[Wildalaska]

For all those"No Nothings" that continually disgrace this Board with rants about immigration, please note that Fox News is reporting that the first Marine to die in combat was a Guatamalen immigrant (hey lookie here, brown skinned spanish speaking) who saw his service, according to his family, as a matter of honour.....

Think about it...the United States is in fact a better place for its diversity and loudmouths like Mike Savage and his ilk are a disgrace to our nation.....

WildgodblessAmericaAlaska

[Mr Jody Hudson]

Yes, Immigrants are the wonderful and most important part of this fine nation.

Yes, Michael Savage is a loudmouth.

And, Michael Savage is RIGHT; the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are just more criminal scum that are trying to tear down our nation. He, also, supports LEGAl immigration. However both parties are letting illegal aliens into this country where far too many of them are sucking on the welfare teat.

On the other hand, the most wonderful, hard working and all in all the most fantastic Americans I've ever met are first generation LEGAL immigrants who come here to work, produce, promote and make America great. They make the American Dream come true and in doing that they better the nation.

[MitchSchaft]

For all those"No Nothings" that continually disgrace this Board with rants about immigration

Illegal immigration is the issue, smart guy.

[Wildalaska]

Illegal immigration is the issue, smart guy.

Au contraire "smart guy", maybe you should read some of the posts here a little better...

And take a look at the organization you support....



WildimagreatgrandhildofimmigrantsAlaska:fire:

[BamBam]

Mr Jody,
You said a mouthfull!
How many ILLEGALS are defending our country? I'd have to speculate ZERO.
They sure don't have any problem getting free health care and free education for their kids.

[MitchSchaft]

maybe you should read some of the posts here a little better

Yes, I took your post out of context then. I assumed you were talking about posts I've seen on immigration which are usually illegal immigrants. That "smart guy" comment was in retaliation to the "no nothings" comment. I retract my statement!

[MitchSchaft]

And take a look at the organization you support....

I don't agree with everything JBS has to say. They're also against "heavy metal" music. I'm a big fan of that music:neener:.
I guess you could equate that with people supporting the NRA even though they don't agree with everything they do.

[Wildalaska]

I don't agree with everything JBS has to say

People say that about the Klan too.....

[MitchSchaft]

Sorry, but you can't agree with everything that every organization does. If you know of one, let me know. Especially when an organization deals with multiple issues.

[Raymond VanDerLinden]

The Young man had come hear Illegel, at the Age of 16. Was taken in by an older couple and sponsered after his arrival by an older couple. He became a citizen Worked hard to learn english.

Acording to the Couple that sponsered his and his Family he felt that Joining the Marines was the best way to repay this Country for "Giving" him a Life worth living. Sounds like a fine and Honorable Young man. Pity his payment was that very life. I'd Trade one like him for a 1000 "Anti War" (read Anti Bush) protestors. But I don't think Central America would like the deal.

That being said, Illegals are a serious problem, yes most are basicly good people. But the drain on our services for those that aren't is horrendous. We need to revive the old Guest Worker Program that Che Rivera got voted out.
The best laid plans of Sociolists almost always hurt the people they are meant to help the most.

[Sergeant Bob]

Mike Savage and his ilk are a disgrace to our nation.....
Man, you are really hung up on Michael Savage (a son of immigrants parents) aren't you? Anytime anyone says anything not favorable about any immigrants, you think they are racist. I'm a grandchild of immigrants too...whoopee freakin doo!

Like the philosopher Josefe E. Schmortz said...He who takes himself too seriously, will be seriously taken.

[wingman]

Wildalaska)


Come live on the southwest border
one(1) year and then let's talk.:cuss:

[jmbg29]

Mike Savage and his ilk are a disgrace to our nation.....If you think that Michael Savage is anti-immigrant, then it proves that you haven't listened to a word that he has said.

Michael Savage, who is Michael Wiener Ph.D. BTW, is the son of immigrants. He has no problem with people that come here legally, or those that do what this young man did in order to get legal.

What he does have a problem with, are those that come here - and buy into the liberal lie - i.e. that they don't have to work, they don't have to learn English, and everything is free.

Immigrants that find themselves sucked into that lie (so carefully crafted by liberals) soon find themselves relegated to cleaning other folk's toilets, mowing lawns, picking lettuce, etc...

Having a permanently doomed underclass plays very well for the liberal agenda. It creates an embittered sub-group for them to exploit both economically and through voter registration fraud.

It has other beneficial (for liberals) effects as well, not least of which is the further exploitation of said underclass to create a sense of guilt in the young people that spend their days in Public Indoctrination Camp i.e., Public Schools.

Those kids end up wasting their time boohooing over the plight of the downtrodden, while never thinking critically about what did/does, in fact, create said downtrodden.

They even waste time emulating the language*/dress/habits of the underclass. They are taught that this has virtue. As you would say, BS!

