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L.T.
August 24, 2005, 06:12 PM
what if i want to get a autoloader from some company so i could scope it and maybe bipod then which company would have an affordable autoloader?

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mattw
August 24, 2005, 06:14 PM
First you need to decide whether you want an autoloading pistol, shotgun, or rifle. Second you need to post it in the correct forum.

Black Majik
August 24, 2005, 06:20 PM
huh??

You want a pistol or rifle? I'm gonna guess rifle since a bipod on a pistol would look kinda funny.

Give us details. What caliber? .223, .308, 30-06, .50 BMG?

Scope? How far are you shooting? What are you shooting at? Paper targets or steel sillhouettes?

Bipod, theres many out there. Most used is Harris Bipods.

Give us some criteria, and we can give you a whole buncha suggestions for you to read over. Also, what is your price range? And be more specific, a lot more specific of what you're really asking.

You're question is really vague. What are you really asking?

BTW, welcome to the forum. :)

Tory
August 24, 2005, 07:20 PM
Do you know the difference between a statement and a question?

On to the ostensible purpose of your oddly-stated query:

"...which company would have an affordable autoloader?"

Answer: Depends on what you define as "affordable."

Sounds as if you have zero firearms experience. That being the case, start with a Ruger 10/22. Good quality at a reasona ble price AND a wide variety of after-market parts which allow you to accessorize it many ways.

Yes, it is easily scoped. Yes, the inexpensive, spring-loaded, one-size-fits-most bipods will work nicely.

You can even get a kit that the receiver/barrel drops into, making it look like an MG-42. Sounds like just what you are looking for. ;)

Later, you can get trick hammer/trigger/sear kits, mag releases and bolt handles, as well as serious barrels. :cool:

hso
August 24, 2005, 07:37 PM
I'll be the first.

WELCOME!

Now rephrase the question focusing on what I assume to be a rifle question.

L.T.
August 24, 2005, 08:40 PM
actually a shotgun that is a 12 gauge that i can use to hunt deer and or birds (interchangebale barrels) or just deer. My price range is up to 450.00 dollars. And does the longer barrels provide more distance?

L.T.
August 24, 2005, 08:46 PM
unless if there is a good autoloader rifle like the m-14.

Taurus 66
August 24, 2005, 09:09 PM
You want to hunt birds using a shotgun with a bipod? Hmmm that's a first!

$450 will get you what everyone else and their brother has - Remington 870. But it's not a rifle, so don't expect high performance at great distances.

Majic
August 24, 2005, 09:14 PM
I guess I'll be the first to ask. Why a bipod mounted on a shotgun?

L.T.
August 25, 2005, 06:01 PM
first of all nount the bipod so I can steady for deer, and if an autoloader shotgun with interchangebal so i can use the bipod for deer then take it of and switch barrels for bird

Vern Humphrey
August 25, 2005, 06:34 PM
actually a shotgun that is a 12 gauge that i can use to hunt deer and or birds (interchangebale barrels) or just deer. My price range is up to 450.00 dollars. And does the longer barrels provide more distance?

The barrel length has little or no effect on range. For deerhunting, you can get a rifled barrel and you can buy slugs or sabots that are designed for rifled barrels -- these give you a significant range advantage over a smooth-bore barrel.

Most people like a shorter barrel (around 20") for a deer gun -- makes it easier to handle in brush. For upland game (quail, rabbits, and so on) a somewhat longer barrel is better -- and of coursem you use shot and a smooth bore. A 24" to 26" barrel makes for a lively gun for close, fast moving targets.

For waterfowl, a 28" barrel makes the swing a bit steadier.

Black Majik
August 25, 2005, 07:30 PM
Ack! gonna drill into that wood stock autoloading shotgun to mount a bipod!? I was WAAAYYY off! LOL.

Either I dont see the point of a bipod on a shotgun, or I haven't been around firearms enough to know better... Hmm.... :scrutiny: :eek: :D

Luchtaine
August 25, 2005, 07:35 PM
Bipods are meant for long range rifles... generally speaking I don't think anyone ever intended for a shot gun to be makeing 600+ yard shots with a scope and Bipod.

Atleast I don't but I don't have a shot gun so who am I to say.

L.T.
August 25, 2005, 09:24 PM
ok then does anyone know where I can go an m-14 for a lowered price from 300.00-500.00

Black Majik
August 25, 2005, 11:02 PM
Umm... well, M-14 clones or M1A's aren't cheap.

Best thing to do, is to go to http://www.m-14forum.com and browse the classifieds for a Poly-tech M-14. Cheapest you'll find an M-14. M-14 style rifle comes in .308, you know that right? Is that what you want?

For $300 - $500, look at the Mini-14, it mimics the M-14 (kinda) and shoots the .223 cartridge, which is less expensive to shoot.

Are you going to hunt? You've mentioned that you want to hunt deer, then switch barrels for bird hunting. Right now, I'll tell you that there is no place for a bipod on a hunting rifle, NOR a shotgun!

