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gunracer1
August 11, 2005, 01:05 PM
i have been wanting one for years and they are not getting any cheaper. i really like the semi auto barretts but i just see no way i could afford one. so i know there are more than a few manufactures out there nowadays. who would you reccomend.
and yes this is my first post i just found y'all by accident and my fun filter here at work didn't block me so all is well. i kind of miss hanging around the gun bunch. i did a lot of uspsa, steel and 3 gun 10/15 years or so ago and i am thinking about getting back in it. i had to back off back then, 3 kids at home and one mad wife when i was gone evey weekend. but my son enjoys shooting and i think it would be great to get him into it.
but i have been lucky enought to keep my uspsa pistols up to date, all 3 are sv's, one 9mm open,one 40 limited and a 9mm commander set up for a silincer if i ever get off my but and send in the paper work to build it.
thanks for any suggestions, mike

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GunGoBoom
August 11, 2005, 02:21 PM
It'll be good to have you *back into the fold*. I want pictures showing the look on the face of the match coordinator when you show up for an IPSC 3-gun with your Armalite AR-50 as your rifle. :) Seriously, I too would like to know what the esteemed membership thinks is a good value in an affordable (aka single shot) .50...

Gifted
August 11, 2005, 02:30 PM
I've been looking for one to buy eventually myself. I want more than one shot though, so semi or bolt with a magazine for me. I'm looking to spend enough money to get it though.

Nick1911
August 11, 2005, 02:41 PM
*sigh*

I would like a .50 cal - who knows if they will be avaliable in the future. :(

However - right now I need to concentrate on getting at least one class III...

GunGoBoom
August 11, 2005, 02:45 PM
If they ban .50s, then I'm gettin a 14.5 mm JDJ, or a .577 Tyrannasour. The antis are just stupid enough to ban "fifty caliber rifles" precisely - I'm pretty sure that's what Calif did, right?

50 Shooter
August 11, 2005, 02:58 PM
I refer newbies to this site because he has alot of info, http://www.hevanet.com/temple/

For the money it's hard to beat the Serbu BFG or Armalite AR-50, there's also the State Arms "Shorty". Any of the so-called "entry" level .50's will serve you well, just stay away from Hesse/Vulcan.

Zak Smith
August 11, 2005, 03:34 PM
I own an McBros/GAP 50BMG, and have shot most of the others...

For any money, the A.L.S. AR15 upper is hard to beat (and it's under $2000). For a dedicated gun under silly money, the Armalite AR-50 is a great deal. It has good ergos, a decent trigger, very mild recoil, and is easy to rebarrel. To get something much better, you need to spend over $10k (ie, the AI-AW50-- I've shot that too).

-z

Rockrivr1
August 11, 2005, 03:54 PM
+1 on the Serbu. I picked up the Serbu BFG-50 a couple of years ago and that is one solid, accurate and dependable 50 BMG. It is a single shot. I would of loved to get the semi auto, but Serbu wasn't offering them at the time. Plus semi autos are priced through the roof. Not sure if they offer a semi auto now or not. Either way, you will be satisfied if you pick one of these up. I believe one of the gun mags rated it #1 over some pretty big names. You can read the article on their web site. I've seen some for sale over on Biggerhammer.net for around $1,800 or so. Good luck

gunracer1
August 11, 2005, 04:04 PM
thanks for the heads up, i have a lot of reading and browsing to do.

Rockrivr1
August 11, 2005, 04:07 PM
lol, yep you do. But looking for the right rifle is half the fun of buying the rifle. All I have to say about owning one is you'd better have a strong shoulder. Oh and by the way. Welcome to the board!

RecoilRob
August 11, 2005, 07:40 PM
I have an AR-50 and haven't regretted the decision. Very accurate so long as good ammo is used. Talon Ball re-man that was culled for under .015 runout shot several 4 inch 600 meter groups on a gusty day.

