NRA may back Dem against DeWine in '06


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71Commander
August 10, 2005, 12:49 PM
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/081005/nra.html


August 10, 2005


NRA may back Dem against DeWine in '06
By Peter Savodnik


Gun activists angry with Sen. Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) and the state GOP are welcoming talk of Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) challenging the second-term senator next year.

Frustration with DeWine hit a new high late last month when the senator was one of only two Republicans (Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island being the other) to oppose a bill shielding gun manufacturers from liability for damages resulting from the use of their products.

The vote came about two months after DeWine joined the so-called Gang of 14 to forge a judicial-nominees agreement, alienating many conservatives who felt the seven Republicans in the group had jettisoned party principle in the name of bipartisanship.

In a possible sign of just how angry conservatives were at the pact over judicial nominees , DeWine’s son, Pat, a local Republican official, came in fourth in a June 14 GOP congressional primary in the staunchly Republican 2nd District.

Ryan, in his second term, has not declared his political plans but has been repeatedly mentioned in Ohio and inside the Beltway as a possible Senate contender. Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), loathed by conservatives for his outspoken opposition to free trade, tax cuts and gun rights, among other issues, also may run.

“Personally, as an individual and an ardent Republican, I would love to see anyone run against DeWine, especially Ryan,” said Rick Kaleda, the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) election-volunteer coordinator in Ryan’s 17th District. The NRA endorsed Ryan in his successful 2002 Democratic primary bid against then-Rep. Tom Sawyer.

Gun Owners of America, touting itself as the “no-compromise” gun-rights group, gave Ryan a B for his voting record in the 108th Congress, said the group’s executive director, Larry Pratt. In contrast, DeWine received an F, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (Tenn.) earned a D and Sens. George Allen (R-Va.) and Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), both unabashed conservatives, got C’s, according to the group’s website.

Pratt estimated that there are 25 Democrats in Congress who have voting records as conservative as Ryan’s, as far as gun rights are concerned.

“The feeling I get from a lot of gun owners statewide is there are a lot of folks who have a loyalty to one party or another [who] are starting to look at that a little differently, with the Tafts, the DeWines, the Voinoviches,” Kaleda added, referring to Ohio Gov. Bob Taft and Ohio Sen. George Voinovich, both Republicans.

Voinovich opposed some of President Bush’s tax cuts and, more recently, Bush’s nominee for U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton.

Taft, for his part, has come under attack for widespread corruption in state government, which is dominated by the GOP. In addition, Conservatives have railed against him for supporting a series of tax increases.

Ryan could not be reached for comment yesterday. His spokesman, Ryan Keating, said the congressman was on a congressional-delegation trip to China.

“Congressman Ryan has been approached by some national and Ohio Democrats and urged to run for Senate, but at this time he’s focused on serving the people of the 17th District,” Keating said.

A Capitol Hill lobbyist, calling DeWine “the most activist, anti-gun Republican in the Senate,” noted that Ryan’s congressional voting record is thin but added that, as a state senator, he had “a long and consistent record of pro-gun support.”

While the NRA generally supports Republicans, it is not averse to backing Democrats or staying out of races where there are no discernible differences between the Republican and Democratic candidates when it comes to the Second Amendment.

The gun-rights group last year supported Reps. Max Sandlin and Nicholas Lampson, both Texas Democrats, as well as Rep. Baron Hill (D-Ind.). Also, it stayed out of Senate races in Oklahoma and Louisiana, where both the Republicans and Democrats backed gun rights.
Jason Mauk, the Ohio Republican Party’s political director, downplayed any suggestion that DeWine is vulnerable next year. He noted that Democrats have yet to come up with a candidate and that, gun-owners’ complaints notwithstanding, DeWine votes with the president 95 percent of the time.

“Senator DeWine has a long-standing record of public service to Ohio that has given him enormous respect on both sides of the political aisle in this state,” Mauk said.

A message left at DeWine’s campaign office was not returned.

Also helping DeWine is the fact that Democrats as of yet are not aggressively pursuing a challenge, especially when compared to other priority races, such as Pennsylvania, where Santorum faces a tough reelection battle, or Rhode Island, where Chafee is viewed as particularly vulnerable.

Jack Filak, regional director of the Youngstown, Ohio, branch of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, said labor activists would likely rally around the Democrats’ Senate nominee next year.

But, Filak added: “There are certainly worse senators than DeWine.”


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Yanus
August 10, 2005, 01:15 PM
Works for me. I don't like RINO'S. I hope everyone watches this race.

Yanus

rick_reno
August 10, 2005, 01:21 PM
Dewine and his lack of support for 2nd Amendment issues is nothing new - did the NRA support him in previous elections?

71Commander
August 10, 2005, 01:34 PM
I honestly believe that when DeWine wanted to run for public office, he saw that the Democrat slot was filled so he ran in the open slot. If he could have ran as a Democrat, he would have. That's where his loyalities lie.

