[GunGoBoom]

Air pistol, .177. I'm assuming from the looks of it that it's the exact same gun as the Beeman P3? I ordered it instead of the P3 because it was $10 or so less than the P3 from www.pyramidair.com , for the apparently same gun. Anyone know of any difference at all from the P3? Man, does it feel good in the hand and balance nicely; Can't wait to go home and shoot it. :)

box from Duetchland calls it "luftpistole" - hee hee. Looks like a Walther P99 with a glandular problem.

P.S. This is a single stroke pneumatic - these are OK to dry fire, no? Edited...this thing has an *unbelievably* nice trigger - makes a finely tuned 1911 feel like a VP70. :)

http://www.pyramidair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=47
http://www.pyramidair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=556

[slopemeno]

Totally OK to dry fire. I dry fire my Daisey 717 all the time. The real beauty of airguns is you can get in a quick 20 minutes practice in the garage or a long hallway.

[P95Carry]

GGB - sounds nice.

The air weapons that I consider should NEVER be dry-fired are simple spring/piston examples, where of course the piston slams end of air chamber if no resistance from pellet.

Have fun! :)

[JohnKSa]

Airgun triggers will definitely spoil you...

I've got a couple that it seems you just put your finger on the trigger and THINK about shooting. :D

I think the manual (instructions) should have some information on dry-firing.

[Dr.Rob]

Looks like a Walther frame and a hi-point slide... but I recall days of old when a well crafted Walther air pstol could get a young man into all manner of trouble.

[GunGoBoom]

Looks like a Walther frame and a hi-point slide

Yeah, exactly. I shot it quite a bit last night. Overall, I'm very happy with it. I tested 3 kinds of ammo... Beeman 1261 coated wadcutters, Gamo 'Hunters', and RWS Superdome. I tested at 5 and 10 yards. The Superdome grouped the best, but not by much. I'm pretty sure however, that I'm having a problem with my aging eyes and iron sights, because the (10-shot) groups would be tight left-to-right (about 1/2" at 10 yards), but they would string vertically of up to about an inch or 1 and 1/8th - this due I think to it being easier to see the target's positioning left and right over the front sight than it is to see and hold precisely in the same spot at the bottom of the bulls eye. Got half a mind to scope it for this reason - it has a rail on it. It's fairly loud, but has VERY little recoil. Slight muzzle flip but no recoil really. The trigger is really just almost a hair trigger - super short and light once the takeup is pulled through. I'd guess the trigger is between 12 and 16 ounces, but not sure really. Glad that the safety is automatically engaged with each cock. Ya know, this trigger will spoil me, but not all the airguns I've owned have had great triggers - they have run the gamut from horrid to so so to this one. The trigger on my RWS 350 is pretty good, but I've had other RWS that had pretty *meh* triggers. This gun is advertised at 410 fps in .177, so it'll be interesting to chrono it. Enough for birdies. Come Sep 1, I might even shoot one of the mourning doves with it that roost in my front pine tree - they'll be in season then. :evil: It's well made it seems, but mostly reinforced polymer construction. Yeah, DrRob, one can probably get in even more trouble as an adult - I'm gonna try anyway. Thanks for chimin in all. :)

Here's a review of this gun:

http://my.tbaytel.net/~coopers@tbaytel.net/HW40Review/

Here's an airgun forum:

http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/index.php?

Question: Does anyone know of the existence of a handgun scope (long eye relief) which has an adjustable objective, capable of dialing down to 10 yards? Particularly one under $100? Fat chance I'm sure, lol.

[Dr. J Frame]

Edited...this thing has an *unbelievably* nice trigger - makes a finely tuned 1911 feel like a VP70.
I have the Beeman P3 version. Yes, the triggers are great! 2-stage and just a few ounces.

When bored, I set my trap on the other end of my living room. Then, while reclined in my Lazy Boy, watching TV, I'll fire some 5-shot groups. There's been a few times when the group size is unmeasurable. Looks like just a single .177 cal hole.

http://www.pyramydair.com/images/beeman-p3.jpg

An H&K rep that had flown in for a grand opening of a Sportmans Warehouse led me to purchase one of these. They are extreamely accurate. Aside from the over-travel, which could be eliminated by installing a stop screw, the trigger breaks better than most premium target rifles/pistols.

[JohnKSa]

Any red-dot handgun scope should work fine. Unlike on spring-piston airguns, you should be able to use any kind of scope you want on your P3.

You could also ask your question on an airgun forum to see what kind of anwers you get.

Here are a couple.

http://www.straightshooters.com/chat/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537

[GunGoBoom]

Thanks, yeah, but I don't think that a red dot will offer any advantage to me personally over the iron sights; maybe a hindrance relative to the irons. I need a magnified optic for my weak eyes, preferably a fixed 2x20 or 3x20; something like that, BUT which is adjustable objective and long eye relief. That critter doesn't exist probably, so irons is the way to go I think. Hey J Frame, at what distance are you getting one hole groups, approx.? I sure couldn't do that well at all at 10 yards, or even 5. Maybe I could at 5 yards if there was a brighter light on in the house, and a target with a smaller bullseye.

[Dr.Rob]

Color me sick... I almost bought a Colt air pistol. But $200 bucks for a BB gun seems pricey, even if it has a lil Pony on the slide.

I forget the Walther model I had... it was a break action that could break a streetlight with ease (not that I ever did such a lawless thing)

[Dr. J Frame]

Hey J Frame, at what distance are you getting one hole groups, approx.?
I just measured it at 19ft, so 6.3 yards. Realize that this has only happened a FEW times out of several-hundred groups. It's capable...this shooter usually isn't. :)

I shut down for 4-5 months a year during winter frost and sub-zero temps. There really isn't a whole lot to do. This passes the time. I also purchased one of these IZH-46s but enjoy the P3 more. I can't get used to the large sights on the IZH.
http://www.chaosreigns.com/pics/izh46.jpg

[GunGoBoom]

Several things:

First, I now realize that this should have gone in "Non-Firearm Weapons" rather than here - doh; can a mod move it please?

Second, OK, thanks Dr J Frame - sounds about right - where are you at that it gets so cold?

Finally, in answer to my own question, Burris does in fact have a complete line of AO pistol scopes... BUT, they are all largish (32mm objectives, relative high magnif) - WTH? There is a frustrating, glaring omission/need in the market, it seems to me, and that is an AO handgun scope that is small and light, 20-24mm objective, maybe 28, and which is offered in fixed 2, fixed 2.5, fixed 3, fixed 4, and/or 1-4 ish. Man I wish someone made that for air pistols (or a 'scout' air rifle)! It would also be quite useful for rimfire pistols/revolvers.

[P95Carry]

I had meant to move it for you originally - forgot!!!

Done.

[GunGoBoom]

thanks, P95!