"I was Just Getting Ready For Dove Season..."


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BenW
August 15, 2005, 11:22 AM
I love what this guy did. If I had these people in front of my place for two weeks, I think I'd do the same thing. Love the Sherriff's response too. I think the guy should break out the clay pigeons and just shoot for a couple of hours a day.

"Oh my God! That man shot a gun! Can't someone do something to him!?!?" "No ma'am, this is Texas...." :D

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165683,00.html

Bush Neighbor Suffers Protest Fatigue

Monday, August 15, 2005

CRAWFORD, Texas — Protesters outside President Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch were starting their second week of demonstrations Sunday, leading one neighbor to demonstrate the first signs of protest fatigue.

Larry Mattlage (search) created quite a stir earlier in the day when he fired his shotgun over his property. The Crawford rancher told reporters he was practicing for dove season.

Mattlage expressed frustration about the ongoing anti-war protest taking place near his property, and said other neighbors are also getting aggravated by all of the protest activity on their quiet country road.

"You want something like this in your backyard? Huh, or your front yard? This is our yard right here. We just happen to, in Texas, have a bigger yard than they do in Maryland," Mattlage told reporters.

"I mean, would you like somebody invading your house for a long time and blocking your view and blocking your road? I wake up every morning [with] this crowd, and I go to bed every night with this campground down here on a public road, which I'm paying taxes to, the middle of this road," he said.

Mattlage has been watching throughout the past week as more and more protesters join Cindy Sheehan (search) outside the president's 1,500-acre ranch. Sheehan's son Casey was killed in Iraq in 2004. She says she wants U.S. troops to pull out of Iraq, and she will stay here until Bush speaks with her.

Bush has defended his decision not to meet with Sheehan, with whom he met once before.

''Whether it be here or in Washington or anywhere else, there's somebody who has got something to say to the president, that's part of the job. And I think it's important for me to be thoughtful and sensitive to those who have got something to say. But I think it's also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life," Bush told Cox News Service during a bicycle ride on Saturday.

On Sunday, Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean (search) said Bush should meet with Sheehan.

"Because the president sent her son to Iraq, her son lost his life. I think the president should meet with any parent who has sacrificed their son or daughter for the defense of the United States of America," Dean told a Sunday morning network talk show.

In 2004, Bush met with Sheehan and other grieving families. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who traveled with Bush the day he met with the families, described the president's mood afterward.

"I have seen him, I have seen his care, and I've seen him grieve. And I'm sure he wouldn't like to hear me say this, but I have seen him afterwards. He was very, very grieved," McCain told "FOX News Sunday."

After Sheehan was joined by other anti-war protesters, pro-Bush demonstrators also traveled to Crawford. One pro-Iraq policy demonstrator said those against the president are not from Texas. Others said if the anti-war protesters succeed in altering U.S. policy, it would put more troops in harm's way.

The increased traffic in Crawford did not affect Bush, first lady Laura Bush or Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as they traveled Saturday night from the ranch to the Baylor University campus in nearby Waco, where the three attended the Little League Southwest Regional championship game.

But Mattlage said he is frustrated by the traffic — and subsequent side effects of it — in his neighborhood.

"We got a battle of the port-a-potties. They first started going to the bathroom in a five-gallon bucket, then they moved a port-a-pottie and then they got two port-a-potties, and now we got three and if this keeps up they will be all the way down the road," he said. "The only people winning here is the person who cleans the port-a-potties."

Mattlage said he sympathizes with Sheehan, but the crowd that has developed is akin to guests that won't leave.

"When they first came out here, I was sympathetic to their cause, all right. They as American citizens have a right to march, to protest, but it's like company. If you had your brother-in-law in your house for five days, wouldn't it start stinking after a while? You're ready for them to go home."

Mattlage said he respects the anti-war protesters and he respects President Bush, but he is frustrated because both federal and county law enforcement told him they can do nothing to end the anti-war protest.

U.S. Secret Service and McLennan County sheriff's deputies went to Mattlage's home on Sunday afternoon to urge restraint, and the situation appeared to calm down a bit after Mattlage spoke with law enforcement and vented to reporters.

