Border emergency declared in New Mexico


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rick_reno
August 13, 2005, 11:48 AM
This can't be true. I remember our President stating on 6/8/05 "I can assure the America people that we're following every lead, that we're doing everything we can to keep us protected." This MUST include securing the borders.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/12/newmexico/index.html

Border emergency declared in New Mexico

Governor says area 'devastated' by human and drug smuggling

Saturday, August 13, 2005; Posted: 2:07 a.m. EDT (06:07 GMT) New Mexico

Manage Alerts | What Is This? (CNN) -- New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared a state of emergency Friday in four counties along the Mexican border that he said have been "devastated" by crimes such as the smuggling of drugs and illegal immigrants.

The declaration said the region "has been devastated by the ravages and terror of human smuggling, drug smuggling, kidnapping, murder, destruction of property and the death of livestock. ...

"[It] is in an extreme state of disrepair and is inadequately funded or safeguarded to protect the lives and property of New Mexican citizens."

New Mexico shares 180 miles of border with the Mexican state of Chihuahua.

"The situation is out of hand," Richardson said Friday night on CNN, noting that one 54-mile stretch is particularly bad.

The Mexican government issued a statement in which it acknowledged the problems along the border, but said it continues to make consistent efforts to target them along with U.S. authorities.

It said some of Richardson's views stem from "generalizations that do not correspond to the spirit of cooperation and understanding that are required for dealing with problems of common concern along the border."

Richardson's declaration makes $750,000 in state emergency funds available to Dona Ana, Luna, Grant and Hidalgo counties.

Richardson pledged an additional $1 million in assistance for the area, his office said in a news release.

He said on CNN that the funds will be used to hire additional law enforcement personnel and pay officers overtime.

In announcing the state of emergency, Richardson -- a Democrat who served in President Clinton's Cabinet -- criticized the "total inaction and lack of resources from the federal government and Congress" in helping protect his state's residents along the border.

"There's very little response from the Border Patrol," he said on CNN. "They're doing a good job, but they don't have the resources."

The governor announced the move after a helicopter and ground tour of the border near Columbus, New Mexico, the statement said.

He said on CNN that he "saw the trails where these illegal routes take place" as well as fenced areas along the border where the fence is "literally nonexistent."

According to Richardson's statement announcing the declaration, "Recent developments have convinced me this action is necessary -- including violence directed at law enforcement, damage to property and livestock, increased evidence of drug smuggling, and an increase in the number of undocumented immigrants."

He called on Mexico to "bulldoze the abandoned town of Las Chepas, which is directly over the border from Columbus."

The statement went on to say that "Las Chepas is a notorious staging and resting area for those who smuggle drugs and immigrants into the United States."

Some of the pledged funds will be used to create a field office for the New Mexico Office of Homeland Security to focus specifically on the border.

There will also be new efforts to protect livestock in the area near Columbus, "along a favorite path for illegal immigration where a number of livestock have been stolen and killed," the statement said.

Richardson said he wanted residents of the four counties "to know my administration is doing everything it can to protect them."

Alejandro Cano, secretary of industrial development for the Mexican state of Chihuahua -- which borders New Mexico -- pledged to support Richardson's efforts, the statement said.

Richardson told CNN he met with Mexican governors several weeks ago on border security.

"My people on my side asked me to take this step, and I've done so reluctantly," Richardson told CNN. "As governor, I have to protect the people I represent."

He noted he is the nation's only Hispanic governor, and "we're a state that's been very good to legal migrants. ... This action, I believe, had to be taken."

The Mexican Foreign Ministry sent Richardson a letter Friday saying it has requested that Mexican consuls in Albuquerque and El Paso, Texas, meet "as soon as possible" with New Mexico officials "to promote pertinent action by the authorities of both countries in the framework of existing institutional mechanisms."

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lostone1413
August 13, 2005, 11:53 AM
I voted for King George but he has done nothing but sell America down the tubes. The Constitution is dead. Anyone in either house or in the White House that won't secure the border should be tried fro treason.