Trigger is Remington M-700 type and very adjustable. Nice, clean 4lb pull. No creep or overtravel. Heavy 36lb rifle. Bitch to carry around but pleasure to shoot....recoil wise. It kicks about 4 inches and then the muzzlebreak stops it. Stay away from the scope and let it move a little and the thing is a real pussycat. A NOISY pussycat though! VERY concussive muzzleblast that WILL knock the snot out of your sinuses!

Oh, thinking that you want a magazine rifle is, IMO, unnecessary. Lay some rounds beside the rifle and you can load and fire as quickly as you can work the bolt. Plus it is faster for sustained fire because you do not need to change and load mags. Really, rapid fire with the AR-50 is possible and fun....but the fastest I can acquire various targets and hit them is probably 6 seconds per. Semi or magazine gun would not be appreciably faster for me.

jefnvk
August 11, 2005, 07:44 PM
However - right now I need to concentrate on getting at least one class III...

Kill two birds with one stone. Get an M2 :D

Cesiumsponge
August 11, 2005, 07:50 PM
I've heard great things about the Armalite AR-50. I myself plan to get it's smaller brother--the AR-30. If I went with an affordable bolt-action magazine fed 50, AR-50 would be my choice.

Gordon
August 11, 2005, 08:00 PM
Ar-50 ! ;)

Ohen Cepel
August 11, 2005, 08:07 PM
My bro is putting together a McMillan action and stock from them (they give a nice military discount. He's having it put together by a custom guy in his AO. He want's it to be as close to possible as the Canadian version that's on record for the longest confirmed shot.

I think I would go with a Barrett or Serbu myself. Just thought I would pitch a different spin though. You could always buy the action, then the stock, then get it put together as the $$ became available.

Anyway you go it should be a good investment and a lot of fun :evil:

taliv
August 11, 2005, 08:10 PM
i bought the serbu BFG-50 2 or 3 years ago. It's an excellent gun, but my experience with Mr. Serbu was appreciably shy of pleasant. I wouldn't do business with him again.

Fumbler
August 11, 2005, 10:16 PM
i bought the serbu BFG-50 2 or 3 years ago. It's an excellent gun, but my experience with Mr. Serbu was appreciably shy of pleasant. I wouldn't do business with him again.
What went wrong? If its something bad that can happen to any of us then it would be helpful if we knew why we should avoid giving him our money.

Rockrivr1
August 12, 2005, 08:15 AM
taliv, I'm surprised to hear about your experience with Mr Serbu. I talked to him personally when I had questions pertaining to buying one of his rifles and I found the experience pleasant and informative. If you get a chance post what happened. Maybe he was having a bad day or something. Happens to the best of us.

taliv
August 12, 2005, 11:15 AM
it's been long enough that I don't remember the details of the conversations, so posting my account wouldn't be fair.

i bought the gun when he had a short waiting list, and when he was still going through some changes in the design (like adding the 'shark brake')

i bought it as an x-mas present for my dad, and iirc i ordered it in like mid-november and was originally told to expect it in mid-december.

i don't remember when i got the gun, but it was a month or two late. it was a long series of excuses ("the secretary lost your order", "my machinist is in jail", "i fired my secretary", etc) and every week a promise i'd get it the next week.

now, i totally appreciate the challenges small business owners have and i'd cut them a lot of slack for stuff like the above. but when it's accompanied by a bad attitude, i'll go elsewhere.

if you guys have had good experiences, then I'm glad to hear that.

Magnuumpwr
August 12, 2005, 06:19 PM
I own a State Arms Rebel model with the laminate wood stock, heavy Walther bull barrel, and extra heavy duty fish gill break. 44 # total package. If I were to buy another at this particular time, the Cobb 50 would be my first choice. Options/price seems like a real deal. www.cobb50.com. Suggested M.S.R.P. is $2995. It is a bolt-action 50 BMG with a detachable 10 round mag. Wish you luck with your endeavor of finding a 50 BMG to fill your needs.

Magnuum

longhorngunman
August 12, 2005, 09:11 PM
I'd like to get into .50BMG shooting in a year or two, I've looked at some of the upper conversions like the A.L.S. . What I was wondering is how do the AR lowers hold up to the repeated pounding of the .50. I mean bumpfiring a 1,200FPE is one thing. Shooting a 13,000FPE round is quite another.

