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mattman the gun fan
August 12, 2005, 02:25 AM
ok as of now im 3 days from 16 in a couple years i hope to get a gun.but i want a handgun.i know you have to be 21 to purchase them at a gun dealer.but i heard there are ways around this like a private purchase or someone giving it to you as a present.also what do you need to carry a hand gun. basicaly i am asking what permits do you need to carry a handgun and own a handgun.if it helps i live in hamilton ohio not to be confused with hamilton county .hamilton is by cincinatti. and can cities have different rules than state rules?please and thank you for the responses everything else has been confusing and the police department doesnt answere there questions very well.

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Ukraine Train
August 12, 2005, 06:34 AM
Start here: http://www.packing.org/state/ohio/

Coronach
August 12, 2005, 08:31 AM
Each city can make up its own laws, but the charges can only be misdemeanors. city ordnances on guns and ammo will vary from none to outright bans on certain weapons.

Packing.org is a great resource.

Mike

Fastlane
August 12, 2005, 09:58 AM
Mattman:

Your post concerns me, you are 16 years old. Why are you asking questions about carrying a handgun? If it is for general knowledge fine, but if you are thinking about carrying illegally, please remember most of Ohio is not very forgiving when it concerns guns. Not trying to preach to you :). I would hate to see you break a law that could affect you the rest of your life.

Henry Bowman
August 12, 2005, 10:13 AM
To legally carry a handgun (concealed) in Ohio, you must be 21 and get a license. To get the license you must take an approved course that is at least 12 hours long (including at least 2 hours on the range shooting), submit an application, photo, and fee. If the background check clears, it license must be issued.

In Ohio, you may possess a handgun if you are over 18, but may not buy one until you are 21. Federal law says a licensed dealer may not sell it to you until 21, but Ohio law makes it a crime to furnish a handgun to someone under 21 unless they are "under your [the giver's] supervision."

My advice, start with a .22 rifle. They are cheap to buy and to shoot. You must be 18 to purchase, but there are many ways to legally (and safely) use one before you are 18.

If you want to work on handgun skills, you might consider airsoft or finding an adult (preferably a parent) who can teach you safety and skills (again starting with a .22) prior to turning 18.

Stick around here (and as some have suggested, packing.org) and learn. here are several THR members in this area (some in their early 20's) who will be glad to talk to you also.

mattman the gun fan
August 12, 2005, 11:15 AM
i wouldnt think of haveing a firearm illegaly in ohio there harsh on the laws.and i dont get it i cant buy a handgun from someone when im 18 but i can own one?

mattman the gun fan
August 12, 2005, 11:17 AM
also sorry for causing so much comfusion im new at the gun deal and i want to get my facts tottaly straight before i go out to buy one.

taliv
August 12, 2005, 11:38 AM
isn't the "you must be 21 to possess a handgun" law a FEDERAL law?

I've got a little pamphlet around here somewhere explaining said law and it says there are exemptions, like "if you receive it as part of an inheritance, you can own a handgun but not possess it"

i think you can own/possess a rifle at any age, but must be 21 to purchase. could be wrong... it's been a whle since i was 21

Father Knows Best
August 12, 2005, 11:49 AM
Matt, let's be perfectly clear on this: YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A HANDGUN FOR AT LEAST FIVE MORE YEARS! There is no "way around" that. No one can legally sell you a handgun until you are 21. If someone who is 21 or older buys one for the purpose of giving it to you, that is what is known as a "straw man" sale and is illegal. Both the purchased and you go to jail for it (and the seller, if he knew the buyer was going to give the gun to you).

Wait until you're 18, and then buy yourself a rifle. Join a gun club. Learn how to use the rifle safely, and get proficient with it. When you're 21, you will be well prepared for a handgun. Attend a good firearms training school, and get your carry permit. Practice often. But not yet.