R.H. Lee
August 13, 2005, 11:54 AM
This looks bad for one G.W. Bush IMO, expecially coming from a hardcore leftist like Bill Richardson.

beerslurpy
August 13, 2005, 11:58 AM
Are you being sarcastic? I dont know Bill Richardson's political views, but he could be doing worse things than protecting the border.

mattman the gun fan
August 13, 2005, 12:05 PM
When i lived out in Arizona they would find houses with a hundred or more illegal alien in it. They would trash the place's.Illegal alien smuggleing is a big problem in arizona and texas.I knew this was gonna happen sooner or later.It will get fixed all we have to do is put 3o foot steel walls all across the border :D easy fix.

R.H. Lee
August 13, 2005, 12:09 PM
Are you being sarcastic? I dont know Bill Richardson's political views, but he could be doing worse things than protecting the border.
If you're talking to me, no, no sarcasm. Richardson is doing exactly the right thing. The question is, why isn't Bush securing the border? Isn't that his responsibility?

Moondoggie
August 13, 2005, 12:13 PM
Methinks somebody has been reading the polls and is positioning himself for a run at the White House in '08.

Richardson has plenty of chips in the Dems poker game to be a contender for the nomination. Governers typically stand a better chance of being elected President than Senators. He doesn't have the "half of the country rabidly hates him" situation to overcome that Hillary does.

This is a pretty gutsy move, and will impress a lot of everyday folks in the red states...me for one. Sending a big "screw you, you ineffective politically motivated hamstrung beltway bufoons" to Washington will strike a resonant chord with Middle America.

Besides being "the right thing to do" IMHO! :D

dasmi
August 13, 2005, 12:24 PM
Now if only Ahnold would do the same thing in my state of Cahlifohnia.

Rebar
August 13, 2005, 12:24 PM
Methinks somebody has been reading the polls and is positioning himself for a run at the White House in '08.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Until he calls out the National Guard to secure the NM border, it's all just grandstanding and posturing.

beerslurpy
August 13, 2005, 12:32 PM
Until he calls out the National Guard to secure the NM border, it's all just grandstanding and posturing.

That is a very good point. Or better yet, call out the NG to round up and deport these characters, taking into custody the property and business owners who are sheltering and employing them.

Tropical Z
August 13, 2005, 12:41 PM
I still say we need guard towers with M60's or the like and the will to use them.Mexico and liberals are determined to destroy America as we know it.Wake up politicians and stop spending sssssssssooooooooo much of your time KISSING UP :banghead:

Silver Bullet
August 13, 2005, 12:43 PM
Could be worse. In Arizona, we have to control both our border with Mexico AND our border with California. :uhoh:


:)

Sergeant Bob
August 13, 2005, 12:45 PM
Methinks somebody has been reading the polls and is positioning himself for a run at the White House in '08.
Bingo! I agree with you driver (Wow! Two truck drivers agreeing on something!). I think he's also doing it to make Bush look bad, although he's doing a pretty good job of that all by himself.

22-rimfire
August 13, 2005, 12:46 PM
The border issue is simmering. O'Reiley talks about it frequently on his shows. Eventually, it will come to blows after an incident and I'm afraid the incident will be some kind of terrorist attack that is traced back to a border crossing on land where significant supplies and man power are brought in. I would vote for regular army rather than National Guard. With troops, most people realize that they AREN't policemen. It might actually be pretty good duty.

Both the Republicans and the Democrats are courting the Mexican-American vote (or any Central American). I don't know what the popular view is from their perspective on the issue. When safety becomes a signficant issue, Americans will become more vigilant on a civilian level.

Tropical Z
August 13, 2005, 01:00 PM
We need at least a couple divisions down there and they should be regular Army.

longeyes
August 13, 2005, 01:17 PM
The problem is certainly real and serious but Richardson is doing some political posturing, angling for some high ground for '08. Or maybe he's a stalking horse for the new and improved illegal immigration-busting Hillary.

