sure which 9mm is best for you is to try shoot or handle a number of different pistols. However, this is not always a practical option. So, allow me to list some of the top-drawer 9mm's based on which hand size they fit best:

SMALL HANDS:

Browning/FN Hi-Power (Every serious shooter should own a HP, but it will probably require a little trigger work out of the box, and can bite some hands.)

Steyr M9 (Grip is a little slick, though reliable and accurate.)

Glock 19 (Reliable, accurate. I'm not really fond of Glock triggers, but many are.)

SIG P225 (Perfection IMHO)

SIG P239 (Great carry piece)

SIG P220 9mm European Model (Rare, but can be found on GunBroker for $500-$650. Uber accurate.)

9mm 1911 (I've had three, and each had reliability issues.Though each felt very good in my hand.)

Beretta 92 Vertec (Well made, reliable and accurate. May require a "D" spring for a good trigger.)

SIG P210 (Fantastic, uber accurate 9mm. Can bite some hands, and I hope you have very deep pockets. Designed as a military sidearm, though used more as a target pistol now.)

S&W 952 (Very accurate. Rather expensive. More of a target pistol.)

BIG HANDS:

CZ-75B (Probably the best value 9mm available)

SIG P228, P229, P226 (Perfect out of the box)

Beretta 92 Series (Reliable, well made. More accurate than the average shooter. May require a "D" hammer spring for a good trigger.)

I have no experience with SA XD9, but I'm sure they are very good pistols, or they wouldn't be as popular as they are.


I hope this helps a little. Best Wishes.



nero

[Krag]

Quit making a mountain out of a molehill. Buy a Glock 17/19 and you will find true happiness. :cool:

[Ala Dan]

Pick one of the quality 9m/m's out there and you will be happy! :D

No Bryco's, Hi-Point's, Tec 9's and such, and you should be fine~ :uhoh: :D

[Graystar]

Range plus home defense = carry weight is not an issue = don't consider polymer guns b/c all steel guns will be more comfortable to shoot.I think Glocks are great for defense but this was my exact thought. I think an all-steel gun with a nice trigger will be more enjoyable at the range. Try the various all-steel pistols that the range has to rent and pick the one that fits best!

Good Luck!

[Alex45ACP]

I have a GLOCK 17 for hd/range use and it's a great gun. Inexpensive, extremely reliable, easy to take apart/maintain, and high capacity mags.

But you really can't go wrong, CZ, Sig, GLOCK, etc. they're all great.

[Shrinkmd]

I'd love to, but as far as I know there isn't anyplace to rent in NJ. My home range Cherry Ridge is all outdoors, no renting or nothing (no soda machine, etc) Anyone know anyplace good in NJ (or across the PA border) where I could try out a couple of these before I buy?

[Alex45ACP]

You should start a new thread in General Discussion asking if anyone wants to meet up. I'm sure some members in your area would be happy to let you put a few rounds through their guns :) You could try out my G17 but that's a bit of a drive ;)

[CAnnoneer]

I went through the same issue just in the past month. I rented a bunch and found out among the 9mm to like Ruger P89 the most. A close second was Beretta 92FS. Both are full-size metal-frame 9mm known for quality.

I chose the Ruger because it fit my hand perfectly and had a better balance for me - Beretta felt a bit too forward and down. Also, I got a new P89 for $ 349 locally, whereas the full Berettas went for well over $ 700. In addition, I received overwhelmingly positive and amazing reviews of Ruger's customer service. Finally, Ruger is American, so I'd rather see my money funneled into US economy than into Austria, Germany, or Italy.

I have heard a lot of good things about the Glocks too, but to me they felt too top-heavy (true for all plastic frames?), with uncomfortable handle and trigger (for me).

If you can't borrow some, definitely go to a range and rent just once, but many guns to get a feel for yourself. Guns are like cars - there is not one best for everyone.

Good luck and let us know what you chose! :)

[Universal]

When I had to change from a S&W K frame as my duty weapon to a semi-auto, I found that the GLOCK was the best choice. Later I became a firearms instructor and I feel that the GLOCK is best semi-auto to train new shooters on. To this day I can not get used to the traditional DA/SA weapons. I shoot them O.K. but I just don't like the different trigger pulls on the first and second shot. That being said, the only semi-auto handgun I own is a GLOCK 17 but I also like the Beretta (sp) 92FS and the Smith & Wesson 910. I did not care for the H&K USP but many shooters and peace officers I know love them. I have never shot a SIG Sauer 9mm but, again, most people I know love them. I personally prefer revolvers for most things but if had to carry a semi-auto and if I had my choice, it would be the GLOCK 17.

