7.62x39 training ammo


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goon
August 10, 2005, 01:10 AM
Does anyone know where I can get my hands on some of the 7.62x39 training ammo?
Here is the story...
I managed to get my hands on 40 rounds of it. It was steel cased and resembled Wolf but with what appeared to be a black plastic bullet. I saved the stuff for awhile but I decided to use it tonight. There is a young woman who has recently started shooting with us and she is recoil sensitive. Even regular 7.62x39 is too much for her. I feel bad when she is standing there embarassed while we are all banging away with FAL's, Mosin Nagants, AK's and whatever else we have, but since the AK or SKS is the "smallest" centerfire I have, there isn't much I can do.
Anyhow, I talked her into trying the training rounds out tonight after I sampled them. I found that they worked the action on my SKS, hit point of aim at 25 yards, and most importantly they kicked very little. I demonstrated this to her by facing the 25 yard backstop, placing the butt of my SKS on a certain sensitive male area, and firing. She gleefully shot the rest of the stuff up.
Now that I have finally found something she can handle that will help ease her into centerfires, I am out of it.
Does anyone know where I can get some of this stuff? I will admit that I like shooting it too.
Thanks.

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VorpalSpork
August 10, 2005, 02:22 AM
Ammoman.com has Czech 7.62x39 white tip target ammo, maybe that will work.

50 Shooter
August 10, 2005, 12:54 PM
I don't think it's training ammo, did it come in 10 round blister packs?

I have a few of these myself, can't remember the exact name for them. I think they were offered as anti-terrorist rounds about 10+ years ago or something along those lines. Not sure if you can even find them or if they even make them anymore.

I'll look through my ammo to see what I have, if you want them PM me and we can work something out.

Reed1911
August 10, 2005, 01:11 PM
One of the specialities we do is down loading of ammunition for training. It would be no problem to load some 110g bullets at reduced velocity.

goon
August 10, 2005, 02:26 PM
Thanks for the leads. Does anyone know if the Czech stuff will work the action or will it be a manually operated affair?
I thought it was training ammo because I saw similiar stuff before with blue plastic bullets that was labeled as training ammo.
As for the custom loads, thanks for the offer. That very idea was rattling around im my head. I have at my disposal a fair supply of .310 diameter 90 grain bullets pulled from 7.62x25mm ammo, about 200 Winchester 7.62x39mm casings, and a certain set of RCBS reloading dies (they belong to my brother but I am sure he would let me use them). I may have to look into this if I can't come up with some bulk ammo that will work for this purpose.

JA
August 10, 2005, 02:44 PM
It sounds like the training ammo made in East Germany. It has a 63 grain round nose bullet that has a copper plated steel jacket with a plastic core. The bullet is black in color even though it is copper plated.
In 1991 when East and West Germany reunified all East German military equipment was sold off as surplus. West Germany was a NATO member and all the East German equipment was not compatable. Century Arms imported all the training ammo along with 15 million rounds of M43 ammo in 1992. It came in 10rd blister packs,20rd boxes,or loose and was sold in 1000rd lots by Centruy Arms.
So with the training ammo being imported 13 years ago the only place you will find any more is at gun auction websites,gun shows,or from a indivigual.
It is corrosive primed so make sure to clean your rifle right after firing it.
In the pic below L to R, blister pack of blanks,training ammo,and 20rd box of training ammo.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5060/966egammomedaa8qa.jpg

mondocomputerman
August 10, 2005, 05:10 PM
I've got 2 blister packs myself that I picket up at a pawn shop about 10 years ago. I believe it is a plastic bullet, but I haven't opened a pack yet to be sure.

Dave Markowitz
August 10, 2005, 05:17 PM
I bought a couple blister packs of the E. German plastic ammo back in the 90s when it came in. I am pretty sure that it had steel jacketed, plastic core bullets.

I shot them through my SKS, which would not cycle them reliably. However, I believe they were intended for AKs. Shooting them in the SKS felt like shooting a .22.

Cacique500
August 10, 2005, 06:15 PM
Have you thought about getting her one of those thick PAST shoulder recoil pads? I use one when I'm all day at the range with my Mosin and it works great.

Commissar Gribb
August 10, 2005, 06:49 PM
I found that they worked the action on my SKS, hit point of aim at 25 yards, and most importantly they kicked very little. I demonstrated this to her by facing the 25 yard backstop, placing the butt of my SKS on a certain sensitive male area, and firing. She gleefully shot the rest of the stuff up.

now I have THIS image stuck in my head for the rest of the day...

joy.. :barf:

did you think maybe she's not holding the rifle properly? I know with hi power ammo, the difference between a bruise covered arm and one free of bruises can be determined by how you place the buttstock (namely my mauser and my friend's mosin- owwwie! we learned quickly to tuck tight)

goon
August 10, 2005, 08:55 PM
Comissar - She isn't that big. It doesn't matter how she holds the rifle or shotgun. She just gets slammed.
I did that to prove to her that she could handle the recoil. This was the same demonstration that drill sergeants gave us at Fort Leonard Wood to demonstrate to guys who had never shot before that the recoil of the M-16A2 was not going to harm them. I felt that I was in good company.

Commissar Gribb
August 10, 2005, 10:42 PM
lol

our CATM instructors never did that.

but then again- i think most of us were pretty sure that .223 wasnt going to hurt us unless we were on the wrong side of the barrel.

goon
August 15, 2005, 12:12 PM
As for the ammo, I think it is the east german stuff. It was corrosive. Good thing I cleaned it like it was and then checked it the next day. I found just the slightest rust on the inside of the gas tube and a little forming on the gas piston. Anyhow, thanks for the help. I may have to try the Czech stuff but I might try reloading some reduced loads and see if that works too. If I can make them light enough to not cycle the action I won't have to scour the countryside in hopes of coming up with a more than 10% return on my once fired brass. ;)
That could work.

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