Can we call a spade a spade? Our neighbor to the south is a narco-terrorist state. If we keep smiling and looking the other way we are headed for an inevitable civil war in this country and/or a U.S. military expedition headed to Mexico City. It can't happen? I'm wagering it does--though not under GWB or even a Democratic successor. All of this is just one more symptom of the increasingly beleaguered condition of freedom lovers in this nation. We have a raft of enemies, among which I include Mexico. At some point, if we are serious about dealing with the radical Islamic threat we will have to attend to Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, we will have to deal with Mexico, and we will have to deal with those in our own country who want us weak and dismembered. Major convulsions are going to precede the ability to handle these multiplex threats. It should be an interesting decade ahead.

wingman
August 13, 2005, 01:29 PM
Can we call a spade a spade? Our neighbor to the south is a narco-terrorist state. If we keep smiling and looking the other way we are headed for an inevitable civil war in this country

Yes agreed, it appears to me a long time border resident the powers to be in this country want uneducated consumers and cheap labor, it really doesnt matter where it comes from, what we cannot outsource we will import. It really comes down to greed, the middleclass is of little importance in all this
other then subzidizing labor for the wealthy.

Texas is becoming the next calif. we cannot build enough schools, property
tax will not pay for all, they must increase taxes to pay for all services for illegals while my medical insurance and property tax continue to rise.

Mexico is in fact a bigger threat then Iraq in many ways while it may take longer the results will be the same. Those of you under 30 have a wild ride
ahead and I sure dont see our leaders doing anything to stop it, remember
they have the money to change countries and most would not mind doing
so. :(

The Real Hawkeye
August 13, 2005, 01:40 PM
"Congress shall have power to ... provide for the common defense ... of the United States." Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Considering that 90% of what the Federal Government does has nothing to do with its delegated powers and purposes, it would be nice if it did one of the few things it is actually Constitutionally duty-bound (see the preamble) and authorized to do.

Balog
August 13, 2005, 01:46 PM
Mexico is such an underrated threat. They are destroying our country, and not just the border states. Neither party cares or will do anything about it. Depressing.

Moondoggie
August 13, 2005, 01:49 PM
"We need at least a couple of divisions down there, and they should be Regular Army".

You betcha, AND they should be the Regular Army folks that are still in Germany 60 yrs after the end of WWII!!!

Plus the 17,000 that are in Korea 50+ yrs after that "Police Action" ended.

Korea was a UN function, let the UN gaurantee S Korea's sovereignty. I've got a bone to pick with S Korea since the incident of S Korean steel companies illegally "dumping" cheap steel on the US market a couple of years ago. After all, it's "US Steel" that has gauranteed their freedom for the last 50 yrs. Ingrates!!!

MechAg94
August 13, 2005, 01:49 PM
I thought I heard a while back that a rather large percentage of Legal hispanic citizens agree on securing the border. I don't know how big that percentage is though.

One way or another, every 2008 Presidential hopeful will have to have some kind of plan or ideas on the border issue. I don't think they will be able to ignore it.

HighVelocity
August 13, 2005, 02:39 PM
Landmines, concertina wire and tiger pits would be a good start.

Fletchette
August 13, 2005, 02:40 PM
"Congress shall have power to ... provide for the common defense ... of the United States." Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Considering that 90% of what the Federal Government does has nothing to do with its delegated powers and purposes, it would be nice if it did one of the few things it is actually Constitutionally duty-bound (see the preamble) and authorized to do.

Hmmm. The Constitution ALSO says, "A well Regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a Free State, the right of the People shall not be infringed."

Would securing the border fall under "security of a Free State..."? I think so. I would think that if the militias of New Mexico mobilized NOW under the present "state of emergency" neither the Feds or New Mexico could procecute them for anything.

This would be different from what the Minutemen were allowed to do - simply report to the Feds when they see an illegal immigrant crossing the border - under the State of Emergency the Militia can "secure the border" - by force if necessary.