If you're gonna do some target shooting, well the M-14 is a great autoloading rifle, its accurate to boot, but it ain't gonna be had for $500. Cheapest I saw was a Poly-tech Chinese M14 for $800.

So answer a few questions for us ok?

What are you shooting at?
Why a bipod?
Does it have to be a semi-auto?
If you're hunting deer, would you not like a bolt action rifle?
Do you want a shotgun or rifle, first you mentioned shooting deer, then bird, now it seems you want to shoot targets?
What caliber/gauge?
Tell us a little about your firearms history.

bogie
August 25, 2005, 11:30 PM
1) What part of the country do you live in.

2) How old are you?

Black Majik
August 25, 2005, 11:53 PM
Thanks Bogie for asking question #2, I wanted to ask that too but didn't want to :D

L.T.
August 26, 2005, 05:03 PM
shooting at a club and up at my families house in michigan.
why not a bipod.
does not have to be semi auto.
bolt action is fine but i am a fan of the m-14.
I owuld perfer the rifle of the shotgun for the deer and targets.
.308 or 30-06 or .223
I have shot 870s, over under, colt revlover and the gi kind, and something like a p22, and lastly just a simple little break action 20 gauge shotgun.
Shot 12 gauge, 20 gauge, .45, and whatever the p22 and revlover are.
I live near chicago about 40 miles out.
I am 15 yrs old. Does it make a difference? My parnts can techanically own it if thats what your saying.

Tory
August 26, 2005, 05:22 PM
Do you mean an M-14? I rather doubt it, as they are selective fire, hideously expensive and you can't own one. Perhaps you mean the Ruger Mini-14. Which?

Hint: Learn to spell. In the meantime, learn to use spellcheck. ;)

L.T.
August 26, 2005, 05:25 PM
ya mostlikely the ruger

Ian
August 26, 2005, 06:21 PM
I am 15 yrs old. Does it make a difference? My parnts can techanically own it if thats what your saying.

I think what they are implying is that perhaps you should consider learning more about firearms and shooting before you go out and get a gun for hunting. Several of the questions you are asking don't make a lot of sense. For example, you say you're a fan of the M14, but don't seem to know what an M14 is.

Not to burst your bubble, but the most practical hunting rifles and shotguns are often the simplest, most plain looking guns around. Basic pump-action or single/double barrelled shotguns, and vanilla bolt-action or lever-action rifles. Either kind of firearm can be easily found for less than $250.

Have you gone to the local shooting range and talked to the other shooters there? You could learn a lot from them. Also, do you have any relatives or adult friends who are hunters? You might be able to go along with them on a hunting trip, and again learn a lot about what is important for hunting and what isn't. If nothing else, you could pick up a lot of information just reading the discussions here on THR.

FWIW, a bipod on a deer rifle isn't generally useful because it requires you to lie dwn to use it. Doing that would often either startle your deer into fleeing or obstruct your view of the deer. In the meantime, that bipod isn't weightless, and is hanging out at the end of the rifle all the time. You'd be better off practicing so that you can shoot offhand (that is to say, standing and not using any rests).

mnrivrat
August 26, 2005, 06:25 PM
Hi LT !

I think I know kinda what your looking at so let me try to answer your question.

First to address the possibility of a shotgun for you : Most shotguns set up for deer these days have a rifled slug barrel available to shoot sabot slugs out to about 125 yds. Many people scope these slug guns and probably the most practical way is to have what they call a cantilever barrel. This mounting system is attached to the barrel itself and extends rearward over the reciever to mount a standard style scope. When the barrel is removed to put on a regular shot barrel, the scope remains attached to the slug barrel and therefore does not require re-zeroing when placed back onto the gun. Typically people do not put a bipod on this type of set-up , but hey - it can be done and it can be used to steady the gun to help make the longer shots . That is a personal choice. I'll get to cost after I cover the rifle part.

To address the rifle , there are many available and nothing wrong with the Ruger Mini 14 for shooting. The .223 version may not be legal for deer in your state however ( it is not legal in MN ) so going to the Mini 30 (7.62 X 39 ) would likely be necessary .

Now to cost : Both of these type choices would likely exceed the $500 mark unless one can find them used and even then it will be close.

In an auto rifle, you could look at an SKS . With a bipod, scope and mount of medium quality, you could get buy in the $350 to $400 range.

On shotgun you could look at a used Remington 1100 in the $300 range, but the slug barrel alone would likely bring the cost up to nearly $500 and then you have the scope and bipod (mounted off the mag cap) to buy yet.

In MN we have area's where deer can only be taken by shotgun & slug. If that is the case where you live , and deer hunting is your objective then you will have little choice but to look at shotguns - pumps would be cheaper .

Good luck , and if you have any further questions you can PM me as well as post them.

L.T.
August 26, 2005, 06:40 PM
thanks everyone

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