Germans begin boycott of American goods...


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Mike Irwin
March 25, 2003, 04:05 PM
From Reuters.

Sounds like it's time to let them know we're still their biggest consumer market...



BERLIN (Reuters) - No more Coca-Cola or Budweiser, no Marlboro, no American whiskey or even American Express cards -- a growing number of restaurants in Germany are taking everything American off their menus to protest the war in Iraq (news - web sites).

Although the protests are mainly symbolic, waiters in dozens of bars and restaurants in Hamburg, Berlin, Munich, Bonn and other German cities are telling patrons, "Sorry, Coca-Cola is not available any more due to the current political situation."


The boycotts appear to be part of a nascent worldwide movement. One Web site, www.consumers-against-war.de, calls for boycotts of 27 top American firms from Microsoft to Kodak while another, www.adbusters.org, urges the "millions of people against the war" to "Boycott Brand America."


Consumer fury seems to be on the rise. Demonstrators in Paris smashed the windows of a McDonald's restaurant last week, forcing police in riot gear to move in to protect staff and customers of the American fast-food outlet. The attackers sprayed obscenities and "boycott" on the windows.


In Indonesia, Iraq war opponents have pasted signs on McDonald's and other American food outlets, trying to force them shut by "sealing them" and urging Indonesians to avoid them.


In the Swiss city of Basel, 50 students recently staged a sit-down strike in front of a McDonald's to block customers' entry, waved peace signs and urged people to eat pretzels instead of hamburgers.


Anti-American sentiment has even reached provinces in Russia, where some rural eateries put up signs telling Americans they were unwelcome, according to an Izvestia newspaper report.


A German bicycle manufacturer, Riese und Mueller GmbH, canceled all business deals with its American suppliers.


"Americans only pay attention when money is on the line," director Heiko Mueller told Reuters, whose firm buys $300,000 worth of supplies from half a dozen American firms each year.


"We wanted to make a statement against this war and told our American partners that unless they renounce what their government is doing we won't do any business with them anymore."


SMALL BUT SYMBOLIC ACTS


The German restaurant boycotts of American products started small but spread rapidly after the Iraq war began on Thursday. The conflict has struck a raw nerve in a country that became decidedly anti-war after the devastation of World War II, which it initiated.


"If people all around the world boycott American products it might influence their policies," said Jean-Yves Mabileau, owner of "L'Auberge Francaise" which joined 10 Hamburg restaurants in banning Coca Cola, Philip Morris' Marlboro cigarettes, whiskey and other American goods.


"This started as a light-hearted reaction to Americans dumping French wine in the gutter and renaming 'French Fries' as 'Freedom Fries'," he said. "But it feels good to take a stand against this war. It is just a small gesture, but a good one."


Diners at the Osteria restaurant in Berlin are finding that "things go better without Coke" and are ordering Germany's long overshadowed imitation of "the real thing" -- the slightly sweeter "Afri-Cola" -- to express their outrage.


"We wanted to do something to express our annoyance," Osteria owner Fabio Angile told Reuters. "We want to hit America where it hurts -- in their wallets. None of the customers have complained. On the contrary, most thought it was a great idea."


Herve Keroureda, owner of a French restaurant in Hamburg known as "Ti Breizh," said he was astonished by the massive media coverage of their small-scale anti-American protest.

"It was only intended as a small gesture but has turned into a gigantic issue," he said. "And the reaction from the patrons has been tremendous. Most have called it a brilliant idea."

In Bonn, bartender Bruno Kessler said he was refusing to sell American whiskey or American beer such as Anheuser-Busch's Budweiser at his "Eifeler Stuben."

"I asked myself 'What can I possibly do to show my anger over this barbary?'," he told Germany's N-24 television network.

STARBUCKS, BIG MACS AVOIDED

Sarah Stolz, a 22-year-old German student of American studies, was headed for a Starbucks, coffee shop in central Berlin when her anti-war conscience got the best of her.

"I was thinking about going into Starbucks which I love, when I realized it was wrong," she said. "I'm backing the boycott because the war is totally unjustified."

Rita Marschall was avoiding McDonald's and Burger King.

"I'm boycotting American products because their policy on Iraq is totally wrong," said Marschall, 26, in front of a Berlin McDonald's. "It's just one of many ways we can take a stand."

Some German bakeries have renamed a local cake known as "Amerikaner" -- a disk-shaped pastry with icing on top -- as "Peace-ies," bearing a peace sign piped in chocolate sauce.

The boycotts are having only a negligible business impact. Establishments often associated with the American way of life such as Starbucks, Dunkin' Donuts, McDonald's and Coca-Cola reported no major business impact from the protests. Dunkin Donuts is owned by Britain's Allied Domecq

"We're really a local business in Germany, the product is made in Germany and they're boycotting German products," said Jonathan Chandler, communications director for Coca-Cola Europe, Eurasia and the Middle East in London.