What type of state laws does New Mexico have on this issue? I know that some states, like Texas, do not require the governor to approve of the militias' formation, just that the militias notify the governor.

I am sure the governor did not think this through. It could be an opportunity to actually make some progress on this issue. The Feds would not be able to ignore the border if armed citizens started patrolling en masse.

longeyes
August 13, 2005, 03:08 PM
The Feds do what the guy in the White House tells them to do. Is there any doubt about Bush's position on border control? If the U.S. military, under current authority, gets involved, it will be to make sure American citizens don't get in the way of the master plan. I wish I didn't believe this, but I do. Bush has already shown that what ought to be a simple and straightforward excecution of the law isn't part of his agenda.

Tropical Z
August 13, 2005, 03:14 PM
Sorry Art-this topic just makes my blood boil!

ravinraven
August 13, 2005, 03:30 PM
"...should be tried fro treason." Then let me at 'em.

I don't know if Richardson is posturing or not, but we'll soon know, mehinks. He would be a breath of fresh air compared to Hitlary. I don't think he is as anti-liberty as she is.

My pro-liberty list is getting shorter by the second.

And the minute-men are going to put in an appearance somewhere up here in far northern NY. I think I'll join and get an inside look at what they are about.

We do have a lot of smugling around here. Both of people and cargo. There are a lot more border patrol units running around than I've ever seen. Used to be one sighting per summer. Now it's three or four a day plus spotting stake-outs.

We have an Indian Reservation straddling the border with Canada. If you're an Indian you can go to the island portion from either country with NO check at all. AND you can go to either country from the island with NO check at all. So. Load yourself into a resident's car, he drives you to the island, turns around and drives you to the other country. Makes a great little pin money operation for the folks. I know. I've used it. I used it to make a TV service call in Canada without having to hassle my equipment through the customs both ways.

rr

Pilgrim
August 13, 2005, 03:57 PM
Methinks somebody has been reading the polls and is positioning himself for a run at the White House in '08.

Richardson has plenty of chips in the Dems poker game to be a contender for the nomination. Governers typically stand a better chance of being elected President than Senators. He doesn't have the "half of the country rabidly hates him" situation to overcome that Hillary does.

Big change in position for a guy who a few months ago was advocating drivers licenses for illegal aliens so "NM could track them and help assimilate them into society."

Richardson was also treating illegal immigraton like the proverbial case of rape: Lie back and enjoy it.

I have a friend near Albuquerque who surmises that Richardson has been getting a lot of complaints from the border counties from residents who are sick and tired of finding illegal alien feces in their front yards.

Pilgrim

Waitone
August 13, 2005, 04:45 PM
Possibilities
1>Richardson is testing the water to see how the numbers play out.
2>Richardson is the cat's paw for national democrats who are testing the water. Remember Ms. Clintoon said she is anti-illegal immigrant (sic). Democrats see the same polling information spinelessrepublicans see. They are well-aware of the chasm between the ruling class and taxpaying class on the issue of criminal immigration.
3>Richardson is taking heat and he has to respond because either he or his party will take a hit in the near future.

Regardless of the reason, criminal immigration is winding its way into mainstream political debate. I maintain we are looking at the outlines of a third party issue. The biggest loser with a third party will be spinelessrepublicans. Tancreto is rumored to be talking presidential bid. Gilcrest is running for congress. You'll know criminal immigration is mainstream when an incumbent (most likely spinelessrepublican) runs against current policy.

I think it good new that Richardson is acting. Whether or not it is meaninful action is beside the point. There is evidently pressure coming from somewhere and he is acting.

The Real Hawkeye
August 13, 2005, 05:35 PM
Longeyes Said: The Feds do what the guy in the White House tells them to do. Is there any doubt about Bush's position on border control? If the U.S. military, under current authority, gets involved, it will be to make sure American citizens don't get in the way of the master plan. I wish I didn't believe this, but I do. Bush has already shown that what ought to be a simple and straightforward excecution of the law isn't part of his agenda.You said it brother. Great minds think alike.

