[MasterPiece Arms.com]

In another thread, I just came up with my own little measurement device called the "Sporting Purpose Average Arsenal Rating" or SPAAR. :)

A "1" arsenal rating is any arsenal with a machine gun and something else less evil, or someone with only AKs, ARs, or other "assault weapons."

A "10" is my brother in law who allegedly owns a deer rifle (he likes to claim guns stored at other family member's homes are his when they 'aint) but only pulls it out once a year and isn't even allowed to keep it in the house with his narcissistic wife.

I pegged my arsenal at 2.78 until I sold my Marlin lever action .357 the other day. Now I'd put it at 2.3. My Remington 710 bolt action 30.06 and my Rem 1100 12 guage keep it above 2.

Influencing factors:

Any machine gun takes the average to at least 1 (having just a full auto would be a zero sporting purpose rating)

D.A. Revolvers can't pull the rating below 5 by themselves. I'm putting S.A. revolvers at 6.

Bolt actions with bayonettes, by themselves are between and 4 and 5. Regular bolt actions, especially the ones with those cheesy flip down hinged floor plates are a 6.

I peg muzzleloaders at 8 (not at 10 as you may have expected because knowledge of proper use of powder is a must when the feces hit the propeller). :evil:

A 5.7 mm X 28 mm pistol, a 50 BMG, or anything belt fed takes the arsenal immediately to at least 2 without passing go.

Things that will drag down an arsenal's rating by at least a point: any over and under, a Thompson contender, a non machine gun that's pre WWI, anything stamped "Sears" or "Montgomery Ward," or anything Prince Charles would own.

I'm still tinkering with the system.

[Chipperman]

hmmmmm, interesting idea.
Well, I have two machine guns, and half a dozen EBR's/AKs.
On the other hand, I have several .22 rifles, a 20g Mossy pump, etc.

I guess I'd be somewhere between a 2 and -5.

Keep working on the scoring system. :)

[Tropical Z]

I'd grade myself as a 4.8 :p

[buzz_knox]

Does the scale extend into the negative?

[fisherman66]

.22lr semi = 4
870 12g = 9
8mm mauser = 4
30/30 Winny p64 = 10
357 da = 5

32/5 = 6.4

[Langenator]

Not that I have one, but what's the rating for silencers?

And what about milsurp bolt actions without bayonets? Does a lack of any SP hunting type ammo lower their rating?

And how about combat-vet firearms? I've got an M1911A1 that's a vet of Western Europe, and an Israeli Mauser that probably saw some action.

[MasterPiece Arms.com]

Does the scale extend into the negative? Nope, because it's measuring the existence of something.

Well, I have two machine guns, and half a dozen EBR's/AKs.
On the other hand, I have several .22 rifles, a 20g Mossy pump, etc.

I guess I'd be somewhere between a 2 and -5. You're a solid "1" as per my main machine gun rule: Any machine gun takes the average to at least 1 (having just a full auto would be a zero sporting purpose rating)

I consider the best arsenal to be a "1" rating because having just a machine gun isn't well rounded enough.

Not that I have one, but what's the rating for silencers?
A suppressor automatically takes the arsenal to at least 2 on the spot.

And what about milsurp bolt actions without bayonets? Same as a new bolt action unless it has a detachable mag which helps the rating. Does a lack of any SP hunting type ammo lower their rating? I'm assuming you mean that all that's available is basic jacketed surplus ammo. It really doesn't make any difference, but I would personally prefer the availability of some of these hunting rounds which transfer energy better.

And how about combat-vet firearms? I've got an M1911A1 that's a vet of Western Europe, and an Israeli Mauser that probably saw some action. Semi auto pistols are a "5" and under regardless of where they've been. I would give a pistol a better rating if it had a double column magazine. The Mauser would be treated as any other bolt action with a bayonet (accuracy of course is sort of a trump card in this case).

