45acp and 9mm loads for IDPA


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The Drew
August 13, 2005, 02:21 PM
I'm looking for some commercial and or special order loads in .45acp and 9mm that still make the required power factor but just barely.

My guns are the CZ75b in 9mm and a Springfield "loaded" 1911 in .45acp.

I do not as yet reload, and if I do it will only be for the .45 so right now i'd like advice on pre made stuff.

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Reed1911
August 13, 2005, 03:21 PM
Drew,

We provide custom ammunition at or below the other's retail price. Give me a shout when you get some time and we'll get you set up. If you like we'll load it on your brass and save you a bundle.

C. H. Luke
August 13, 2005, 03:57 PM
Just FWIW, even at the IDPA Nationals, most seem to use Winchester White box in 9mm....

The Drew
August 13, 2005, 08:15 PM
I guess I'll have to start saving brass....

Thanks for the tip reed1911...

Navy87Guy
August 13, 2005, 10:07 PM
I just got my first order of competition ammo from Lancer Ammo (www.lancerammo.com). They make competition loads in all calibers. I bought 1000 rounds of the 147-gr 9 mm load which is loaded to make minor power factor. It is a VERY sweet shooting round. Until now, I've been shooting strictly WWB ValuPak -- but not any more! The recoil from the Lancer round is significantly less and I find myself shooting more accurately and recovering faster between shots.

The price is about $4 per box higher than WWB, but worth it in my book. I'll be ordering another 1000 rounds soon. They're running a special through August (it's been extended ..the web site says July) ...1000 round of 9mm is about $7 off -- that pays about half the shipping for me. (Service was quick, too. Ordered it on a Sunday and had it by Wednesday.)

All I can tell you is that I've been very happy with it...and I'll be shooting a lot more of it in the future!

Jim

SR_
August 15, 2005, 10:08 PM
+1 on the recommendation for Lancer ammo.

I use the 147 9mm for IDPA. No problem with steel. Cycles in every gun we have tried it in - including a brand new Glock 17 (the guy's reloads would not cycle the gun). There is a local shooters group and the owner let us try 9mm, 40 S&W and .45 competition ammo. Everybody that shoots IDPA that was at that shoot is using and recommending his ammo!

If they don't have what you want listed on the web site, just give them a call. It's a custom ammo shop and they will make whatever you want. www.lancerammo.com

harmon
October 5, 2005, 03:27 PM
shooting 45s, it wont take long to recover the cost of the reloading machine.

dillons square deal is a awesome little press

buy that, a powder scale, and a case cleaner and your loading.

45 range brass: pick it up=free
45 bullets, 230 rainier 60.00/K = 6cent each
powder, less than 5 grians, 1.2 cents
primer, 15.00/K 1.5 cents each
100 rounds for 8.70

jmorris
October 5, 2005, 04:13 PM
.45 3.6grn Clays with Precision Bullet’s 230grn rn
9mm 3.1 VV310 with Berry’s 147grn rn

The 45 loads will help more as factory ammo is way over the 165,000 PF. Factory 9mm is much closer to the 125,000 PF for SSP and ESP. If you’re loading for .45 acp (save $109 per 1000) it won’t take long to recover from the initial investment in equipment. I guess 9mm wouldn’t either at $7 a box; however, I only save $5 per 1000 against wwb $3.98 per 50.

harmon
October 8, 2005, 10:26 AM
youll need 3.8-4.0 grains CLAYS to make major power factor(165000) maybe not if you shoot a 6 inch longslide though....

Harmon

jmorris
October 8, 2005, 11:40 AM
Only if you use the Precision bullets in 230grn will 3.6 of Clays make PF. At 1.235 OAL they chronoed at Nationals an average of 748 fps (172 PF) out of a 5" STI, room to spare. They produce higher velocities than the jacketed/plated bullets I have tried and don't smoke like lead. This is the result of a proprietary coating. Price is $52 1000.


http://precisionbullets.com/

SR_
October 11, 2005, 01:48 AM
Lancer now makes a 124gr 9mm competition round. They gave out samples at the NC State IDPA competition. They have been in my range bag since the match.

I've been very pleased with the 147gr competition ammo but thought I'd give this a try. It's so new that it is not listed on their web site. Thought I'd let others know it exists in case you are interested.

tarrigoni
October 22, 2005, 01:56 PM
I use the Miwall 125g FMJ reloads for $4.95 a box from outdoormarksman.com.

They have virtually no recoil in my G19, they're accurate, clean, and they're CHEAP!

another okie
October 23, 2005, 10:18 PM
I can't seem to find the sheet with all my testing, but when I chronographed about 10 commercial 115 grain FMJ 9mm cartridges, all came in just above power factor 125, (1087 fps) just right for IDPA and IPSC minor. Most were 1100-1150 fps.

I live at about 750 feet above sea level, so factor that in, and this was out of a Glock 17. The way IDPA calculates power factor this gives a nice margin of safety, as the actual test is with the longest barrel allowed in the category, which is longer than 17 barrel.

As indicated above, you will get more benefit from concentrating your reloading efforts on .45 ACP, where the factory loads are often at 180 or higher, when only 165 is necessary.

another okie
October 23, 2005, 10:20 PM
I can't seem to find the sheet with all my testing, but when I chronographed about 10 commercial 115 grain FMJ 9mm cartridges, all came in just above power factor 125, (1087 fps) just right for IDPA and IPSC minor. Most were 1100-1150 fps.

I live at about 750 feet above sea level, so factor that in, and this was out of a Glock 17. The way IDPA calculates power factor this gives a nice margin of safety, as the actual test is with the longest barrel allowed in the category, which is longer than a 17 barrel. Out of a friend's Beretta 92, with a longer barrel, almost all were 50 fps faster. The Glock 34 is slightly longer still and legal in Production (IPSC) and SSP (IDPA).

As indicated above, you will get more benefit from concentrating your reloading efforts on .45 ACP, where the factory loads are often at 180 or higher, when only 165 is necessary.

Dr.Rob
October 25, 2005, 07:22 PM
WW White box 115gr FMJ was consistantly clocking 1200+ fps out of my hi-power clone... more than hot enough for IDPA, available at Wal-mart for $10/100... almost cheaper than you can reload it.

dxkj21
October 27, 2005, 05:24 PM
WW White box 115gr FMJ was consistantly clocking 1200+ fps out of my hi-power clone... more than hot enough for IDPA, available at Wal-mart for $10/100... almost cheaper than you can reload it.


Dang... its $11.34 or something for 100 at my walmart, do they do price matching for other stores? :)

jmorris
October 28, 2005, 06:28 PM
$9.72 per 100 WWB @ Academy

oct_97
October 30, 2005, 12:49 PM
I reload 147 grain ZERO, JHP's, to run 900 fps for ESP, IDPA, and Production, IPSC.

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