There is virtue in pride of one's heritage. There is virtue in working one's way up from poverty. There is no virtue in clinging to one's former nation, nor to one's heritage to the exclusion of that in one's adopted country.

That is the double edged effect of freedom. One may choose to cling to the past, and be doomed to it. Conversely, one can strive toward a future, and be blessed by it.

*For instance, Spanglish.

Edited for spelling errors.

[longeyes]

Within a five-mile radius of where I live there are as many illegal aliens as the entire population of your state. Those of us who know, know, and we know that it is about ILLEGAL immigration along with the benighted governmental and social policies that are turning this into a major crisis. California, in my lifetime, has changed from a model of American prosperity and openness to progressive ideas to a fading, bankrupt banana republic that refuses to look at what's happening. If a million or so illegal aliens go up to Alaska and demand public services, you may find yourself changing your mind.

[DeltaElite]

I must be a "no nothing", errrrrrr Know nothing, since I am against illegal immigration.
I live on the border, illegals are not coming here and joining the military, they are doing other things, some of which are criminal.
An illegal can't join the US military.

All legal immigrants are welcome, illegals are not.

RIP Lance Cpl Jose Gutierrez.

[DeltaElite]

Here is a story about this good, brave mans life.
He took a tough road in life and sadly the road has ended for him. :(

Lance Cpl Jose Gutierrez (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=War%20Casualties%20Gutierrez)

Marine Killed in War Was Orphan Immigrant

By LAURA WIDES
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

LOMITA, Calif. -- Jose Gutierrez left war-torn Guatemala for a new life in the United States - and become one of his adopted country's first two casualties in Iraq.

An orphan who grew up on the streets while Guatemala was enmeshed in civil war, he found a new family when at age 14 he traveled to the United States by train, foot and bus. He enlisted partly to thank the United States for his new life, his foster brother said.

"He joined the Marines to pay back a little of what he'd gotten from the U.S.," Max Mosquera said. "For him it was a question of honor."

Lance Cpl. Gutierrez, 22, was killed in ground combat Friday. On Monday, a flag hung outside the Mosqueras' home in Lomita, 25 miles south of Los Angeles. The front porch was lined with pots of geraniums, each with a flag and a sign that read "United We Stand."

His foster mother, Nora Mosquera, 56, displayed Gutierrez's school and Marine certificates as she wavered between tears and happy memories. Gutierrez never forgot the sister he left behind in Guatemala and always hoped to bring her to the United States, she said.

In the last letter his foster mother received from Gutierrez more than a week ago, he described his life in a desert camp.

"Mama, there is so much sand here. I clean out my tent and 15 minutes later I've got to clean it again," he wrote. "Even in the food there is sand."

He added, "Please pray for all of us."

Gutierrez became homeless after losing his father when he was 8; his mother died when he was 3. He began to long for a new life in the United States after he befriended an American social worker in Guatemala City, his foster mother said.

Eight years ago he made the trek north with another homeless boy. After making their way through Central America and Mexico, the two boys parted ways in San Diego and never saw each other again, his foster mother said.

Gutierrez made it to Hollywood where he found a temporary shelter at a homeless center. Social workers eventually placed him with Nora and Marcelo Mosquera.

Gutierrez learned English, looked after the younger foster children, and enjoyed soccer and chess, according to the family.

"He was just a good kid," recalled Robert Nobles, 34, a physical education teacher at North High in Torrance, where Gutierrez graduated in 2000. "I was surprised to know that he was over there in combat."

Although he hoped his military career would help him pay to study architecture, family members said that he was enjoying military life and contemplated making a career in the Marines.

In September, Gutierrez became an infantry rifleman with the 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, according to Camp Pendleton officials.

Military officials notified the Mosqueras of his death.

"He was fighting for the port city of Umm al Qasr, which is important to the U.S. so we can bring humanitarian aid into the country," said Marine Capt. James Rich, who has been counseling Gutierrez's foster family.

The family plans a public memorial in Southern California. Then his body will be flown to Guatemala, where Gutierrez will be buried beside his parents.

[Leatherneck]

jmbg29 hit the nail on the head. Good insight, j.

TC
TFL Survivor

[Art Eatman]

Wildalaska, those of us who live along the Mexican border don't have any generic dislike or hatred for "immigrants"--not even the illegals. I've "worked wets" and have mostly found them to be good folks.

The whole deal is a function of behavior. Leaving out the drug smugglers in this deal: If you're ranching, and have miles of water line across the countryside supplying water to cattle troughs, it's a bit of a problem when somebody cuts the line to get a drink. The trough goes dry and cows have died from thirst. Not just that trough, but all the others fed from that cistern. A cow/calf "pair" is some $800 or more. Want to lose a dozen or so?

Then there are the burglaries, robberies, rapes and vandalism. When fences get cut and your livestock gets on public highways for a one-time interaction with some tourist, it can get expensive.

Complaints about this sort of behavior is not in any way "bashing".