[gbelleh]

All I have right now are CCW size pistols. Probably pretty useless for sporting purposes. I'm not sure where that would rate on your scale, but nothing is larger than 9mm and nothing with a barrel longer than 3.5".

[boofus]

But machineguns do have a sporting purpose. Some places have SMG matches. If it is select-fire you can certainly turn the switch to Semi, E, 1 or whatever to make it just like a 'sporting' Mini-14

My arsenal is a solid, evil 1 I guess. :neener:

[Echo Tango]

Was never good at math:

wow I dunno since I currently only own( own is defined as fire arms within my possesion and not currently locked in a gun safe in NC under the control of a ex wife) 2 weapons since feb 2005. I am not sure what category they fall into.

1. a Squires Bingham model 1600 .22lr ( does this get special points because its designed like a assault rifle or detracted points because its looking like something it isnt?)

2. Norinco Model 98 12 gauge( see Rem 870 Police clone)


one of these days I will find a decent job that isnt overseas that will allow me to buy the things I want.

[M2 Carbine]

Something like a 1++ for MG and sheer numbers, variety and duplicates. :D

[MasterPiece Arms.com]

All I have right now are CCW size pistols. Probably pretty useless for sporting purposes. I'm not sure where that would rate on your scale, but nothing is larger than 9mm and nothing with a barrel longer than 3.5".

I'd rate your arsenal average at 4.2. That's below the 1/2 way point of 5, and better than general semi auto pistols because of their concealability. Add an AK so that can drop instantly to 2 :evil: . Good concealable pistols are tantamount to "assault weapons" for my rating purposes, but having only one kind of gun hurts the rating (unless of course it's full auto, a 50 BMG, or a 5.7).

BTW, having something that's an NFA registered "destructive device" like a live grenade stops the bidding and puts the average at 1 :) . I'd put a "street sweeper" at a 2.

Something like a 1++ for MG and sheer numbers, variety and duplicates. EXCELLENT idea, although it would have to be separate from the numerical rating itself. It would be kind of a footnote.

+ is a footnote for sheer numbers
* is a footnote for duplicates of guns that lower the sporting purpose rating

[Preacherman]

I guess I rate a 1+, overall... :evil:

[rico700]

A "1" arsenal rating is any arsenal with a machine gun and something else less evil, or someone with only AKs, ARs, or other "assault weapons."


I will have to rate mine at a "2" only for the lack of full auto and I'm only one lotto ticket away from that. :evil:

[lodwick]

My recently acquired FiveSeveN with the Streamlight M-6 target system is a joy.

[P95Carry]

I am way too lazy to go thru and ascribe ''per gun'' scores but based on overall assessment I'll plump right now for the 2.5 region.

[MasterPiece Arms.com]

I am way too lazy to go thru and ascribe ''per gun'' scores but based on overall assessment I'll plump right now for the 2.5 region. Right on, you've used the system exactly as intended. I sure aint gonna go through my cabinets with a clipboard. Boiled down, this is just a way of getting a general idea of about how much sporting purpose is in one's arsenal with a few trump cards in mind.

This was conceived in front of a computer monitor and was intended for use without leaving said monitor :D .

[Rexrider]

I will give myself a 2. The only reason it is even that high is because of a lever action rifle and double action revolver. Everthing else is pushing to the bottom of the scale.

Darn....I soooo very very much want to hit 1. My non-sporting-Fu is not as strong as it should be. :D

[jefnvk]

Gotta go about 3-4. Too many milsurp bolt guns to offest things like the AR, the SKS nd the Hi-Point carbine.

[Byron Quick]

I've got the world's (including Africa's Big Five) big and small game well covered in multiple calibers.

But I've got a full auto Uzi, several EBR's, a couple of riot guns,a Thompson Contender, and a suppressor. Reckon I'm a 1

[hso]

2

[Jake]

Any bonus for things like .50Ae Desert Eagles?