[Morlock]

If you're looking for a range with rentals, get thee across checkpoint charlie and get to PA. 2 ranges that come to mind are tagetmaster (south of the airport) at www.targetmaster.com and some range that i stumbled over while on a day trip to Philly (it's a few blocks away from geno's cheesesteaks). I would recommend targetmaster though (class 3 goodness for rent :evil: ). YMMV

morlock sends

[Mongo the Mutterer]

G17 or G19 -- do it, you won't be sorry.

[astraman]

take a trip to myrtle beach- a lot of people from new jersey do. there's a gun shop in murrels inlet where you can rent diff't pistols.

[Jrm5204]

In Delaware County TargetMaster on 202 in Chadds Ford (not the best staff), Double Action Pistol Range in Yeadon, and the Firing Line behind the UA movie theatre and Engine 46 Steakhouse off of Delaware Ave. (Penns Landing) in Philly. All three have handgun rentals and TargetMaster has some full auto.

[rauchman]

Where abouts are you in NJ? I'm very near the GWB. I shoot at the Bullet Hole in Belleville. I have a fairly good smattering of pistols. You supply the ammo, I'll let you try out what you like.

Glock 17 & 19 2nd gen
Sig 226
Beretta 92FS
HK P7
Walther P5
Springfield Armory 1911 Loaded .45
HK USP F 45
CZ 75 SA in .40

[355sigfan]

Range plus home defense = carry weight is not an issue = don't consider polymer guns b/c all steel guns will be more comfortable to shoot.
I'd fondle a Browning/FN Hi-Power, a Sig p226, and a CZ 75b.
Buy the one that fits your hand the best.
-David
END QUOTE

The Sig is alluminum not steel unless you get the ST model. Go Glock or Go home in 9mm. In all seriousness there is nothing wrong with polimer the Glock is the best 9mm service pistol made in my opinon. I would consider the following choices in this order, Glock 17,19 Sig 226, 228, Beretta 92 F, HK USP or 2000, The BHP is fine as well. I don't care for the CZ much as it feels more like a com block gun than a quality product.
Pat

[Guns_and_Labs]

BHP! The ultimate in 9mm. Why shoot tupperware if you don't have to?

[444]

You have a tough row to hoe.
Every GREAT pistol that has ever been made is made in 9mm. It would be tough to go wrong with anything you mentioned.
I have always been a 1911 guy, but as a gun lover I still own a bunch of 9mm handguns.
I advise everyone that asks me (a lot of people ask me since they know I am seriously into guns) to buy a Glock. You just can't go wrong. It is the perfect handgun for someone that owns ONE handgun.

[NEtracker]

Browning Hi-Power
(I like the G17 also)

[Vern Humphrey]

As the Stranger said to Smiley (in "The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calavaras County"), "I don't see no pints about that frawg that's any better than any other frawg." :p

[mainmech48]

These days it's kinda hard to go far wrong in a Wundernine from any of the Big Guys. Get whatever fits your hand and budget best.

Personally, I like the CZ's ergos and value. While I don't presently own one, folks of my acquaintance whose opinions I respect swear by the Glock 17, as long as it's in factory trim.

The best thing about a nine is that it is the cheapest CF pistol round out there in generic form. Makes training and practice more affordable, hence more likely to actually happen.

No dearth of good SD/HD loads either, and at reasonable prices.

No matter what you end up choosing, get some formal training and practice regularly. There is no substitute for skill, and all of the magazine capacity in the world means nothing if you can't put them where they need to go. Even more important since every bullet now comes equipped with a lawyer attached to it.

[benEzra]

My first and only 9mm handgun is my S&W 3913 LadySmith (http://www.swfirearms.vista.com/store/index.php3?cat=293499&sw_activeTab=1). It's fantastically accurate, 100% reliable (only failure I've EVER had in maybe a couple thousand rounds through the gun was a round with no priming compound), small enough to CCW if you want, practically corrosion-proof (I used to live in Florida and carried regularly), and excellent safety features. The 3913 is widely considered the best of the 3rd-gen S&W self-loaders, and the Ladysmith is arguably the best of the 3913's.