Hawkmoon
August 13, 2005, 05:52 PM
Until he calls out the National Guard to secure the NM border, it's all just grandstanding and posturing.
Agreed.

I kept reading the article, expecting that the very next line or paragraph would tell me that he called out the NG. Then I got to where it said the "emergency" money will be used to hire additional law enforcement personnel. Huh? The money he's earmarking will be used up by the time a new crop of LEOs finish training. How do they get paid once they actually get deployed, and what do they do?

NM doesn't need a few more deputies in each county along the border, it needs a military presence along the border whose job function has nothing to do with parking tickets, fender bender investigations, radar traffic patrol and the like. I don't even know if NM has any NG at the moment or if they're all over in the sand box, but THAT's what is needed. Armed military patrols, checkpoints, observation posts, and roadblocks.

Sluggo
August 13, 2005, 06:32 PM
This is my first post on this website. I've been fairly active lately on the Rohrbaugh Forum, having recently purchased an R9S.

Over the course of my adult life, I've gone from politically liberal to pretty conservative as I approach Medicare age.
Never contributed to political parties, either. Okay, I did pay my NRA dues, but that was about it. Starting with the 2000 presidential campaign, I started contributing to the Republican party (State & National) to protect our 2nd ammendment rights.

This year, however, I've returned solicitations from the National party with a note saying "I'm not contributing another dime until the Bush administration does something positive to close our borders to illegal immigrants & terrorists. When I see positive action I will again contribute."


I haven't received any positive responses - yet. Being a strong believer in the "Money talks, B.S. walks" school of life, I'm still hopeful people like me will make a difference.


Sluggo in Michigan

Sleeping Dog
August 13, 2005, 06:37 PM
Until he calls out the National Guard to secure the NM border

The NG will only follow the Gov's orders until the CIC (Pres Bush) tells them to do something else. Ultimately they are a Federal force, not State.

If Bush tells them to stand down from the border, that's what they do. Or, they could find themselves pounding sand in some faraway place.

Regards.

Moondoggie
August 13, 2005, 06:43 PM
Hey Sloggo, welcome!

I did the same thing with the Republican National Congressional Committee. Made donations in the past, this year told them to get lost until I see some action to control our borders.

Also wrote to my Senators & Congresscritter telling them that this is my number one issue...that I'm paying attention AND I VOTE!

NMshooter
August 13, 2005, 07:28 PM
The NM National Guard went from Air Defense Artillery to Field Artillery.

Not much Infantry.

I agree, Richardson is looking at 2008, and the rest of his party is waiting to see the reaction.

I suspect if Border Patrol, or ICE, or whatever they will be called next week were allowed to do their job the problem would not be of this magnitude.

Balog
August 13, 2005, 07:34 PM
Welcome to THR Sluggo!

Lone_Gunman
August 13, 2005, 07:50 PM
I said about 6 months ago that Richardson was going to run in 2008, and just about everyone here said no way, no chance.

I hope some of ya'll have changed your opinions after this stunt.

Border security will be an easy issue for the Democrats to use to appeal to moderates and even some conservatives. Richardson would be a great choice for the Democrats to run... he isn't far out in left field like Kerry, knows enough to keep his mouth shut about gun control, and is from a state that went Republican in 2004.

He and Hillary will be the Democratic ticket in 2008, I am just not sure which will be Pres and which will be VP... he better watch his backside though if Hillary ends up as VP.

beerslurpy
August 13, 2005, 07:54 PM
Again the ruling party digs it own grave and AGAIN the american people simply elect the other faction of that same ruling party.

Crosshair
August 13, 2005, 08:13 PM
I have many legal immigrant co-workers who are REALLY pissed about the current border situation. They had to jump through all the hoops and these peope are getting a free ride. They HATE it.