[No_Brakes23]

3 bolt guns at 6
2 bolt guns at 5, (Lug but no bayonet)
2 pistols at 5
1 BP Muzzleloader at 8
2 BP Breechloaders at 7.5
2 Breechloaders at 7
1 SKS at 4
2 .22lr rifles at 6
1 lever action at 7

But what of the 870? Wearing wood trim, no optics and no magX should make it higher, but the 20" barrel and sidesaddle make it a tad lower.

5.31 without the Remington 870.

[Dead]

Anything that I would own MUST be a 10 on the "sporting clause", as any firearm I would own MUST BE FUN to shoot, and beable to hit paper @ 15 yards :)

Oh yeah any gun I gun I would own is useable for hunting as well.. (any gun is good for hunting so...)

[Remington788]

7.62 :neener:

[Black Majik]

I'm a 10 cuz I live in California. :D

[PvtPyle]

At best, -20.

[Hkmp5sd]

Guess I'm a 1.

[Firethorn]

I'm guessing that I'd be a 4-5.

Low rater:
AR-15, two uppers. One's a varmit upper though.

Mid:
SKS, 12 gauge 1187 w/extension. 1911, CZ40, CZ75BD

High:
Marlin 30-30, .300WBY, single shot 20 gauge, ruger 10/22, .357

[Byron Quick]

Anything that I would own MUST be a 10 on the "sporting clause", as any firearm I would own MUST BE FUN to shoot, and beable to hit paper @ 15 yards

????

I practice until I am proficient with my hunting rifles and shotguns. Then I shoot for practice a month or so before the applicable hunting season. These firearms usually stay in the safe the rest of the time.

It's my self defense pistols, Uzi, riot shotguns, and EBR's that I shoot most of the time. Believe me, it's fun.

[Zach S]

This is more confusing than the points system or the ten parts rule. I have no idea what my rating is.

I have 2 compact 1911s, 2.5 fullsize, plus one widebody. Non-1911 pistols are a Glock 17, Taurus M85, and a Kahr PM9.

As for longarms, I have two thompson 1927s, a 20" Mossberg 590, and a ruger 10-22, of course its been eviled up with a BC folding stock. Also have an evil AR15, currently on consignment, even though its not currently in my possesion, I still own it, so does it count?

[Chrontius]

I'm guessing a 3 to 4 (probably 3.5) for having only a mousegun (read as: nice saturday night special) - what's a kel-tec's rating?

[Logan5]

I need a better mathematical formula here. There's no way I'm going to figure it out this way. What's a Beretta Onyx plus a Browning Citori minus a Colt Lightning in .38 short colt divided by an FN-49, the Argentine Navy one with the detachable box mags? Can I multiply that by the Mini 14's? And what does the performance center shorty-.45 do to my average?

[MachIVshooter]

What thread is this rating system under?

For now I will guess:

Full Auto or suppressed= 1

SBR or PDW=2

AR/AK/etc.=3

Tactical shotguns/pistols or CCW =4

autoloading pistols or DA revolvers and Military bolt guns, non-detatchable mag or low capacity autorifles=5

hunting type repeating rifles and single action revolvers=6

Single shot rifles=7

hunting shotguns and muzzle loaders=8

trap shotguns and benchrest rifles=9

Palma rifles=10



This scoring would put me at 5.0926

[P95Carry]

This scoring would put me at 5.0926 MackIV - only FOUR decimal places - not good enough! :D :neener:

[MachIVshooter]

MackIV - only FOUR decimal places - not good enough!

I rounded.

[P95Carry]

:D :D

[artherd]

Yeah, between the FLIR, and the Barrett M82-A1, I'm a solid 1 methinks.

Then again, I do have a blackpowder muzzleloading Kentucky pistol.

Nope, still a 1. And I'm going to be picking up a beltfed 1919 soon too.

