Local NBC affiliate trys to scare the sheeple with a CCW segment


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Rockrivr1
August 16, 2005, 11:08 AM
They just can't leave it alone here in MA!!


License to Carry
Air Date: 08/15/2005

Reported by: Hank Phillippi Ryan
Producer: Mary Schwager

"Lee" is a family man with a good job. He lives on the South Shore - and he's allowed to carry a gun. His firearm's for target practice, but he's legally licensed to carry it concealed -for self defense.

"I want the guarantee I can protect myself and my family," this gunowner says. "If I choose to carry, that's up to me."

In fact, our investigation found more than 194,000 people in Massachusetts - that's one in 25 Bay State adults--has the Class A license that could allow them to carry a concealed firearm. That's equal to one person on each city bus--or 10 moviegoers at a sold out show.

Chief Paul Frazier, President of the Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association, says that he's "sure most residents don't know who has them and who doesn't have them.”

But 7-NEWS obtained town-by-town numbers - and found the percent of adults with those Class A licenses depends on where you live. In Boston and Cambridge - the numbers are fewer than one percent. In Wareham and Millville -- around 9 percent. Rowe and Savoy more than 26 percent. And in Oakham, more than 44 per cent are licensed to carry firearms.

Oakham Police Chief Donald Haapakoski says, “I think people are exercising their right to carry firearms.”

Police say Walter Bishop was licensed - and used his weapon to kill a man in a road rage dispute. Law enforcement confirms William Green was licensed to carry too--he's charged in another road rage shooting.

Officials say that even Massachusetts' extra-tough gun law - which requires criminal background checks and a gun safety course - can't predict the unpredictable.

Chief Frazier says, “Probably 99 per cent of people properly licensed to carry firearms do not commit crimes. So it's a very rare instance.”

State law does give local police chiefs the power to refuse "unsuitable" applicants - those with a history of domestic violence, or substance abuse.

Brooklin Police Captain John O'Leary says, "We have to have the community's safety in mind, as well as the applicants safety."

Some chiefs make licensing even tougher. Braintree requires five letters of recommendation. Brookline a gun proficiency test - and, most controversial - a compelling reason.

Some think the law gives local police chiefs so much power - it makes the rules unfairly inconsistent.

June from Hanover carries her .38 for self-protection. But when gun instructor Lynne Roberts from Norwood wanted a license to carry - for the same reason - her hometown chief said no.

"[The chief] said I didn't prove I needed a firearm," Roberts said. "It's outrageous."

On the other hand, "Lee" fears if he moves to a new town, his license to carry could be revoked.

“Whats been given to me in one town I could lose in another," he worries.

We found the number of those licensed to carry is increasing; police point to increasing fear of terrorism and violence. And Chiefs tell us: they realize every approval could be a life or death decision.

Chief Frazier defends himself, saying, "If something happens that no one is aware of we're left - it's our responsibility to deal with it."

The state is now completing a cutting edge computerized licensing application system, with instant access to criminal records. If you want to know who's carrying a legally concealed firearm - that's not possible. State law keeps that confidential.

(Copyright © 2005 Sunbeam Television Corp. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

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FPrice
August 16, 2005, 11:22 AM
Chief Frazier says, “Probably 99 per cent of people properly licensed to carry firearms do not commit crimes. So it's a very rare instance.”

There was a discussion of this segment on Northeastshooters.com and many people who worried about the probable negative slant on the story were surprised that it was so even-handed.

Lennyjoe
August 16, 2005, 11:24 AM
Braintree requires five letters of recommendation.
I guess the letter that has the second amendment written on it doesn't qualify. :confused:

petrel800
August 16, 2005, 11:44 AM
Wouldn't it be great if someone applied and their 5 letters of reccomendation came from names like Samual Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, . . .

The look on the sheriffs face would be price less.

dasmi
August 16, 2005, 11:51 AM
In fact, our investigation found more than 194,000 people in Massachusetts - that's one in 25 Bay State adults--has the Class A license that could allow them to carry a concealed firearm. That's equal to one person on each city bus--or 10 moviegoers at a sold out show.
Low. Very low. Trying to make people afraid of their neighbor.

But 7-NEWS obtained town-by-town numbers - and found the percent of adults with those Class A licenses depends on where you live. In Boston and Cambridge - the numbers are fewer than one percent. In Wareham and Millville -- around 9 percent. Rowe and Savoy more than 26 percent. And in Oakham, more than 44 per cent are licensed to carry firearms.

I wonder which towns have the lower crime rates?

Henry Bowman
August 16, 2005, 12:04 PM
I wonder which towns have the lower crime rates? That was my thought, also.

FPrice
August 16, 2005, 01:08 PM
For anyone who is interested in local reactions to this piece:

http://northeastshooters.com/viewtopic.php?t=1153

Standing Wolf
August 16, 2005, 05:01 PM
The look on the sheriffs face would be price less.


You're assuming the sheriff would recognize the famous names. Are you sure that's a reasonable assumption?

rritter
August 16, 2005, 05:45 PM
So let's see....

In fact, our investigation found more than 194,000 people in Massachusetts - that's one in 25 Bay State adults--has the Class A license that could allow them to carry a concealed firearm.

Police say Walter Bishop was licensed - and used his weapon to kill a man in a road rage dispute. Law enforcement confirms William Green was licensed to carry too--he's charged in another road rage shooting.