Double Naught Spy
August 12, 2005, 09:38 PM
You know, if you really want power, there is something really special about having the semi-auto capacity. I like my 82A1.

A buddy of mine seemed to need to point out that it is not the most accurate of the .50s out there. I knew this. I'll gladly suffer the 1/2-1 moa difference in accuracy for the ability to put more rounds on target.

50 Shooter
August 12, 2005, 09:39 PM
There hasn't been any reported failures of lowers that I've heard of or seen. I know a couple people with the .50 upper/AR lowers and so far all is fine.

taliv
August 12, 2005, 10:04 PM
i hear you, double-naught, and that is a pretty reasonable, middle of the road view. my interest in the cartridge is the two extremes:

full-auto M2 with APIT ammo
or
extreme accuracy, one round at a time

anything between those, and i'd prefer a different cartrige. partially, the reason is that with most other accurate calibers, (e.g. 308win, 223rem, etc) i can put more rounds on target with a semi-auto. with a 50, there's no way i can stay on the gun with that recoil. it's at least a second or two before i can eyeball the scope again. i figure if i'm off anyways, i can work the bolt and it won't cost me anything.

bosshoff
August 12, 2005, 11:11 PM
Anyone have a Barrett 99 Big Shot?

bosshoff
August 12, 2005, 11:12 PM
Anyone have a Barrett 99 Big Shot? I told my wife the moment they are banned in Illinois, I am robbing the savings account to pick one up. I think she thought I was kidding. ;)

Zak Smith
August 12, 2005, 11:14 PM
I owned a Barrett M99 briefly. I prefered the Armalite AR-50 to it strongly.

The M99 trigger is Glock-like due to the bullpup design, and I found its muzzle blast much more punishing than any other I've fired.

artherd
August 13, 2005, 02:38 AM
Honestly, the M82-A1 really is 'it' for me. And it's a great deal even at $7300! (Hey, there's only ONE other semi .50, and since AI has not actually shipped their 'seal .50' rifle to *anyone*, and publically stated that it will not ever be available for civie use, the Barrett wins by default :)

Sure, it's a 1.5-2MOA gun. I've got a bolt .338Lapua (AR-30 actually, great gun) for ultimate accuracy.

But with the ability to deliver just over a FULL POUND OF LEAD on target in less than 10 seconds at 600meters, I can live with that.


AR-50 would be my choice for a bolt-action on a budget. AI's AW .50 at $13grand would be my no-budget choice for a bolt gun :)

RecoilRob
August 13, 2005, 10:48 AM
Just had the AR-50 out yesterday playing with Bluetips for the first time. FUN! And, I just couldn't resist seeing what a Ball round would do to the creek.

Cesiumsponge
August 13, 2005, 12:16 PM
RecoilRob :And, I just couldn't resist seeing what a Ball round would do to the creek.
You killed the creek! :D I read that hte AR-50's Thor-like muzzle break is among one of the most efficient designs out there. How's the recoil feel on that thing?
artherd :Hey, there's only ONE other semi .50, and since AI has not actually shipped their 'seal .50' rifle to *anyone*, and publically stated that it will not ever be available for civie use, the Barrett wins by default

Serbu is supposed to put out a semi-automatic 50BMG shortly called the BFG-50A. They're looking at a target price of 5000 smackers. I'm not sure on the business and pleasantries dealing with their staff as mentioned in an earlier post, but it looks like one of their minimalist designs based off the original BFG-50
http://www.serbu.com/bfg50a.jpg

Magnuumpwr
August 13, 2005, 04:41 PM
Here is a pic of my State Arms 50 BMG. It shoots like a dream putting 750 gr. A-Max bullets down range.

tokarev
August 13, 2005, 04:56 PM
Heres just another shameless plug for my products
the UltraMag 50 upper conversion for the AR-15 and the SHF/R50 our new complete out of the box .50 cal rifle.
www.safetyharborfirearms.com

artherd
August 13, 2005, 05:02 PM
Serbu is supposed to put out a semi-automatic 50BMG shortly called the BFG-50A. They're looking at a target price of 5000 smackers. I'm not sure on the business and pleasantries dealing with their staff as mentioned in an earlier post, but it looks like one of their minimalist designs based off the original BFG-50
http://www.serbu.com/bfg50a.jpg

People have a lot of good to say about the BFG-50, but hasn't this 'semi' version been 'coming out' for like 3+ years now?