I like the traditional DA/SA mode of operation, since the manual safety gives you the option of "hammer down, safety on" when handling or holstering the gun, yet the 3913LS is designed to be completely drop-safe with the safety off; the long-but-smooth DA trigger makes ND's a bit less likely, but if you start shooting you have a light, short SA trigger for fast and accurate followup shots.

http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/content/00/01/32/32/75/userimages/108290_large.jpg

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=27594&stc=1

[JERRY]

Beautiful, Now If Theyd Quit Being So Cheap And Stop Using The Blued Trigger And Hammer And Go Back To The Flash Chrome Finish Like They Used In The 90's................

[Major Beer]

so many nines to go after i bought a XD40 - today - i shot the XD in 9mm, both in 3 and 4 in - both were awesome.

i had a Sig in 9mm - still kicking myself for letting that one go. Sig 226 would be my pick of the litter - find a way to shoot one if you have not.

GLock - cheaper than Sig, good gun. a bud of mine kept pushing a Glock on me, good gun i did not like the feel.

Taurus make a good gun too i have read. never shot one yet.

HiPoint - i own one of the - heck i live 20 miles from Mansfield OH where they build them. i bought one "to help the local economy" - they are popular up here, people buy them to shoot the living snot out of them. mine still works real well. not a quality firearm very simple - kinda the SKS of the bunch. fun but rough. a bitch to tear down. more of a plinker but i still love mine - not a carry gun.

go with a quaility 9mm for sure - lots of great choices in those posts.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

I've owned ten 9mm's in last 30+ years and the one's I have now I'm sticking with: P226, G17, BHP and CZ 75B. If I were to rate them in terms of automobiles they'd be thus:

P226 - BMW
G17 - Jeep
BHP - Ford F-150
CZ 75B - Lincoln Town Car

Pretty unscientific. In other calibers my guns run the gamut from Yugo to Cadillacs.

[gc70]

You generally have more options when choosing a range and home defense gun than a carry weapon. The first thing you need to do is to narrow the field. Unless your hands can't manage full-size guns, there is no reason to accept the compromises (sight radius, controlability, etc.) inherent in smaller guns.

Go to a gun store and handle a lot of different guns. You can rule out many guns as soon as you pick them up because they just don't feel "right" in your hand. When you have identified several different guns that feel good in your hand, compare features to further narrow the field.

What trigger mode (single action, DA/SA, DAO, or other) do you feel most comfortable with, particularly with respect to the complexity of their manual of arms?

Are there any control arrangements that you need, want, or dislike? Lefties may need ambidextrous controls. My personal pet peeve is controls way up on the slide, so most DA/SA guns with slide-mounted decockers or safeties are out for me.

In a full-size 9mm range or home defense gun, one of your last considerations should be weight and materials. Steel, aluminum, or polymer are all durable in a full-size 9mm package. And recoil management is not an issue in a full-size 9mm.

Like everyone else, I have my biases; my favorite 9mm pistols include the Sig P226 ST, Colt 1911, Glock 17, and Browning BDM. Some of the finest 9mm guns that just don't work for me include the Beretta 92 (grip and slide-mounted controls) and Browning HiPower (grip).

[Too Many Choices!?]

Sounds like a good problem to have if you ask me, granted I am a little biased :o ...

[stevelyn]

If you are looking for function get the Glock 17.

If you want the Holy Grail of 9mm's get the BHP.

All others fall somewhere in between.

[Browns Fan]

+1 for the SA XD9. I just got back from an IDPA match. Great gun!

[10-Ring]

If it were my first & it were to be used primarily for range & HD (and knowing what I know :D ), I'd go w/ either the USP 9 or the Browning Hi Power and not look back! :cool:

[robertbank]

I n order of preference:

CZ 85 for D/A S/A , price and 15 rounds

Hi-Power lighter than the CZ75/85

1911 in 9MM including the Para P-18 in either S/A or LDA very sweet gun with enough ammo in the handle to keep Antila the Hun and his boys at bay.