McLennan County Sheriff Larry Lynch said Mattlage didn't violate any law by firing his shotgun on Sunday.

"He's on his own property. He's getting ready for dove season he says," Lynch said adding that had Mattlage shot across the road rather than on his own land, he would have broken state and county laws.

"Everybody needs to use restraint in this situation out here. This is a situation that's taken all these folks by storm and impacted a lot of businesses out here. But so far everybody's been compliant and that's what we are here for, the deputies are here to make sure that this continues on in a peaceful manner. Folks need to comply with all the rules and regulations in the state of Texas and county and that's what we are here for this morning," the sheriff added.

Mattlage said he loves Bush because the Bible tells people to love their neighbors. But he said he is not a politician and is not interested in the president's business.

"All I know, when he gets done with his presidency, he is our neighbor and all of you all and all of this protest is out of here," he said.

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Mongo the Mutterer
August 15, 2005, 11:41 AM
Yeah, I caught the interview on Fox. Good on that guy.

I had an idea, as well. Lets set up some berms on his property and do some real shootin!

While I feel sorry for this gal Sheehan, you have to look at the situation AFAIK:

1. her son was on his second tour of duty and had been in the Army for several years.

2. her son volunteered to help his buddies and was killed being a hero.

3. her son wasn't drafted, he was a volunteer.

4. she has already met with the President.

5. now she is calling on Israel to leave the Palestinians alone...

6. her family has published an open letter criticizing her efforts...

I think she is close to dishonoring her son's name, and should put a fork in it and go home. She is being used by the Socialist Mainstream Media, and the left as a tool.

boofus
August 15, 2005, 11:43 AM
I wouldn't mind going to a machinegun shoot on his land if he hosts it. Nothing makes bedwetting liberals scurry away to their holes faster than full automatic gun fire. :p

R.H. Lee
August 15, 2005, 11:50 AM
Oh my God! That man shot a gun! Can't someone do something to him!?!?" "No ma'am, this is Texas...."

That kind of remark gives lefties a hard packed wedgie that will require the services of a proctologist to remove. :p

itgoesboom
August 15, 2005, 12:13 PM
This is from the AP's story about this.....

Sheehan, 48, said she was not concerned with her own safety but that she has told others to be aware that "this could get physical, even though we are peaceful." "I think we knew of the risks when we came down here," she said. "I'm surprised we haven't had more of that since we're in Bush country."

Hmmmmm.....Intresting. :barf:

I.G.B.

foghornl
August 15, 2005, 12:18 PM
Hmmmm

Maybe we should dig out the .30+ cal loudenboomers...preparing for deer/elk/bear season.....

BenW
August 15, 2005, 12:32 PM
While I feel sorry for this gal Sheehan, you have to look at the situation AFAIK:
Yeah, on the serious side of this issue, I have sympathy for ANY parent that loses a child, be it through war, accident, or illness, but this woman has left the "grieving mother" aspect far, far behind.

The more I read about her history, the more disgusted I become by her actions, and use of her son for publicity. Looks like now among other things, her whole, "I won't pay taxes" spiel has actually been going on since ~1998 (wonder what Clinton did to make her mad?)

buzz_knox
August 15, 2005, 12:54 PM
Watching an interview with her concerning this, she said she was distracted by the media leaving her prayer service to see what was happening. The shots didn't distract her; the media leaving did. Told me everything I ever needed to know about her.

Yanus
August 15, 2005, 01:05 PM
Maybe someone who owns a quad 50 should go to Crawford and have a late night shoot on this man's land. I don't think he would object............. :D

Yanus

Chairman Meow
August 15, 2005, 02:31 PM
Are you guys crazy? This type of BS is exactly what anti-gun folks use to perpetuate their stereotype of gun owners: knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing male monkies that use bad grammar and violence to intimidate people. Regardless of how you feel about that lady and her protest (I agree, it seems pointless), you can't honestsly be naive enough to not realize the damage stories like this do to our cause as gun owners, can you? Seriously, do the gun community a collective favor and grow up.

