Do they still make .600 and .700


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andym79
August 23, 2005, 12:10 PM
Do they still making the .600 and .700 Nitro Express calibres?

I take it we would be talking $XXXX for such a gun and $XX for 10 rounds?

The .600 can penetrate 56 inches of wet paper 'Vs' 40 for the .500 S&W!

Are calibres such as .600 and .700 with a bullet of upto 1000 grain really necessary?

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Third_Rail
August 23, 2005, 12:15 PM
Yes.

$25,000-$50,000+ for the gun.

$100-$200+ each cartridge.

Needed? Nah... but they sure are interesting.

james481
August 23, 2005, 02:09 PM
Floating around somewhere on the 'net is video of a guy firing a TC Encore with a custom barrel chambered in .600 NE. From the looks of it, recoil wasn't too bad... It only knocked him back about 8 feet into a wall... :eek:

Third_Rail
August 23, 2005, 02:17 PM
Oh, it did not. He fell over from it, though. And it was a .577 T-rex.

andym79
August 23, 2005, 02:41 PM
Is the .577 T-Rex and more common than the .600 or .700 NE?

I was reading about the original big bore hand gun it was a .577 boxer from the UK, made by Webley or Birmingham (no they are a shadow of there former glory making .177 and .22 air rifles and a few FAC 40-50 ft/lb ones for those who have applied for a licence for air rifles in the 1000-1200 fps range). Apparently until the .44 magnum cartridge was released the boxer was the most powerful mass produced gun in the world.

The Boxer was first produced in 1868, untill 1923. In the days before us Brits became pussies!

Third_Rail
August 23, 2005, 03:10 PM
Andy, NONE of these cartridges are common. The most common cartridge in this power class is 50BMG, then 45/70.

andym79
August 23, 2005, 04:23 PM
Here is a video of a guy firing above a lot of people ft/lbs!

Check out the video:

http://www.firearmsid.com/A_featurevideo.htm

"the "feature video" you have on your website... came from www.accuratereloading.com. Basically the rifle is chambered for the .577 Tyrannosaurus Rex. According to their reloading data, the 13.6 pound rifle normally fires a solid 750 grain bullet at a velocity approaching 2600 fps for a muzzle energy of over 11000 foot-pounds. This energy is comparable to that of the US military's .50 BMG cartridge frequently used as a heavy machinegun and anti-material rifle.

MachIVshooter
August 23, 2005, 08:36 PM
The most common cartridge in this power class is 50BMG, then 45/70.

:confused:

I can think of a few rounds in between these two. Quite a few.

nextjoe
August 23, 2005, 09:50 PM
Are calibres such as .600 and .700 with a bullet of upto 1000 grain really necessary?

Not until they make a real Jurassic Park.

Seriously, some of the old elephant hunters favored the .577 Nitro Express over the .600, due to better penetration (higher sectional denisty), less recoil, and lighter gun weight. The .700 is a very recent invention, and I have yet to see a report of someone actually using it on dangerous game.

Third_Rail
August 23, 2005, 09:57 PM
MachIVshooter, most common. I can think of many as well.

Strongbad
August 23, 2005, 10:29 PM
That video of the guy with the TC pistol was a 600 NE, not a .577. (See link below)

A friend who's brother is big into SCI and goes to Africa atleast once a year just picked up a double gun in 600NE. I think he said it was $12 a round? No telling how much the gun cost though... thousands. The purpose of guns like the 600NE and 700NE is strictly to kill large kritters at close range who can eat your a**. :)

The 600NE pistol video and pics of the gun can be found @
600 NE (http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=bigbores&Number=34889&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1)

andym79
August 24, 2005, 01:42 PM
Look at this monster!

[Image removed by moderator - click on attachment to view. Warning - 500K+ in size.]

Found a video of a guy shooting a .600 NE pistol (it slow to load):

http://home.comcast.net/~kudoo3/John_shooting_600_nitro.MOV

That is too much power in a hand gun, imagine a .700 :fire:

Serum556
August 25, 2005, 01:19 PM
Aren't things over .50 Class III/NFA/DD type things that "normal" civvies aren't allowed to own?

Gifted
August 25, 2005, 04:22 PM
There are exceptions for these cartridges. Since they are generally used for big game, and are not considered high risk guns, they aren't regulated as NFA weapons.

benEzra
August 25, 2005, 07:07 PM
Yup, just like .729 caliber (12-gauge) shotguns.

The BATFE/Treasury dept. can designate pretty much any 12-gauge or 20-gauge shotgun they want to as Class III/Title 2 by stroke of the pen, by designating it "nonsporting," as Lloyd Bentson did in the mid-'90's with a couple of revolving-cylinder shotguns.

brentwal
August 26, 2005, 12:44 AM
Here's more videos of people getting knocked on their rumps. (http://www.accuratereloading.com/) :eek:

Look in the Humor and Video section. This is the place where the videos are from in the first place. Only one or two guys don't get beat up when they fire the rifles.

andym79
September 6, 2005, 01:41 AM
I still have not found anywhere that they sell .600 or .700 NE pistols or riles do they still make these brutes or are they custom built?

max popenker
September 6, 2005, 02:17 AM
I still have not found anywhere that they sell .600 or .700 NE pistols or riles do they still make these brutes

check out this:
The Holland&Holland "Royal" Double Barrel Rifle
Calibres: Flanged, belted or rimless designs from .240 to .700
Prices:
240 H&H; 7mm & 8mm ... 71,500
300 H&H; 9,3mm ... 74,000
375 H&H; 500/465H&H ... 79,500
577 and 600 ... 87,000
700 H&H ... 125,000

http://www.hollandandholland.com/~newyork/newguns/royal-double-rifle.htm

andym79
September 6, 2005, 12:24 PM
Thanks max popenker:

Figures, their British, I hate my country :banghead: , even the normal calibres are silly money.

Brits are a bunch of idiots and I don't mind anyone saying so. :mad:

God get me out of here, why can't I move to the States!

(If only it were the 1860's again, I would take all my savings and go buy a ticket at the dock, get my passage to America).

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