Chief Frazier says, “Probably 99 per cent of people properly licensed to carry firearms do not commit crimes. So it's a very rare instance.”

One percent of 194,000 would be 1940 people. Yet the article only mentioned 2 people with a Class A license that committed a serious crime. Looks closer to 1 in a thousand than to 1 in a hundred. Despite being fairly balanced, the article is still trying to give the impression that licensing carry will lead to road rage incidents. No mention of how many incidents involved people with no license to carry.

chris in va
August 16, 2005, 05:50 PM
Good catch rritter. More like .001%. God I hate media bias. :cuss:

Hutch
August 16, 2005, 06:07 PM
Just because you were in a road rage incident doesn't mean you started it. Possibly that was a righteous shoot. I wouldn't put it past 'em to mislead some one...

FPrice
August 16, 2005, 06:17 PM
Just because you were in a road rage incident doesn't mean you started it. Possibly that was a righteous shoot. I wouldn't put it past 'em to mislead some one...

Unfortunately both of these road rage cases seem to be the shooter's fault. In one the guy went back and shot the other guy as he was holding his baby daughter.

http://northeastshooters.com/viewtopic.php?t=1027

MachIVshooter
August 16, 2005, 06:40 PM
Quote:
Chief Frazier says, “Probably 99 per cent of people properly licensed to carry firearms do not commit crimes. So it's a very rare instance.”



One percent of 194,000 would be 1940 people. Yet the article only mentioned 2 people with a Class A license that committed a serious crime. Looks closer to 1 in a thousand than to 1 in a hundred. Despite being fairly balanced, the article is still trying to give the impression that licensing carry will lead to road rage incidents. No mention of how many incidents involved people with no license to carry.

In the Chief's defense, how many of us simply throw out "99%" when were trying to indicate a very, very lopsided ratio? "99% of the time", "99% effective", "99% accurate". You get the drift. The way I would interperet this is him more or less defending CCW holders by alluding that virtually all licensees are responsible gun owners. I don't think he was trying to insinuate that 1,940 of 194,000 people are likely to use their CCW in a crime. My take on this story is that it is pretty fair, all in all. I wish more media reports could include so many positive quotes or stements in regards to firearms to offset the negative bias usually present therein.

GunGoBoom
August 16, 2005, 07:51 PM
says that he's "sure most residents don't know who has them and who doesn't have them.”

Really? Well duh, since that would be the point of CONCEALED carry. Neither the law-abiding nor the criminals know or should know who is carrying - and the only ones who will find out are the criminals. Jeez OP. :banghead:

TrybalRage
August 16, 2005, 08:10 PM
And what if those road ragers had bashed a head in with a rock, instead?

Sean Cloherty
August 16, 2005, 10:47 PM
Regarding the crime rates, they are, as you would surmise, in almost perfect inverse proportion to the gun owning citizens of each municipality. Go figure. :rolleyes:

modifiedbrowning
August 16, 2005, 11:04 PM
“I think people are exercising their right to carry firearms.”
This Chief sounds like his head is on straight, but of course that is the only quote from him in the article.
He is the Oakham Chief, with 44% of the residents carrying.

Stand_Watie
August 16, 2005, 11:38 PM
Oakham Police Chief Donald Haapakoski says, “I think people are exercising their right to carry firearms.”

From a Mass. police chief? Got to admit that warms the cockles of this Texans heart.

c_yeager
August 17, 2005, 03:13 AM
But 7-NEWS obtained town-by-town numbers - and found the percent of adults with those Class A licenses depends on where you live. In Boston and Cambridge - the numbers are fewer than one percent. In Wareham and Millville -- around 9 percent. Rowe and Savoy more than 26 percent. And in Oakham, more than 44 per cent are licensed to carry firearms.

Anyone want to hazard a guess that the rate of licensure is inversely related to violent crime rate in these specific communities?

I wonder why the article didnt bother to point that out?

GlenJ
August 17, 2005, 03:31 AM
Good thing the Minutemen didn't need approval we would be paying higher taxes in Pound notes.

Janitor
August 17, 2005, 06:18 AM
"Chief Paul Frazier, President of the Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association, says that he's "sure most residents don't know who has them and who doesn't have them.”
Well .... *buh*

Ok. I'm going to go out on a limb here. I'm thinking (just a theory mind you), but I'm thinking that if the normal residents don't know who's carrying, that there may be an outside chance that the bad guys don't know either.

BeLikeTrey
August 17, 2005, 06:31 AM
We found the number of those licensed to carry is increasing; police point to increasing fear of terrorism and violence. And Chiefs tell us: they realize every approval could be a life or death decision.

What it should have said:

"We found the number of those licensed to carry is increasing; police point to increasing awareness of police failure to 'PROTECT' from violence and court cases absolving them from that same duty. And Chiefs tell us: they realize every approval could be a life or death decision.

jacobtowne
August 17, 2005, 10:57 AM
"State law does give local police chiefs the power to refuse "unsuitable" applicants - those with a history of domestic violence, or substance abuse."

Horsefeathers. The local police have total discretion concerning LTCs, and can refuse to issue for any reason or no reason at all.


Frosty:
Thanks for the link to Northeast shooters - I'd never heard of that forum before.

JT

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