BenW
August 15, 2005, 02:41 PM
Or perhaps the freaked out people could grow up. The guy shot his shotgun on his own land. There was many a time I dove hunted 30 feet from my folks back door because they have a nice chunk of land and it's legal. None of the neighbors ever complained. Lots of them did the same thing.

Just because someone who doesn't like guns shows up in the neighborhood shouldn't mean all the gun owners have to lock up their guns so they don't "give a bad impression." It's his land and it's legal. He can shoot all he wants. If the protestors don't like it, they should move the protest to DC, where guns aren't allowed.

Chairman Meow
August 15, 2005, 03:07 PM
Just because someone who doesn't like guns shows up in the neighborhood shouldn't mean all the gun owners have to lock up their guns so they don't "give a bad impression."
No, but it does mean they shouldn't use their firearms to scare people with contrary political views, as was clearly the man's intent given the following quotes:


"I ain't threatening nobody, and I ain't pointing a gun at nobody...This is Texas."
"...when asked if he had another motive, he said, 'Figure it out for yourself.'"

"Figure it out for yourself" means "YES, I did have another motive!" And not only was the man stupid enough to use a gun to scare a bunch of left-wing protestors, but the moron goes on record verifying that his intent was intimidation! What an idiot. If I remember I'll send him a thank you note for helping Hillary take more of our rights away.

Mongo the Mutterer
August 15, 2005, 03:08 PM
knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing male monkies that use bad grammar and violence to intimidate people. Lemmeee seee (Mongo looks in mirror)

Got most of that covered. I have to do better :evil:

Who cares what the gun grabbing statist lefties think? They are my enemy.

Chairman Meow
August 15, 2005, 03:11 PM
Who cares what the gun grabbing statist lefties think?
Congress does.

HankB
August 15, 2005, 03:19 PM
I felt some sympathy for the woman - after all, she lost a son - until I found out she'd already met with Bush . . . then it looks like someone "got" to her, since her comments about that meeting have flipped 180 degrees.

Makes you wonder not IF $$$ changed hands, but HOW MANY $$$ changed hands.

The way for locals to deal with protestors like this is to spread some fresh manure along the fence, just inside their property line. In the hot Texas sun, that will make for a pleasant sit-in. :evil:

Mongo the Mutterer
August 15, 2005, 03:25 PM
Congress doesMy congressman doesn't, and he is consistently elected.

As for the rest of Congress who are we speaking about ... Fat Teddy? Pelosi? the rest of the gungrabbers? They aren't going to change...

And the media which controls their agenda is being undermined by talk radio and blogs day by day...

JohnBT
August 15, 2005, 03:34 PM
I agree that gun owners need to hide in the basement so we don't offend anyone. In fact, we have an obligation to roll over and die.

Just kidding.

John
Member www.vcdl.org
NRA Life Member

javafiend
August 15, 2005, 03:45 PM
her family has published an open letter criticizing her efforts...

Mongo, who exactly wrote the letter? ave you read it? Do you have a copy of it?

Yanus
August 15, 2005, 03:46 PM
I think this fellow should invite a few dove hunting friends over....... Then, everyone can test their shotguns at a different time of the night. :evil:

Yanus

boofus
August 15, 2005, 03:51 PM
I still think hosting a machinegun and tannerite shoot in his backyard is the way to go. Maybe he could convince Ted Nugent to play a concert afterwards, since he's also a neighbor of W. :neener:

R.H. Lee
August 15, 2005, 03:52 PM
This type of BS is exactly what anti-gun folks use to perpetuate their stereotype of gun owners: knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing male monkies that use bad grammar and violence to intimidate people.
Sorry to disappoint you, but my constitutional rights are not subject to public relations negotiations. Especially with psychotic panty wetting spittle flying guilt ridden America hating self loathing gun grabbing elitist leftist extremists.

She's . . . exploiting her son's death to score political points. It's the classic liberal blood dance.






(Edited to bring it back from name-calling to opinion on Cindy Sheehan's motives.)