I think that a lot of northern Democrats did/do the same thing when they ran/run for office. Just run in the open party slot. :cuss:

foghornl
August 10, 2005, 01:39 PM
Sen. DeWine makes Sen. Ted ["Where are my pants, my car, and my secretary?"] Kennedy look like a Rush Limbaugh supporter. :fire:

Look up "R.I.N.O" in your Webster's Unabridged, and there is Sen. DeWine's smiling face. :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

Rebar
August 10, 2005, 02:10 PM
What, the republicans couldn't get a real republican for a primary challenge?

Greg L
August 10, 2005, 02:13 PM
In a possible sign of just how angry conservatives were at the pact over judicial nominees , DeWine’s son, Pat, a local Republican official, came in fourth in a June 14 GOP congressional primary in the staunchly Republican 2nd District.

To be fair, Pat's an idiot/slime all by himself. There might be something to this whole genetics thing after all....

Fletchette
August 10, 2005, 02:21 PM
Gotta love this quote:

“Senator DeWine has a long-standing record of public service to Ohio that has given him enormous respect on both sides of the political aisle in this state,” Mauk said.

Translation: "We are not worried because a lot of the other Senators like him"

This guy is in for a shock when he finds out that he is elected by The People, not his fellow congresscritters.

countertop
August 10, 2005, 02:21 PM
Not to throw gas on the fire, but I had always heard DeWine was gay too.

71Commander
August 10, 2005, 02:25 PM
Not to throw gas on the fire, but I had always heard DeWine was gay too.

Maybe so. Maybe not. :confused: It has no bearing on the fact that he is a rotten politican. Well not rotten for the left side of the aisle. :barf:

Beren
August 10, 2005, 02:43 PM
Not to throw gas on the fire, but I had always heard DeWine was gay too.

What's your point? I hear he's white and upper-middle class. Oh, and he breathes air. How is this relevant?

Henry Bowman
August 10, 2005, 02:46 PM
What, the republicans couldn't get a real republican for a primary challenge? I'm available, but haven't been asked.


I will not vote for DeWine. If he wins the Republican primary (likely), I will have to decide whether to vote for a Democrat or to not vote. Even with Republican "control," the Senate is unacceptably leftist in practice.

Fletchette
August 10, 2005, 02:49 PM
Personally, I would vote for Pee Wee Herman and all the Tele Tubbies if they actually would defend the Constitution.

boofus
August 10, 2005, 03:03 PM
Another vote here for strict constructionist tele-tubbies :p

countertop
August 10, 2005, 03:24 PM
What's your point? I hear he's white and upper-middle class. Oh, and he breathes air. How is this relevant?

There is no point.

If you were in DC, you might understand. Its a dumb rumour that keeps floating around here amongst the far right of the party. I brought it up simply because every year DeWine is attacked as a RINO and the far right keeps coming up with kooky excuses to throw him out of office.

I have no idea if this other guy is any good. He sounds better on gun issues, but I really get concerned when the NRA starts drinking the right wing kool aid and looks for excuses to punish Republicans. We have a pretty impressive margin over Ds right now, I would hate to see that jeapordized because of silly politics.

How would you feel - and better yet, how would your gun rights suffer - if the Rs dropped 4 Senators (outside chance) next election and this new "pro gun" D got the final vote on who the next speaker would be. WOuld you like Kennedy setting the agenda? Or Boxer? Or Chuck Schumer?

My point is simply that sometimes its best to accept what you have than to get greedy. Remember, pigs get slaughtered. The reference to the ever present gay rumours is just a reminder about the dumb things the right keeps floating about the guy.

At the end of the day, he helps us advance our agenda more than having a D in that Seat would.

Henry Bowman
August 10, 2005, 03:31 PM
I brought it up simply because every year DeWine is attacked as a RINO and the far right keeps coming up with kooky excuses to throw him out of office. Why isn't his being a RINO enough of a reason for the "far right" to throw him out of office. Doesn't make sense to spread a rumor that would only appeal to the "far right," who doesn't need a new reason to toss him.

countertop
August 10, 2005, 03:39 PM
Doesn't make sense to spread a rumor that would only appeal to the "far right," who doesn't need a new reason to toss him.

You got me, but thats what they do.

Daniel T
August 10, 2005, 04:32 PM
He sounds better on gun issues, but I really get concerned when the NRA starts drinking the right wing kool aid and looks for excuses to punish Republicans.

I get concerned when the NRA looks more at the political party of a candidate rather than their stance on gun-onwership and the 2nd Amendment.

Bartholomew Roberts
August 10, 2005, 04:39 PM
I think Dewine would be the perfect candidate to make an example of regarding the Second Amendment. He is already very bad on the issue. The only gun control he didn't support adding to S.397 (before he voted against it) was Kennedy's ammo ban.