Henry Bowman
August 12, 2005, 12:00 PM
i dont get it i cant buy a handgun from someone when im 18 but i can own one? Who told you that the law always make sense? Actually, you can own one, but I can't sell you one. :confused: Still confused? I can give you one, if you are under my supervision during its use. If we are at the range or hunting or plinking and I am right there with you, I may do that. In theory, you could be under my supervision even when I am not there with you, -- but I'm not going to do that, and neither will most adults other than a parent.

What is your parents' attitude on guns and their use? Can you get involved in an organization that will teach youth gun safety (like 4-H or scouts) that will give them some comfort if they are not comfortable or do not have the knowledge to teach you. Also there is trap and skeet -- which is cool because you shoot at moving targets. There are youth opportunities at the club in Middletown (although I'm not a member there).

I know that all of this doesn't sound nearly as fun as blasting away at cans and stuff in a junkyard or learning self defense handgun techniques. It's not. But sometimes you have to endure a while to get where you want to be.

Father Knows Best
August 12, 2005, 12:14 PM
I know that all of this doesn't sound nearly as fun as blasting away at cans and stuff in a junkyard or learning self defense handgun techniques. It's not.

I beg to differ. I find trap, skeet and especially sporting clays to be a lot more fun than blasting away cans and stuff, or learning self-defense handgun techniques. To each his own.

wdlsguy
August 12, 2005, 12:24 PM
Looks like you need to be 18+ to buy a rifle or shotgun, 21+ to buy a handgun in Ohio.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=OH
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/statelaws/25thedition/ohio.pdf

Henry Bowman
August 12, 2005, 12:25 PM
There are also fun handgun games. Our interests evolve. I began (at about age 25) with an interest in gun rights advocacy, long before I owned any guns. I had shot my Dad's guns as a kid and done a little hunting. I first bought a trap gun, then a skeet gun. Later I became interested in handguns and self defense. It was years later before I discovered any interest in rifles. Now I'm playing handgun games (steel shoots) on Friday evenings in the summer. It's all fun.

I'm just trying to harken back to being 15 (the worse year of most boys' lives). Really the best advice it to worry about becoming a good driver. That is the best way to set a concrete example of your responsibility.

mattman the gun fan
August 12, 2005, 12:32 PM
my dad is major pro gun he was a weapons specialist in the army he taught everyone how to use them and he tested every gun model that went through....my mom on the other hand wont allow them in the house for one reason because my brother is a bad boy (hes been to jail a few times and he just turned 14).so if i were to buy a handgun at 18 and someone were willing to sell it to me.the only reason it would be illegal is because i wasnt 21 so when i turn 21 it would be legal? also i feel for you cincinnati is so damn strict on gun laws. gun laws dont matter on vine street :D

mattman the gun fan
August 12, 2005, 12:37 PM
well guys thanks for the help and looks like im screwed for another 5 years on the handgun issue.oh yeah and watch out in cininnati the gangs are comming in strong down there in the past few months but why am i telling you?you live there!! but really they come down here to recruit little kids.and then the kids run away.my best friend did.he did it just so he could get a uzi.crazy.

Greg L
August 12, 2005, 12:37 PM
Lots of good information here but Henry said it best:
I'm just trying to harken back to being 15 (the worse year of most boys' lives). Really the best advice it to worry about becoming a good driver. That is the best way to set a concrete example of your responsibility.

Even the most enthusiastic shooter will in general spend less time on the range than he will behind the wheel. There is a thread over in General that deals with introducing a teen to shooting. While you may not need the introduction, there are quite a few good ideas of where to go to be able to shoot.

For the next couple/few years you aren't going to be able to do a whole lot by yourself with firearms. It may not be fair but it is the world that we live in. Please don't do something stupid now because you think that you should be able to, it might impact your ability to own any for the rest of your life. For now, do what you can when you can and enjoy those opportunities. Adulthood and everything that comes with it will be along soon enough.

A fellow named Strunk might help you out as well.

Greg

mattman the gun fan
August 12, 2005, 12:41 PM
thanks greg im gun safe im just tryin to prepare myself with all the laws when the time comes.dont wanna be a idiot buyin something i shouldnt be or packing something i shouldnt be.