Yanus
August 15, 2005, 03:55 PM
Better yet, why not use some of those tapes the ATF used at Waco night after night of the crying rabbit........ If it's good enough for the Branch Davidians, it should be good enough for the peaceniks............... :evil:

Yanus

Zundfolge
August 15, 2005, 03:55 PM
javafiend, I believe this is what he's refering to

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashcs.htm
and
http://www.thereporter.com/news/ci_2936043



I'd be willing to bet Cindy Sheehan was a leftist anti-war "activist" before her sons death.

I'm sure her grief is sincere, and like most leftists who don't understand the military, I doubt she really understands the insult she has heaped upon her son ... she claims that his death was for nothing, and THAT is what makes it so.

BenW
August 15, 2005, 03:58 PM
Don't know about the rest of her family, but apparently her husband has had enough:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0815051sheehan1.html

45lvr
August 15, 2005, 04:01 PM
i can feel for the woman. i never went to combat in the Marines but, her son died doing what he loved-getting the job done and helping his buddies survive. she just loves the spotlight and will keep on feeding moveon.org's crap or who ever is her "friend" as long as there is a camera. the media makes me sick.

boofus
August 15, 2005, 04:04 PM
But that evil George Bush made her son re-enlist and made her son volunteer for that mission /sarcasm

Yanus
August 15, 2005, 04:07 PM
BenW,
If her husband is serious, he will have her served. He who gets there "firstest with the mostest" wins. She is certifiable. He will never have a better opportunity than now......

Yanus

Mongo the Mutterer
August 15, 2005, 04:16 PM
Yep Zundfolge that's what I was referring to, plus one article, plus the hubby's divorce petition.

The real tragedy is what will happen after Cindy quits the protest... Do you really believe her lefty friends will be there for support? They will drop her like a hot rock, since they have no loyalty, or class.

They will just use her up like a kleenex and go on to their Bush hating cause du jour.

Here is a good quote from Will Malvin in Men's News Daily (http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/malven/):

She is not deluded by some Machiavellian plot of extreme Left-wing activist “kooks,” she is an extreme Left-wing activist kook. She had this Leftist anti-war stance well before her son was killed. She is not mourning his loss, she is not turning her efforts towards helping her own family or other families who have lost loved ones, cope with their losses, instead she is picking at the scab of their healing wounds, delaying the healing process and prolonging their pain. This is not a nice woman; this is not a caring woman; this is a hateful, destructive, selfish, woman who is more interested in her own political agenda than in healing the damage she has done to her own family in pursuing this wrongly directed vendetta.

Justin
August 15, 2005, 04:36 PM
Mongo, color me cynical, but I doubt it'll matter. IIRC, Sheehan did a television ad for Moveon shortly after her son died.

Someone's paying for those portapotties to be there, and more than likely someone is paying her to be there as well.

Mongo the Mutterer
August 15, 2005, 04:56 PM
Yep, she sure looks like an operative.

But would the leftists actually use a bereaved mother to further their cause? Oops now I'm cynical... :D

Sharps Shooter
August 15, 2005, 05:28 PM
"........my constitutional rights are not subject to public relations negotiations."

Well said Riley.
+1

garyk/nm
August 15, 2005, 06:53 PM
psychotic panty wetting spittle flying guilt ridden America hating self loathing gun grabbing elitist leftist extremists.

I think my brain got a charley-horse trying to follow that. Good one Riley :D

Mongo the Mutterer
August 15, 2005, 07:53 PM
RileyMc:psychotic panty wetting spittle flying guilt ridden America hating self loathing gun grabbing elitist leftist extremists.you ought to trademake that line. I'm going to steal it.

How sick are these people. very sick ... very, very sick. They use situational and moral relativism to validate their sick existances.

Discipline is better. I'm not there, I'll never be there, but I sure as hell am trying.

jefnvk
August 15, 2005, 08:12 PM
The man was protesting the protest. Having people congregate on a road, blocking off traffic, and sitting on the other side of a private property fence, doing what they will, then saying that the man that is annoyed by them should help them so they leave, doesn't make them look good. More disrespectful than a guy shooting off a gun on his own property.

No one but a handful of extremeists on either side will ever bring up either point.

Standing Wolf
August 15, 2005, 08:50 PM
The only people winning here is the person who cleans the port-a-potties.

American politics in a single sentence.