Malone LaVeigh
August 13, 2005, 09:26 PM
This looks bad for one G.W. Bush IMOBush got what he wanted already. A bunch of nitwits in this country reelected him. Now why should he care?

The Real Hawkeye
August 13, 2005, 09:34 PM
This year told them to get lost until I see some action to control our borders.What's the matter? You haven't heard about the National ID Card? That's what the Federal Government is doing to solve the illegal alien problem. Aren't you grateful? Next you will be required to "show your papers" to cross a bridge or buy gas. Won't that make you feel secure?

Standing Wolf
August 13, 2005, 09:53 PM
I have many legal immigrant co-workers who are REALLY pissed about the current border situation. They had to jump through all the hoops and these peope are getting a free ride. They HATE it.

As well they should.

Legal immigrants have always been one of America's greatest strengths. Illegal aliens are parasites.

Moondoggie
August 13, 2005, 09:58 PM
Hawkeye, Nat'l ID won't do any good until our elected representatives find the backbone to accomplish mass deportations of those who don't qualify for the card.

The Real Hawkeye
August 13, 2005, 09:59 PM
For repeat offending illegal aliens, I've always been an advocate of administering to them a series of harmless, but very painful, electric shocks, and then dropping them off at the boarder with a sandwich, a canteen and a compass, followed by a slow loud count to 100, after which, if they are not by then out of sight, they would be made to dance the hard way. I think that would work.

Moondoggie
August 13, 2005, 10:12 PM
Works for me!

I'm thinkin' the ACLU & Amnesty International would probably throw a hissyfit (and deploy a battalion of lawyers) over it, though.

Somebody earlier said that the NM Nat'l Gd is a field artillery unit......OK, fine; let them conduct continuous live fire exercises parallel to the border with Mexico until the $750K Gov Richardson has in his emergency fund is used up. Then we'll scrounge up some more dough.

THAT would send a message!

R.H. Lee
August 13, 2005, 10:31 PM
Bush got what he wanted already. A bunch of nitwits in this country reelected him.
IT'S OFFICIAL! The left finally admits GWB won the election!
August 13th should be a national holiday :p

Hawkmoon
August 13, 2005, 10:46 PM
If Bush tells them to stand down from the border, that's what they do. Or, they could find themselves pounding sand in some faraway place.
It's not quite that simple.

They belong to the state unless and until the Feds federalize them. Bush can't just up and tell them to stand down ... but he could conveniently arrange to have them activated and deployed overseas.

Fletchette
August 14, 2005, 12:21 AM
What about the Unorganized Militia? Bush would have to draft them to send them over seas.

garyk/nm
August 14, 2005, 09:22 AM
Why does this have to be about a run for the White House?
Could it be that the border counties have finally put enough pressure on the Governor to get him to act? They are part of his state, afterall.
Governor Bill is no dummy. The recent media coverage of the NM Minutemen chapter and their plans to monitor the border has certainly given the Governor food for thought. Does he want to be seen as proactive, or part of the problem?
There is most certainly an element of PR in his actions, but isn't he just doing what a good Governor should do?

An earlier poster labelled the Governor as "ultra-liberal". I don't see it that way. New Mexico has among the most relaxed gun laws in the country ( F rating from the Brady Bunch). I (redneck, Republican, gun owner) have no problem with him or his actions. If he decides to go national, more power to him.

Lone_Gunman
August 14, 2005, 09:26 AM
isn't he just doing what a good Governor should do?

Not really. I agree if there was an emergency on the border the NM national guard should be mobilized. I believe all he has done is increase funding, and while this might help eventually it doesn't do much in the short term.

I agree Richardson is not an ultra liberal. He is one of the more conservative members of the Democratic Paty. I would be willing to vote for him fir president over several prominent Republicans, McCain being one.

71Commander
August 14, 2005, 09:30 AM
He and Hillary will be the Democratic ticket in 2008, I am just not sure which will be Pres and which will be VP... he better watch his backside though if Hillary ends up as VP.


Better make sure his life insurance is paid up.

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