[Chrontius]

Palma rifles=10

I swear, I read that as 'Plasma rifles' and I was busy wondering why they'd be so politically correct when they're so ridiculously powerful when I realized two things: I misread that, and I'm playing too much Doom 3. :D

[OEF_VET]

I guess my suppressor puts me squarely on the 2-spot. Now, I just need to win the lottery so I can move up to a 1.

[GunGoBoom]

Add a poll.

Me, about 7 (need more EBRs obviously).

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

More ugly black evil tactical and/or military than blued and walnut.

Does that make me a 5.56???

[Polishrifleman]

I'm very sporty, a 6 unless you count the guns I don't own. :evil:

[itgoesboom]

I am not exactly sure where I am placed.

On one hand, I have 1 EBR and a SKS (SEWR = Semi Evil Wood Rifle), and 2 CCW pistols in addition to my HD shotgun with sidesaddle.

On the other hand, I have a SA .357 revolver and a .22lr pistol and a old Sears .410 shotgun. Although, that wasn't really a sporting shotgun, since my Great-Grandmother used to use it to keep the drug addicts honest in LA.

I.G.B.

[secamp32]

Does a Mossberg 590 have any sporting value? :confused:

[Eightball]

See my signiture for a listing of my armament. Let's do some internet math :eek: , using MachIV's system.
SKS=3?
.308 "sporting/Saiga" AK=4ish
Spanish Mauser=5
Shotgun=8
.22LR DA revolver=5
10/22 with hicap=4.75
BP SA revolver=6

So.....about 5.107142857, with the underlined portion repeating into oblivion. So far, so good, I guess.

[JohnBT]

It's too complicated for me. At first I thought it was about how many guns you have that you'd take to a sporting house, but that wasn't it.

I don't own any shotguns with extended choke tubes and recoil reducers if that counts. :)

I just buy what I like. Isn't that enough?

John

[Commissar Gribb]

there are no "sporting purpose guns" as wanton murder is not a sport unless your first name is "Che"

all guns are made for killing and death and are only useful to criminals who want to kill and murder innocent people.

oh and also police officers with gift-from-god training which keeps them from massacring everyone in their general area. everyone knows that cops go through 8 years of ethics training before they're allowed to touch firearms.

[BryanP]

Let's see.

1 Ithaca .410 single shot shotgun at 9
1 Marlin .357 lever gun at 7.
1 Ruger 10/22 with hi-cap at 4.5
2 center fire semi-auto pistols at 4
1 .22lr semi-auto pistol at 5
3 DA revolvers at 5 (?)
1 Milsurp bolt gun no bayonet at 6
1 Enfield with bayonets & detachable mag at 4
1 non-function Enfield with detachable mag & no bayonet at 6
1 AR-15 at 2?
1 AK variant 2?

Total of 68.5 points over 14 firearms ...

4.9

Egad. I have to do something to lower that score.

We need finer gradations here. A CCW suitable snubbie revolvers like a 642 should be lower on the scale than a larger framed DA with a 6" barrel.

[boofus]

So what if you have a machinegun with a suppressor on it? Do you get a 0.2 ?

Then put a 40mm launcher underneath and you can have a 0.1 :evil:

[Rexrider]

GAME OFF.

Commissar Gribb,
You might consider easing up a little bit. I believe this is just a "fun" thread and should not be taken too seriously.

Your comment about Police has no reason to be in this thread, IMHO.

GAME ON.

[45lvr]

i supose i would be a 1-2. my only full auto is an issued ump-40. im guessing it counts although it does not belong to me, i keep it w/me, not at the armory. my walther p22 has a silencer attachment but i have yet to get the stamp.

[benEzra]

Does the scale extend into the negative?
If your collection drops below 1, you need to transition to the Richter scale instead. :)

[R.H. Lee]

Because I live in California I don’t own any eeeevil weaponry, so I must be pushing an 8+. You mentioned bayonets, I’ve got one on each SKS, BUT, no detachable mags (verboten here) and the grenade launcher on the Yugo has been neutered.