GigaBuist
August 15, 2005, 09:07 PM
"Figure it out for yourself" means "YES, I did have another motive!" And not only was the man stupid enough to use a gun to scare a bunch of left-wing protestors, but the moron goes on record verifying that his intent was intimidation! What an idiot. If I remember I'll send him a thank you note for helping Hillary take more of our rights away.I wager you see it as intimidation... but I don't. I don't think anybody that grew up out in the sticks would think it's intimidation. It was just to be ANNOYING. Intimidation is when you are shouting at people firing a shotgun into the air.

Safe shots in the vicinity of people is just to annoy them, as in: Stop messing with my world, or I'll make a bunch of noise, just to tick you off.

I've been the reciever of both, FYI.

Someone's paying for those portapotties to be there, and more than likely someone is paying her to be there as well.Could be either side, frankly. Anytime the left takes such an insane anti-Bush stance it prevents right leaning folks from listening to ANYTHING anti-Bush. Once you get enough of THAT crap shoved down your throat everything is written off as the rant of a Hate Filled Lefty. This might "engergize" the rabid left wing of the Democratic party, but I'd put more stake in this being more valuable to the Republican side that the Democratic side.

However, I wouldn't put it passed some Hate Filled Lefty to foot the bill, either.

The summary of her argument is: You're not responsbile for your own life, Bush McHitler Chimp is.

There isn't a pro-feedom message that I can find about her -- she just energizes both sides and promotes division. That isn't helping anything.

Chairman Meow
August 15, 2005, 10:42 PM
my constitutional rights are not subject to public relations negotiations
Yes, they are. Our constitutional rights are always on the political chopping block, and like it or not, politics is very much a public relations negotiation. Better to not sour the jury pool with big trials coming if you ask me.

popeye
August 15, 2005, 10:48 PM
I saw the whole interveiw with the landowner last Sunday. He had valid complaints. Said he was sypathetic to her origanally but when the protesters were using 5 gallon buckets for toilets and dumping them things got out of hand. Then they moved in porta potty's to accomodate the increasing crowds. The media is now taking bites out of the original interveiw to make him look like an idiot. Typical liberal BS. Looks hot n dry on that road. I think I'd call a couple friends with P/U's and do a little convoy and kick up some dust every couple hours. Just to treat his guests to a "little bit of Texas" to take home with them. Maybe a couple fireants too.

jefnvk
August 15, 2005, 10:48 PM
If something like this is going to upset people to the point where we are going to lose rights over it, then the battle is already lost.

Don Gwinn
August 15, 2005, 11:46 PM
She lost her son. He's DEAD. Criticize her actions, but she has every right to take them. No more foul language will be directed at her on The High Road.


Oh, and the man's got a right to shoot his shotgun. Sheesh. Our local morning-drive liberal was up in arms over this whole thing on the radio this morning, and I got the distinct impression that he thinks there's no such thing as "dove season" and mentioning doves was simply a reference to shooting protesters. :rolleyes: I didn't have a phone. Not that I would expect to make a dent in that guy; he's the same one who says you should go to jail for speeding every time and that anybody can legally buy a gun from a gunshop in five minutes in Springfield, IL (actual wait= 2-8 weeks for the FOID card, then three days' waiting period for a handgun, 24 hours for a long gun.)

Art Eatman
August 16, 2005, 12:27 AM
Hey, Don, you sure that radio guy didn't march at Skokie?

:), Art

BenW
August 16, 2005, 09:58 AM
I got the distinct impression that he thinks there's no such thing as "dove season" and mentioning doves was simply a reference to shooting protesters.
Well, that's not confined to liberals only. Reading on some of the more conservative forums, I got the impression a lot of them thought "dove hunting" was secret joke code.

Buncha galldang uncivilized barbarians, the whole lot of them -- liberal to conservative. :p

TonyB
August 16, 2005, 11:21 AM
OK,you made your point lady..now go home......if this was in my neighborhood I'd be little p'ed too......and i often shoot in my back yard...some sing carrying anti-war,let's just huggers wouldn't stop me either.This guy is no brain trust,but he isn't breaking any laws in Texas.

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