So yeah, Barrett's still the only one. Maybe not the best design in the world for ultimate accuracy, but, once again, the ONLY one right now! (and as the M107, serving with distinction and rave reviews as we speak.)

50 Shooter
August 14, 2005, 06:57 AM
Not exactly, there is always the M2 and the Pauza (if you can find one) in semi auto .50's. TNW sells M2's and M3's for about the same cost as an M82, there was a company that started making the Pauza again at a cost of around 9K. Armalite had it on their table at the SHOT show a couple years back, I guess they didn't feel like marketing it.

tokarev
August 14, 2005, 10:52 AM
The Pauza design is very expensive to manufacture. The receiver is machined from a solid chuck of steel. Imagine a SKS on steriods and you have a Pauza.
The fire control group is made the same way. Thats proabaly the main reason they (Armalite) didnt start production. Also all of Robert Pauza's rifles were all hand fit together by him. Other folks have tried to makmufacture the design all had function problems. Its also a heavy rifle - military is looking for lighter designs - all the operators I have talked with all dislike the current issue semi auto because of its weight primarly.

50 Shooter
August 14, 2005, 12:23 PM
Walter,
What's up with the semi .50 upper? Is it still going to be made?

Here's the company that's currently producing the Pauza, http://www.freshourmfg.com/gunbuild/p50/specs_c.html

Lucky
August 14, 2005, 06:21 PM
tokarev I like that rifle, very nice.

Out of curiousity, what is the difference from barrel lengths? Longer gives greater range and less muzzle blast, but shorter gives greater accuracy?

Is there some sort of Startrek-like principle with 'harmonic resonance' or something that derives a perfect barrel length?

Whatever the case your rifle is affordable and thus on my wish-list:)

tokarev
August 14, 2005, 08:24 PM
First things first - We never were working on a semi upper - I was involved in another semi auto complete rifle project but not any more.
Barrel lengths - Shorter barrel less recoil (if you have a good brake) more muzzle flash. Longer barrel better for longer distances less muzzle flash more weight to offset recoil. I guess it depends on the type of shooting you will be doing.

artherd
August 15, 2005, 02:46 AM
M2 dosen't count, a fine gun, but it's an 80lb crew served weapon :)

And I've never even heard of the Pauza, or seen one one in action. Can I buy one today? (looked at it, I think the Barrett beats it for value/quality anyway.)

ctdonath
August 15, 2005, 07:33 PM
the ability to deliver just over a FULL POUND OF LEAD on target in less than 10 seconds at 600metersWhat more to say? :what: :D

wardog
August 21, 2005, 12:21 PM
I own a State Arms Rebel model with the laminate wood stock, heavy Walther bull barrel, and extra heavy duty fish gill break. 44 # total package. If I were to buy another at this particular time, the Cobb 50 would be my first choice. Options/price seems like a real deal. www.cobb50.com. Suggested M.S.R.P. is $2995. It is a bolt-action 50 BMG with a detachable 10 round mag. Wish you luck with your endeavor of finding a 50 BMG to fill your needs.

Magnuum,

Do you have any experience with the Cobb BA50? I am very interested in one. Info seems scarce at this point. I don't know how many BA50 rifles they've actually delivered at this time, maybe none?

Thanks,
WD

tommyhauske
October 5, 2009, 03:49 PM
what would be the better gun shooting and less recoil wise between the Serbu BFG-50 and the SHF R50??

Zak Smith
October 5, 2009, 03:53 PM
There was no need to resurrect this four year old thread.

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