I’ve got a Savage 10FP with a mildot scope, which could arguably drag the number lower, and some milsurps, but they’re C&R so they shouldn’t count.

Everything is limited to 10rd mags, that should help since no honest man needs any more than 10 rds.

I think I’m easily the winner.

[Dr.Rob]

Funny thing... a sporting lady doesn't have anything to do with a sporting arm.

Someone on the supreme court needs to explain that to me.

Strangely... I think my humble collection of 2 bb guns and a slingshot doesn't even rate on this scale.

:neener:

[JeepDriver]

Every long gun in my safe is Black so I have to be atleast at a 3 or so

I really only have 2 hunting rifles, 1 30-30 Marlin and 1 Mossy 500 Trophy (rifled shotgun).


:evil: The rest are semi auto, with plenty of high caps! :evil:

[Jrob24]

4.25 under MachIV's scale.

[Farnham]

4.3846 on the MachIV scale. The Colt SAA and the 870 trap gun brought me down. I also only counted one SKS as duplicates don't count as far as I understand. Anybody wanna buy a SAA? Gotta get my rating back down! :D

S/F

Farnham

[71Commander]

8mm mauser = 4

I must protest the rating of this gun. Just because it has been adopted by the Kerry hunting crowd does not make it a sporting gun. :cuss: It's as military as it gets. This ain't no primary Bambi slayer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tucker13/mauser.jpg

[GregGry]

I have only a .45 hk USP-T, what would my rating be? I will have a supressor to go with it shortly, any idea what the rating on the pair would be? :D

[Commissar Gribb]

Commissar Gribb,
You might consider easing up a little bit. I believe this is just a "fun" thread and should not be taken too seriously.

jeez! is a guy allowed to make a joke? :what:

hehe

we need to come up with a system for political correctness scoring.

everyone starts with 100% because not having a gun is the most PC you can get.

If you refuse to be near guns and move to DC to "get away from them", you can add 300% to your score

for every 3 break- open single shot rifles and/or shotguns you have, subtract 10%.

for every 2 PC semi autos long guns you have (trap guns, autoloading hunting rifles, semi .22s etc..) subtract15%

battle rifles (IE: FALs, CETMEs, M14s, Saiga rifles in .308, etc) subtract 20% per rifle.

now the fun stuff

Anything that can be erroneously called one of the following:

M16
AK47
Tec 9
Uzi
Street Sweeper

subtract 30% per rifle

and...

handguns! almost forgot

10% per revolver unless it's a magnum because everyone knows that magnums can blow through 2 car doors and blow up a truck full of babies.
15% per magnums

20% for autos
25% if it's a glock
30% if it's a deagle
40% if you have "dual deagles"

now my system isn't complete yet so give me some slack.

I project my score at...

-135%


I must protest the rating of this gun. Just because it has been adopted by the Kerry hunting crowd does not make it a sporting gun. It's as military as it gets. This ain't no primary Bambi slayer.

maybe the mauser would get a better rating if yours had the optional rifle grenade attached to the front ;)

[oh blanky]

I'll keep that to myself Gman

[petrel800]

3.807

My assumptions - Albanian SKS vs Yugo SKS

Albanian gets a 3 for being a semi-auto military rifle.
Yugo gets a 2.25 for having a grenade launcher plus above reason.

Value for milsurp bolt actions - 4

All of mine are actual designs that saw combat and were state of the art at the time. Plus they all have bayonets.

10/22 - 10

Even though its a semi auto, almost everbody has a 10/22. It is one of the most unoffensive guns around. Walmart sells it.

"Assault Weapons"

Pre-ban condition 1.0
Post-ban condition 1.5

Handguns

Guns with night sights designed for carry - 1.0-2.5 (no sporting purpose, only defensive)
Snubs - 3 (once again, defensive purposes)
Military surplus - 1.5 - 3.0 (depends on age. I used a TT-33 at 3.0 but put Makarovs at 2.5 because a lot of people still carry them today)

Let me know if anyone thinks my values are incorrect. I will adjust accordingly. :D

Also, I think full autos should be placed in with a value of 0 - .5.

