.570 986 Grain

I was just reading about a Degtyarev PTRD-41 rifle for sale for $1150.

What sort of hunting would you be doing with this spec :evil: ?

Barrel 53.15"
Weight 38.40lb
It can project a 986 grain, 0.570 round at 3,280fps

Would that take out a polar bear or even an elephant?

It's for installing drain holes in tanks and swimming pools. I'd bet the muzzle blast would be great for reducing the varmint population. Do not wear loose clothing when operating.

Yere it a tank buster, 1 round only!

But what would it do to BIG game? :evil:

Is anyone interested in a gun like that for $1150.

Thats a muzzle velocity of mach 2.94!

I'd imagine in the US that something like that is classified as a destructive device.

If you can buy one, you now have a comeback when someone here tells you how crappy the UK gun laws are :D

I wish!

Oh No that Baby is an absolute no no in the UK. You could never buy that. :mad:

Apparently in Canada it a non-restricted weapon :D , but a 9mm with more than 10 round is a big no no figure that?

I guess its down to how many people you can kill in quick succession! :cuss:

I thought in the US you could buy machine guns? :scrutiny:

I thought in the US you could buy machine guns?

The news would lead you to believe that, yes. It's not quite true.


We CAN, if they're 1986 or older. And after a 6 month wait. And after a Chief LEO signs for it. And after the ATF approves you. And after the $200 tax. And all this, on top of a $10-15k price.

So expensive to buy and to run!

Why do they have to be older than 1986?

So that sort of thing is a CNN, ABC, Hollywood etc story?

I take it that the right to own a machine gun also depends on what state you live in?

Didn't Bush relax the rules implemented by Clinton?

Can you buy rocket launchers or is that just a TV thing?

Why do they have to be older than 1986?
1986 FOPA also had a bit in it about no more MG registrations.

So that sort of thing is a CNN, ABC, Hollywood etc story?
Bingo.

I take it that the right to own a machine gun also depends on what state you live in?
Spot-on.

Didn't Bush relax the rules implemented by Clinton?
Hardly. Congress chose not to renew the ill-conceived Clinton Gun Ban, which had NOTHING to do with MGs.

Can you buy rocket launchers or is that just a TV thing?
Sure can! After a 6 month wait. And after a Chief LEO signs for it. And after the ATF approves you. And after the $200 tax. If you can find one. And each round, each rocket, needs the same wait/tax/signage as the launcher.



Suddenly you feel that the TV lies to you a whole lot, no?

Blue whales maybe. The guy in Jurassic Park (2 or 3?) who was hunting the T.Rex.

Ok just wanted to know! :uhoh: The media/tv never paints a good picture of anything. :(

I have been to the US and loved it, I can wait to go back. :D
I tell my dad you have to go "you have got to", I say. :confused:
He says "Oh its just big cities" :banghead:
So I say "3/4 of the country is still pretty much rural, that is what tv has done made you think the US is New York or LA". :mad:

Lets face it according to Hollywood it is, and Chicago if they are feeling adventurous.

Anyway back to rifles. Being complete green I am still looking for advice on 1.
I am starting to thing I should get a .22 or .308 to begin with and when I have got reasonably good, getting another larger calibre rifle. Does that sound like a good plan?

Only thing is I feel like buying a .22 might be a waste of money!

Whats the best big calibre gun, by that I mean powerful, but easy to discharge a second round quickly?

Thanks

Only thing is I feel like buying a .22 might be a waste of money!
the exact opposite - 22s are less of a waste of money than any other firearm you can buy. you'll learn more, and learn it faster, and learn it cheaper, than with a centerfire firearm, in my opinion.

andym79, don't let TV fool you again. The .22lr is quite a dangerous round, more than capable of killing a man - and a semi-auto .22lr rifle such as a 10/22 is much fun, and inexpensive! No other caliber can you buy 50 rounds for $0.75-$1.00!!

You didn't seem to mention just WHERE its being sold ;).

If you want to know Kalashnikov, I will give you the website address!

You might need to get a import permit, do you need one of those to bring fire arms into the states?

I thought someone a while back made an SVD that used the 50-110 cartridge? Is this it?

I am not sure Third_Rail, by SVD do you mean snipper rifle?
What is the actual calibre of a 50-110?

.50, then 110 grains of black powder... updated to smokeless, though. I'll look.


Same people who made that 9mm carbine that uses Suomi mags - Masterpiece arms. The website is down now, though.

Only thing is I feel like buying a .22 might be a waste of money!

No way, absolutely not. There are many rimfire nuts, for good reason (such as hang out here: www.rimfirecentral.com ).

First, .22lr, .22l, and .22short are extraordinarily good and effective small game rounds - more types of game can and should be hunted with .22 than any other caliber - probably all others combined. This is because the round is effective, espec. with head shots, yet destroys very little meat - very important if you plan to eat it. Tree squirrels, ground squirrels, small rabbits, jackrabbits, beaver, nutria, muskrat, groundhogs, racoon, weasal, oppossum, armadillo, otters, mink, foxes, even turkeys and such; maybe even badgers, coyotes, & wolverines, though perhaps not ideal for the latter. These types of animals just abound, and therefore comprise the majority of actual hunting that goes on - even though you don't hear about it as much as big game. Any kind of rodentia or birds which stand still long enough to be shot can be hunted with a .22, and for MOST of these species, a .22 is ideal. No collection can be complete without a .22, and probably, no gun collection should even start without a .22. It's the best money you could ever spend on a gun if you don't have one, particularly something like a Marlin 60 at about $110 for the plain jane version. The ammo is just dirt cheap, very little noise, virtually no recoil. Extremely good way to practice and learn shooting techniques / sights / etc. You absolutely can't go wrong with a good .22 (or for that matter, other rimfires like .22 mag, .17 hmr, and .17 mach 2). And they are perfect for plinking - fun as all get-out. And that's correct, a full-power .22lr is a powerful round, easily capable of killing a human with a CNS or vital organ shot. One of the beauties of having a .22 is that you can download from the (1) high-vel rounds, down to (2) standard vel rounds, (3) subsonic rounds, and (4) no-powder rounds, to specifically suit your needs for various-sized rodentia and birds, or target/precision shooting (where standard vel or subsonics are typically superior).

If you want to know Kalashnikov, I will give you the website address!

I'd like to know who/where is selling it. Plus if I dont need a Class III or import permit or anything I know I can afford it

Well, it can't be for taking down aircraft at 4 miles, that's what the .50 is for. :p

Well, it can't be for taking down aircraft at 4 miles, that's what the .50 is for.

Nope, it's more of a ICBM/zombie marsian grizzly stopper. :neener:

Yere its for killing Killer elephants alright! It like a .577 T-Rex or a .600 nitro only it got a lot more penetration, this baby is for busting through steel! :evil:

It make a .454 Casull look like a toy!

You only have 1 round, but a 1000 gr do you need two?

You only have 1 round, but a 1000 gr do you need two?
Yes :evil:

Me Likey !!

Did you manage to get one Kalashnikov?

No, not YET. I need to research the legality of such purchases and importations. Luckily Canada is a short drive from here, else the gas cost would be as much as the rifle.