Greg L
August 12, 2005, 12:47 PM
That sounds good. I/we were just a little worried because doing something stupid now could affect you for the rest of your life (and while you probably don't think so now, there is a LOT of life ahead of you - said from my grand old age of 39 :D ).

For now, your safest assumption should be that unless you are on a range (or with your parents) you shouldn't be carrying anything anywhere. In 2 years things will ease up for rifles/shotguns and 5 years for handguns. In this political climate don't expect that to change & you'll just have to wait it out.

Henry Bowman
August 12, 2005, 03:08 PM
A fellow named Strunk might help you out as well. And his good friend White (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/020530902X/qid=1123869712/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3043321-7654346?v=glance&s=books&n=507846). ;)

Try privately sharing your interest with your dad. I don't mean to drive a wedge between you and your mom. Just tell your dad you'd like to spend some "guy time" together. Given your brother's history, he will probably jump at it and your mom be estatic as well. Tell him that you would really like for him to take you shooting some time. Just for fun -- father/son thing. Not a new hobby with lots of gear to buy and stuff. No [*shutter*] "guns in the house." :rolleyes: If he doesn't know where to go or what to do in this area, ask us.

Javelin Man
August 12, 2005, 03:29 PM
Not to harp heavily on your grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc., but spend a little more time in English class learning the finer points of writing. You will look better on job applications and sound better in interviews so you can get that better paying job to afford that better handgun when you turn 21. It takes very little more effort than what you are presently typing to do it right.

Also, you are correct about Vine Street; the only time I have needed my concealed handgun was at the intersection of Vine and Third. A man came up and asked for money, and I could sense he wasn't going to settle for spare change. I stuck my hand in my pocket as I said "NO!" and he understood what I meant.

Don't go around the law. Practice with your dad and get his advice. Whether you follow it or not is up to you, but listen to him. Learn from your brother's mistakes, too.

Good luck.

Castle
August 12, 2005, 03:32 PM
Matt -

Hidden in one of the other posts was a nugget of good information. Get yourself an Airsoft or CO2 pistol. You can practice with this in the garage, backyard, or basement.

As for "real" firearms, you're stuck going shooting with an adult and/or participating in a youth shooting program until 18. 4H Shooting Sports has a good program, as does the NRA and the Boy Scouts. Some schools have them through JROTC. Some NRA Instructors or Clubs put on training events for folks your age. I know I'd be happy to have you in a Pistol Class.

Another option is to take up trap shooting or sporting clays. Readily available in Ohio and will improve your overall shooting ability. Look in the phone book or check the internet for places to shoot.

And, yes, learning how to drive well is FAR more important. Much greater chance of you dying in a car wreck than by firearm. There's a teen driving program at Mid-Ohio.

Tod.
Coshocton, OH

SMMAssociates
August 12, 2005, 04:28 PM
Matt:

Glad you found us instead of a streetcorner....

My 19-year-old daughter "owns" a .22 target pistol, and a single-shot .22 rifle. They're both locked up here, and I've got the keys. Technically, she can't "own" the pistol, but the law's fuzzy enough to let me buy it and tell her that it's hers. She could take the rifle to college with her (she lives in another city now) without violating any laws, but I have a feeling her roomies would react funny. :eek:

When she's in town, we try to schedule a range night. 'Bout half the time she puts the .22's down and prefers to shoot something hotter, but that's OK. I just make her clean them.... I don't think she's interested in carry at all, but going out to shoot with dad is one of those things kids like. If I was collecting stamps, or motorcycles, she'd possibly find those equally interesting as "time with dad."

(Carrying a gun for personal defense is a whole 'nother thread. At fifteen, it's as much a fantasy as reality. I hate to say it, but you'll just have to stick with the calendar. Meantime, the web and your local library - I'd watch what you brought to school - have all kinds of resources, stuff you can study, and get an idea of what I'm talking about. In particular, although I think he's a bit paranoid, read Massad Ayoob's "In The Gravest Extreme", as well as whatever you can get your hands on regarding safe gun handling, types of guns, reloading, whatever. It'll keep you off the streets, and probably drive your mother nuts....)