[DarthBubba]

This falls into a strange area,

Let someone come to my home with bad things on their mind and they will find out about the dual purpose nature of all sporting arms, war rifles and shotguns.
Due to the fact that I am practiced in the use of all of my weapons for hunting and combat I have to ask, Can you be a 1 if you have no automatics or war surp. type weapons based on the skill and training of the shooter? Or is it all reliant on the type of gun?
Are you basing your ratings solely on the type of gun?
Wow that seems a bit narrow in scope.

DarthBubba :neener:

[Rexrider]

Commissar Gribb,

My apologies. I am usually good at picking up on jokes and sarcasm. Your post had seemed so out of place I missed the joke. I guess I was in too serious a mood at the time.

Please have a preferred beverage on me. :)

As punishment for my lack of sense of humor, I will now go spend 5 minutes over at the DU. This way I will be refreshed on identifying truly angry posts.

......Maybe 4 min will be enough. How 'bout we say 2 min?

......Can I just bring up the home page and leave?

Um, lets say you have 2 preferred beverages on me and we call it even? :D

[P. Plainsman]

Amusing concept.

I'd say my collection's in the 5-6 range. True, I've a black double-stack 9mm pistol (4.0) and a pretty gnarly black 18" 870 with some taktikal accessories (3.0). But this is offset by not one but two innocent Marlin .22s, a .357 lever gun, a Buck Mark, and a whole mess of double action revolvers, mostly belt holster sized or larger.

No one who owns a .357 or 30-30 lever gun should be able to come in below 2 or 3 on the scale unless they've got a lot of Class III goodies in the safe.

[Too Many Choices!?]

No NFA firearms, items, or DD, but you just wait 'till I win the lottery. Stupid NFA :banghead: , so I guess I am a solid 2.0 :neener: ...

[JohnBT]

"Please have a preferred beverage on me."

As long as you're buying, get him a shift key, too. ;)

John

[MachIVshooter]

Let someone come to my home with bad things on their mind and they will find out about the dual purpose nature of all sporting arms, war rifles and shotguns.
Due to the fact that I am practiced in the use of all of my weapons for hunting and combat I have to ask, Can you be a 1 if you have no automatics or war surp. type weapons based on the skill and training of the shooter? Or is it all reliant on the type of gun?
Are you basing your ratings solely on the type of gun?
Wow that seems a bit narrow in scope.

As has been said, this is just a "for fun" thread, as to create a truly accurate "combat effective arsenal" scale would have to encompass so many more details. Heck, my 700 BDL .375 Ultra mag is going to be more much more effective on someone in the cover of a vehilce (especially at range) than an AK would. But how long would it take us to get even an approximate rating, having to describe dozens or hundreds of individual scenarios and evaluate each weapon accordingly?

The only conclusions one might actually be able to draw from this is that some folks prefer to keep only EBR's, etc, while others such as myself have a bit of everything for innumerable reasons, not the least of which is colleting.

[Too Many Choices!?]

I gave myself," extra credit", in the non-sporting firearms category, for the MP-AR-15pistol(kind of like a PDW), and my Glock 23 pistol's full-cap mags :o ...

[Hkmp5sd]

I'd be curious to know how Ms. Feinstein & Co. would rate my collection. In addition to machineguns and suppressors, I have almost every firearm listed by name in the 1994 Assault Weapon ban. However, I also have at least one long gun used by each nation participating in World War II and am working on getting the matching handguns. I have several turn of the century Mausers, a dozen or so shotguns, a dozen or so wunder-nines, the obligitory Ruger single actions and a few black powder replicas.

Maybe everything offsets each other and I score a perfect -0-. :)