The pro-Second forces also have enough of a Republican majority that they can sacrifice an anti-gun Republican without having to worry about giving Teddy or Diane the Chair on the Senate Judiciary committee. If an incumbent like Dewine loses his seat to a pro-gun challenger it will shake up both parties in a major way and we will have a much better legislative session in 2006 than we have so far I think.

Henry Bowman
August 10, 2005, 04:52 PM
You are right, Bart. But I'd rather see him go down in flames in the primary.

Ohio is a wierd, split-personality state. Very blue in the north; very red in the south. Common thinking is that only a moderate from either party can win a statewide election. I'd like to see some uncommon thinking. I wonder how a libertarian-like candidate would fare? Someone who could appeal to the disgruntled of both major parties. I fear that both misbehavior and poor performance will tarnish the Republicans in Ohio for the next few years. The Kool-Aide drinkers will say, "See! We told you that Ohio was stolen in 2004!" In reality, it will be that the base of the right will stay home and the swing vote will say, "Let's give the other guys a try and see what happens."


Here is one plank of my platform: I will not vote for any bill that I have not read in its entirety.

yucaipa
August 10, 2005, 05:00 PM
DeWine being beaten by a pro-gun Democratic would be a good thing, as long as the RKBA people in Ohio keep gun rights front and center during the General Election.

If the gun rights people do all the work and the day after the election all the pundits are calling RKBA a "secondary" or "minor" issue, that is bad news for us. The "gun lobby" :D in Ohio has to be able to get full credit if they are successful.

GunGoBoom
August 10, 2005, 05:56 PM
I'm all for it - party affiliation means less than actual, demonstrable support for the correct views. Make an example of his a$$, I say.

Standing Wolf
August 10, 2005, 06:11 PM
Sen. DeWine makes Sen. Ted ["Where are my pants, my car, and my secretary?"] Kennedy look like a Rush Limbaugh supporter.

Pardon me, please, if this seems unduly critical. Are you sure you're showing enough respect for the Hero of Chappaquiddick?

DeseoUnTaco
August 10, 2005, 06:22 PM
Good for them. The NRA should have no party affiliation, or it loses all credibility. As soon as they start mixing gun rights with any other issue, they start losing supporters. This situation shows that they are honest, and that Republicans can't take NRA support for granted.

Btw, this is all going on in Ohio, which is where Kerry lost the presidency. If Kerry had taken a pro-RKBA stance, we would probably be saying "President Kerry" right now. Once both parties have learned, "dont mess with gun owners", then our rights will be secure. The way to teach them that is to punish them when they are bad and reward them when they are good. Endorsing a Dem shows that the NRA is willing to both punish and reward as apporpriate.

Plumber576
August 10, 2005, 06:26 PM
dangit, now i have a complicated election coming up here in Ohio. I live in columbus, but still vote up in Cuyahoga county. Fun stuff.

countertop
August 10, 2005, 06:36 PM
If the gun rights people do all the work and the day after the election all the pundits are calling RKBA a "secondary" or "minor" issue, that is bad news for us. The "gun lobby" in Ohio has to be able to get full credit if they are successful.

Bingo! Do you really trust them to be able to take credit? They will try, but I've got to believe the media won't listen to them and will spin it as a major loss for republicans/conservatives.

The NRA should have no party affiliation, or it loses all credibility. As soon as they start mixing gun rights with any other issue, they start losing supporters. This situation shows that they are honest, and that Republicans can't take NRA support for granted.

I agree, but for a variety of political reasons, sometimes you have to bite your tongue. The right wing is up in arms about DeWine (and Chafee and Snow and Collins) and I just don't think its smart to camapgin against them in the long run. They are tremendously important in bridging the middle.

Granted, the NRA is a different beast than the far right groups in DC, I just don't want to see them getting caught up in something that relegates them to the status of GOA - we would all lose then.

71Commander
August 10, 2005, 06:50 PM
Maybe the NRA read my post in another thread. :D :neener:



The GOP needs to withdraw funding for DeWine's future run for office. With friends like him..............................

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=1827493&postcount=249

North Texan
August 10, 2005, 08:22 PM
Quote:
The NRA should have no party affiliation, or it loses all credibility. As soon as they start mixing gun rights with any other issue, they start losing supporters. This situation shows that they are honest, and that Republicans can't take NRA support for granted.



I agree, but for a variety of political reasons, sometimes you have to bite your tongue. The right wing is up in arms about DeWine (and Chafee and Snow and Collins) and I just don't think its smart to camapgin against them in the long run. They are tremendously important in bridging the middle.

Becoming too strongly affiliated with one party or another would be a death knell if that party were to ever lose their power. The NRA should not ever become affiliated with a particular party. They should follow only the issues and stances involved in the Second Amendment. When someone from either party represents the RKBA, the NRA should support them. When someone fails to support RKBA, the NRA should support the opposition.

FWIW, my interpretation of "bridging the middle" has usually meant gun owners rights have been sacrificed, but only to a degree. :barf: And once the government starts regulating something, I've never known them to back down too often.

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