You have one positive point going here - your dad is at least interested in this stuff. He and your mom might be able to come to some kind of agreement whereby the two of you can find a local range or some other organization, and both of you can shoot regularly. I think he might like it, and you're going to make everybody nuts until you get a chance. My dad was almost as big an anti as your mom until I came home with a badge on my shirt. (Just a rent-a-cop. My day job involves computers. Armed programmer....)

Many clubs have "youth day" activities where you can just show up, and somebody will hand you a .22 and point you to a target. (OK, it's more complicated than that, but you get the idea.) See if you can get your dad to take you to one of those. You may have to find it yourself - a counterperson at a nearby gun store (even the WalMart, I suppose) might be able to point something out that's nearby. You won't have to buy anything (except maybe a box of .22's), so mom won't have anything to complain about regarding guns in the house.

Your school may have a rifle club, too, or something like that - they're getting kind of rare, but.... (When I was in First Grade there were High School kids on my bus with rifles! Horrors....) Boy Scouts? Dunno, but ask....

Funny thing about my dad - he was in a CCC camp before WWII (look it up :) ), and was a machine gunner! He then spent all of WWII and most of the Korean War in the military. Guess he was "out" on guns because he was medical....

The guys are right about the driver's license. If nothing else, it'll get you out of the house. You may also meet some nice guys & gals with guns, too. "But Officer, you're not filling that ticket out correctly." (Just ask my daughter.) You will find that getting a car, or trying to get one, will change your priorities.

Finally, a story.... I used to find shooting galleries at any and all fairs, amusement parks, etc. I was always very tall for my age, so being able to count out the quarters required to step up to the counter and shoot was my milestone there. I got pretty good. (A few week at a YMCA camp with a rifle range also helped.) "Wow, look at me!" Somehow I found a gallery that had pistols. Oops.... I didn't kill anybody (how the heck they get people to work in those booths....), but what looked so easy on TV was impossible. I finally got the hang of it about 10 years later....

(The wife, btw, isn't interested, but isn't an anti. She's not quite been right since we were at Disney World on our Honeymoon and I found the shooting gallery there.... Wonder if it's still there....)

Don't look at this as "those old guys are lucky - they can buy whatever they want, and shoot whenever they want." At fifteen, getting mom or dad to buy it for you is a lot more fun. 'Course, you need realistic goals. Mom didn't want to hear about the pony.... Or the Mercedes. My first car was a Studebaker "Lark". Look that one up, too, but promise not to laugh.

Stay away from drugs, too. It appears that a juvenile drug conviction will permanently bar you from a CHL at this time. You don't want that....

Regards,

Standing Wolf
August 12, 2005, 04:35 PM
...everything else has been confusing and the police department doesnt answere there questions very well.

My best advice: learn spelling, grammar, punctuation, and usage before undertaking adventures in firearms: you'll be much more likely to make the right first impression upon people.

mattman the gun fan
August 13, 2005, 01:11 AM
Yes i know my grammer on the computer is very bad.but when im writing something out i take time to make sure its perfect,and besides how many sixteen year olds pay alot of attention to grammer? After saying that im gonna get all kinds of flak from everyone about how "my sixteen year old daughter won the state spelling bee 8 years in a row". you guys are still really cool.Not alot of people help others out the way you guys do. thanks alot!

SMMAssociates
August 13, 2005, 02:42 AM
Matt:

Reminds me of my daughter's IM environment....

However, please note that our comments about your spelling and grammar aren't intended to belittle you or your abilities.

Rather, we're looking at "image."

The "antis" prefer to see us as redneck yokels or psychos worthy of Hitchcock's Norman Bates. Or worse....

Simply not true.... This group (and others you're likely to find) is populated by men and women from all walks of life, and of all ages. The proverbial "Doctors, Lawyers, and Indian Chiefs".... And Programmers, Police Officers, Shoe Salesmen, Cattle Herders, Dog Breeders, and, well, redneck yokels....