We know from the records that people from all over the world have been caught by the Border Patrol. Countries include those of eastern Europe as well as the Mideast, Asia and Central/South America. Interdiction is not racism.

The last ten or fifteen years have seen increases in both drug-smuggling and illegal-immigrant entry, with little effort on the part of the federal government to do much of anything. There has been lots of mouth music but little action. A "For instance": In the last year, Texas has gotten 110 new BP graduates, fresh out of training. Unfortunately, 100 experienced BP personnel have applied to the Sky Marshall program. Explain the net gain to me, please?

Local law enforcement budgets are strained, and the workload of dealing with this trespass is overwhelming. Yet, when a landowner seeks to protect himself from criminal acts he is labelled "Vigilante" and castigated by the mainstream press--or the "know nothings" who are thousands of miles away.

And so it goes...

Art

[Gary H]

Wildalaska:


Savage is a son of an immigrant.

He is against ILLEGAL immigration.

Savage's style IS many times offensive, but his message may be on the mark.

Most of my practice is made up of new immigrants and I'll tell you that those that have come from countries without opportunity and those that have escaped oppression are some of the most loyal patriots.

9-11 has also change things. We must be aware of who and what is coming over our borders. At least, we must try to regulate our borders.

[DeltaElite]

oops, responded in the wrong thread. :D

[Navy joe]

Diversity is the strength of the country. We must make legal immigration easier insofar as the bueracracy of it. Numeric limits per annum must be set and voted on by Congress.

Illegal immigrantion will destroy this country. There are resources and land for only so many. Granting legal status like some would do by issuing drivers licenses, medical benefits and such is an affront to everyone that actually works and pays taxes. Irregardless of the system public or preferably private, illegal immigration will overwhelm any healthcare system we have. Hospitals won't and shouldn't turn away sick persons at their door, but who pays? You who buys medical insurance that is who. Masses of illegals make state welfare systems more of a reality as well, because generally compassionate Americans find it hard to see impovrished persons on the news without wanting the .gov to "do something about it".

Illegal immigration should be regarded as the economic warfare that it is. Some folks really believe the southwest still belongs to Mexico and they want it back. This is the current way, subversion and assimilation(see the habla espanol toothpaste ad?) . The rest that come for jobs and gov't services have no problems being parasitic it seems. I fail to see how asking people to contribute to the community that they live in(the U.S.) is zenophobic. I fail to see how enforcing our border and considering incursions across it as a violation of sovreign territory is racist. Heck, I don't see the problem with requiring citizens to know english. Bi-lingual is fine, wish I was, but the documents that made this country what it is are not written in Spanish or Sanskrit. Our national identity is based on coming from where you were and becoming part of a common something new. That means common values and language as far as I can tell, melatonin level doesn't matter.

And since I'm just another shoot'em all no-nothing(sic) let me point this out. In our military I have worked with foreign nationals from Ghana, Nigeria, Columbia, Costa Rica, Haiti, and Scotland. I have worked with former illegals from Mexico and Cuba. Toss in some territorials from Guam and Puerto Rico and I've dealt with a lot of different cultures. One of my favorite fellows was NYC born but 100% yemeni extraction. He was in the middle of boot camp when the Cole got blown up, think he's had fun? A bunch of great people, I learned lots of new stuff, but they all had one thing in common with me, they were in the Navy because they wanted to be part of America. If you don't want to make the effort to be an American, please don't come.

[El Tejon]

Wild, I agree. To a large degree, the anti-immigration movement is founded upon racism. However, the distinction should be made between those who wish to safeguard the nation for all and those that wish to safeguard their own ignorant beliefs.

To put it in THR terms, better to use a rifle than a shotgun here.:)

[Art Eatman]

El Tejon, I have a purely selfish motive for being anti-immigration: I feel way too crowded. There are way too many people in this country. :)

Anybody wants to move here, let'em pay somebody to leave! I don't care if it's a poor Nigerian or a rich, beautiful Swedish gal: Either is just one more impingement on my psychic elbow room.

:D, Art

[beckrodgers]

WE already posted this in a thread somewhere,here it goes. All immigrants are welcome,teach them basic politics and english, enlist them in the military & send them on thier merry way.Think its a bogus idea,if we loose lots of people in a NBC attack we will need every one.Lots of honorable people in the world, my 2 best friends in the corps,Oscar from Costa Rica,& Juan from Brownsville,2 Tough loyal latins .Bobby

[El Tejon]

Art, feeling aside, the more the better. If it were not for immigrants who would do the actual work such as work in slaughterhouses, landscaping, computer software, biotech R&D, and teach advanced math to college kids. Certainly not the native-born!

Welcome one, welcome all. Of course, our votes cancel each other out on this.:D

[ReadyontheRight]

It seems to me that we had some border problems right before 9/11/01.

[Tommy Gunn]

You need to look up "MECHA" and "reconquista" sometime.