We try to maintain an atmosphere of professionalism here - to not look like the antis prefer. This requires some care in posting, and sometimes takes a lot of time, but when we're done, while we may not appear to be College Professors, we try to work towards that goal. I've taken an hour to compose a response once in a while - and it's usually been worth it.

As a Computer Professional for more than 35 years, I'm a seriously good typist, too, which is an advantage, but if you consider that it still took me quite a few minutes to post this, you can imagine that I do a lot more thinking than typing.

I'm also getting old enough that I sometimes have to wander off and research something (or wander off and use the "facility" - diuretics are a PITA). I don't mind that - I still may screw up, but it looks nice....

Reminds me of a joke.... A guy goes into a tailor's shop to buy a suit. Tailor hands him one, and he puts it on. One arm is too short, so he asks about it, and is told to "hold your arm like this, and it'll look nice." One leg is similarly off, and he's given similar advice. The jacket is a bit large, so the Tailor suggests holding his stomach "just so." He buys it and leaves. (Nobody said he was too bright.) Of course, he's walking looking something like the Hunchback of Notre Dame mixed with Frankenstein. Couple of old ladies walk by: "Look at that poor man." "But see how well his suit fits!" :D

I don't know whether you've got other hobbies or not. Some of us do, and some don't. One of the key elements to most hobbies is the "Elmer" principle, however it's called. "Elmer" is an older mentor who we can call upon for advice, and who genuinely enjoys it. (And, usually, who actually knows what he's talking about :eek: .) Wake him up and look out.... And, you can't get all of this from books or just passively surfing the web. Eventually, you become Elmer....

So, we help each other.... If somebody comes along and asks "how do you take apart an S&W M39 for cleaning", several of us are likely to respond with the details, or at least a URL. Same thing applies to about everything. Everybody's trying to be Elmer. To pay back, in effect, the Elmer that taught me, I pass it along.... 'Course, if you ask me what time it is, I might tell you how to build a watch, but who knows, you might learn something about that, too....

Besides the flat-out fun of poking holes in paper and hunting if you're into it (not to mention things like gunsmithing, reloading, etc.) this group has also chosen to get involved in something rather deeper. We have come to terms with, or are trying to, the idea that there are people out there against whom we may need to use deadly force to protect ourselves, loved ones, or even complete strangers. And that there are people out there who feel that a dead rape victim is more important than a dead rapist - people who would deny us the right to defend.... This makes for some somber discussion, some cussing, and, the image scenario I started this post with.

But we're happy to have you here, spelling, grammar, or whatever, notwithstanding. We're here to help each other....

Regards,

mattman the gun fan
August 13, 2005, 03:32 AM
thanks SMM like i said before,you guys are the most welcoming group ive been in.Many people on other forums jump all over new people.you guys have accepted me right from the beggining. :o thanks

SMMAssociates
August 13, 2005, 05:07 AM
Matt:

thanks SMM like i said before,you guys are the most welcoming group ive been in.Many people on other forums jump all over new people.you guys have accepted me right from the beggining. thanks

Or we've got really low standards :neener: .

Seriously, we're glad to have you here. Someday, maybe, you can do this for another young person.

Regards,

zahc
August 13, 2005, 03:33 PM
In Ohio, you may possess a handgun if you are over 18, but may not buy one until you are 21

TTBOMK, this is WRONG. It is my understanding that in OH, it is illegal for anyone under 21 to be in posession of a handgun.

If you can show otherwise I would be very interested.

mattman the gun fan
August 14, 2005, 11:05 AM
hmmm confliction..I heard that in Akron you can own a handgun at 18.Is this true?

wdlsguy
August 14, 2005, 11:22 AM
Ohio Rev. Code

2923.211. Underage purchase of firearm or handgun.
(A) No person under eighteen years of age shall purchase or attempt to purchase a firearm.
(B) No person under twenty-one years of age shall purchase or attempt to purchase a handgun, provided that this division does not apply to the purchase or attempted purchase of a handgun by a person eighteen years of age or older and under twenty-one years of age if the person eighteen years of age or older and under twentyone years of age is a law enforcement officer who is properly appointed or employed as a law enforcement officer and has received firearms training approved by the Ohio peace officer training council or equivalent firearms training.
(C) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of underage purchase of a firearm, a delinquent act that would be a felony of the fourth degree if it could be committed by an adult. Whoever violates division (B) of this section is guilty of underage purchase of a handgun, a misdemeanor of the second degree.

The City of Akron can't allow you to do something the State of Ohio prohibits you from doing.

SMMAssociates
August 14, 2005, 12:56 PM
Zahc:

It's important to note that while a person under 21 (disregarding the LE ownership issue) cannot possess (let's call that "own") a handgun, he or she can use one under the supervision of a person over 21. (Or, I suppose a qualifying LEO.)

So mom, dad, or uncle Jake can take the kids to the range.... :)

Without looking, an "under 21" probably can inherit or receive a handgun as a gift, and "own" it, but actual control would have to be deferred. IOW, I can give my 19-year-old daughter a .22 target pistol, but not the key to the box it's in. When she turns 21, she can have the key. Meantime, we can take her and the gun to the range. (She cannot transport the gun herself without a responsible adult in the car. Lord knows about putting it in a backpack and walking to the range, but that's probably a non-issue if said adult is with her.)

IANAL....

Now, if I only had an "uncle Jake".... I had two uncles with firearms experience during WWII, and dad was a machine gunner at a CCC camp before the war. All three were essentially anti's, although dad and one uncle had no problems with me once I got the badge. The other one was a little iffy about it. His older brother bought me a gun once.... (I was over 21 :evil: .) Very long story, but we were driving through a bad part of Canton OH one day, and he said: "Stu, I hope you have your gun with you." I just smiled.... :cool:

****

The funny thing about Matt's Akron reference is that there's some legal stuff in process in Toledo because Toledo is trying to forbid some stuff that OH law permits, and the law in question appears to pre-empt that. Cities in OH can pre-empt State laws where the law in question lacks wording to the effect that they can't.... Wonder why the Courts are involved?

Regards,

mattman the gun fan
August 15, 2005, 02:15 AM
I also hear that alot of places are trying to ban guns all together.If that happens i know alot of people that will be hitting the streets for there guns.sad but true.I wish it were back in the founding fathers era were we could over throw the goverment if they tried to screw us over.Oh yes the good days :D

SMMAssociates
August 15, 2005, 03:03 AM
Matt:

I also hear that alot of places are trying to ban guns all together.If that happens i know alot of people that will be hitting the streets for there guns.sad but true.

I'm hoping that the pendulum is swinging back the other way, but who knows. We've got to work together to help that along.

It seems to be a fact that there are indeed a lot of people out there who either just plain don't care, or actively seek to make serfs out of us. The former we can deal with, I hope, but the latter are probably already taken....

They fear us, and may even wish to be armed, or to have armed bodyguards, but cannot tolerate the idea that us serfs could be able to defend ourselves. After all, if we thought about things like that, we might notice their gold-plated urinals and other great priveleges....

So they pull a Rosie O'Donnell.... Scream to High Heaven that us serfs shouldn't even be able to know what a gun is, and then demand that their kids have armed bodyguards while in school.... (That's one of the funnier ones, actually.)

Why do the people who claim to want to protect me feel that the best way to do it is to disarm me? :confused: :fire:

I wish it were back in the founding fathers era were we could over throw the goverment if they tried to screw us over.Oh yes the good days

If the activist Judges can be calmed down or eliminated (by the ballot, thank you), our system of government, with all it's flaws, may still be one that can be changed from within by the ballot instead of by the gun.

But, or Founding Fathers seem to have felt that the option should remain, as should the option to protect ourselves (since nobody else really can be counted on, and we might not be able to do it either). "Sporting Purposes" are never mentioned. Part of the problem is that 200+ years have passed, and there are people in positions of power who want to keep it, no matter what, and don't care how many of us are harmed in the process.

There's also another issue (might want to keep this under your hat "in school") - it's not Politically Correct. There are a lot of people out there who are scared to death of an African-American with a gun.... Any restriction on that is going to pass muster. The Black "leaders" want it because they want anything that requires their constituents be dependent on them. White leaders seem to quietly accept that too. This leads to situations where the folks in a Black neighborhood are defenseless against criminals of whatever color, and beholden to the Politicians for protection. Anybody who thinks that a Patrol Unit racing by between hot calls can protect anybody from anything, please stand up....

(If you've not seen "Politically Correct" before, it's sort of slang for "don't offend anybody", which translates to "don't talk about guns, race, religion if it's not Christianity, etc." The sort of thing that lets Muslim clerics run anti-everybody schools and Mosques in the UK because the Government is afraid to offend them. Come to think of it, that's happening in the US, too....)

The good news is that a great many States (I'm too lazy to look up the count) now seem to recognize some of this, and FL (and some other states) have realized the we need further protection by way of "Castle Doctrine". OH's rules are goofy, but who knows - things could improve. Blood hasn't run in the streets, you can't buy a UZI at the 7-11, and my gun hasn't jumped off the table and sprayed bullets around the room yet. In PA and FL this has been the case for at least ten years, too....

One really curious thing. When FL first authorized Concealed Carry (just for FL citizens), the criminal element started preying on tourists, because they almost certainly weren't armed. People started staying away from Florida....

Two results: The rental car companies removed their "thank you for renting from 'whoever'" tags from their cars, which kind of removed the "hey, I'm a tourist, rob me!" signals, and FL started issuing non-resident licenses. I could (never bothered for other reasons) get a non-resident FL CHL for at least 8 years before it was possible to get a CHL in OH for a resident. 'Course, the FL CHL wasn't any good in OH either, but it was good in FL. Great for tourism....

The streets haven't run red yet....

Want a good laugh? When OH's CHL law went into effect, the folks at ODNR wasted no time in publishing rules which prohibit Concealed Carry while hunting. (To be fair, they really are concerned more about poaching than self protection, but it's still insulting.) PA offers a $5 "hunting-only" CHL for all comers.... Concealed Carry while hunting? Horrors.... :p

Regards,

mattman the gun fan
August 15, 2005, 12:14 PM
i was talking with one of my friends and he said that the only reason we have so many gun rules is because the goverment is afraid of us trying to take over.In a sense i agree but i think there are good reasons for gun laws,but some gun laws are a bit extreme.Cant wait till i can vote im takeing full advantage of it.i think the idea the founding fathers had with the ability to overthrow a corrupt goverment was a good idea.I think america has a bit of a one sided fight.The goverment can control our every move but we have nothing to say that can change them? we cant pass bills only they can, we cant decide who gos to war only they can, we cant make final decision on were our tax dollars go.As my friend said the goverment has us whipped in a sense.Dont get me wrong if everyone had there way things wouldnt be going well,but we should have more say in what gos on in OUR home.

Henry Bowman
August 15, 2005, 12:27 PM
Yes, Matt, our system is the worst in the world -- except for all the others. ;) Majority rule (pure democracy) does not provide the valuable protections of a constitutional republic (like we have).

In many states (not Ohio), a bill can be passed by "initiative." That is you collect enough signatures and it will be put on the next ballot. the State legislature cannot overrule it. It can only be repealed by a vote of the people.

zahc
August 19, 2005, 03:13 PM
It's important to note that while a person under 21 (disregarding the LE ownership issue) cannot possess (let's call that "own") a handgun, he or she can use one under the supervision of a person over 21.

Well and good, that's the way I understand the law as well, but it of course does me no good as my parents don't stay with me at my apt to make sure I'm handling my handguns properly. Shotguns are better for HD anyway but it's no less insulting as a result. The fact remains that in OH I cannot keep my handguns with me at my place, or transport them to and from the range or shoot them without my parents :cuss: :fire: :fire: presence. Of course 50bmg is fair game, but .25 auto makes me a felon :banghead:



Without looking, an "under 21" probably can inherit or receive a handgun as a gift, and "own" it, but actual control would have to be deferred.

Making the 'ownership' pointless.

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