Chandler declined comment on whether it was hurting sales, but an industry source said any impact would not be serious.

A spokeswoman for McDonald's in Europe said there had been no discernible impact on sales from the actions, and described the attack on the Paris restaurant as "an unfortunate incident during a protest."

"As a global entity, McDonald's is just a brand," she said. "Most of the restaurants are local franchises and support their local community. So why do they attack McDonald's? If you get a good answer please let me know."

In the London suburb of Milton Keynes, the Greens party have called on consumers to boycott 330 American products ranging from Mars bars to Gap jeans and American films on DVD and video.

In Zurich, travel agents said some clients who usually take holidays in the United States are changing their destinations.

"Some of the most loyal customers who have been traveling to the United States for years have changed their plans because they don't like what Bush is doing," Lucia Zeller, director of the Travac travel agency, told the Tages Anzeiger newspaper.

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trooper
March 25, 2003, 04:35 PM
This is just as thoughtless as that Danish pizzeria guy who boycotts French and German customers.

Boycotting people based on their political opinion is fine with me, but boycotting based on people's nationality is just plain dumb.


Regards,

Trooper

USGuns
March 25, 2003, 05:10 PM
Based on the latest foreign trade statistics:
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/www/index.html
all the countries mentioned have huge trade SURPLUSES with the US (we buy more from them than they buy from us ), so if they want to play dirty like this then ultimately THEY will be the big losers.
Maybe we should stop buying German cars, eh? Germany's economy ( that socialist and moral utopia, with an 11% unemployment rate) would drop like a stone.

Nightfall
March 25, 2003, 05:21 PM
"We wanted to make a statement against this war and told our American partners that unless they renounce what their government is doing we won't do any business with them anymore."

Kindly provide me with the list of American companies willing to do such so we know who the traitors are. :evil:

esef
March 25, 2003, 05:23 PM
USGuns,

I just noticed your signature tag “We should be exporting freedom, not importing people."
- Me

One of the best ways that we show our love of freedom is by sharing it with others who lack it by allowing them to come to this country and become Americans.

Where would you be if your family was not allowed to immigrate to this country many generations ago? (I’m assuming that you are not a recent immigrant) Think about it.


Ed

Art Eatman
March 25, 2003, 05:32 PM
esef, from the standpoint of my psychic comfort zone and sense of crowding, this country is a hundred million or so too many. Anybody wants in, let'em pay somebody to leave. :D

Yurropeens boycotting Starbuck's and McDonalds? Shucks, I already don't go there...I've always avoided any chain to the greatest extent possible. Well, car parts store chains is different. :)

Howsomever, tit for tat, if that phrase is socially acceptable...

Art

Gary H
March 25, 2003, 05:41 PM
esef:

I'm sorry, but I think that you might just think about what you just stated. You don't "become American" because you come to this country. Some born in this country don't appreciate what they have. You CAN'T just open the borders, or you will have just another third world economy and everyone will be poor; all six-billion Americans.

CZ 75 BD
March 25, 2003, 05:47 PM
IMO, They need us more than we need them.

geekWithA.45
March 25, 2003, 06:05 PM
IMO, They need us more than we need them.

Actually, they don't NEED us at all. They can grow food, and build houses/tents/whatever just fine, at least enough to subsist.

The uncomfortable fact (for them) is that they WANT us.

Sean Smith
March 25, 2003, 06:37 PM
Has anyone else had a Coke in Germany? They serve it warm, give it to you in tiny glassfulls, and it costs more than beer!

:scrutiny:

CZ-75
March 25, 2003, 06:43 PM
Unlike the English, at least the beer is cold. :D



I seriously doubt that there were any Germans who weren't boycotting Budweiser long before the war. ;)

TallPine
March 25, 2003, 06:46 PM
Ok, fine - so don't buy a Big Mac made with meat from Argentina, lettuce and tomato from Israel, and wheat from Australia.

And frauleins manning the cash register ...

:neener:

MeekandMild
March 25, 2003, 07:06 PM
HAR! :D What are they going to do, boycotting all those American-made Mercedes?

T.Stahl
March 25, 2003, 07:49 PM
Has anyone else had a Coke in Germany? They serve it warm, give it to you in tiny glassfulls, and it costs more than beer!

I heard that in America they put ice even in beer! :what:

Argh, this silly boycotting BS! I can assure you that my slightly critical position towards the war in Iraq will not keep me buying American goods in the near future. :)

Snowdog
March 25, 2003, 08:14 PM
Ice... in... beer...?

It is served ice cold, but to put ice in someone's beer is to get a free trip to the psychiatric ward (in these parts, anyway).

Sean Smith
March 25, 2003, 08:34 PM
T.Stahl,

LOL! :D I've never seen ice in beer over here, and I've been all over the United States. We do serve our beer cold as all get-out, maybe because our beer wouldn't even fit the German legal definition of "beer" in the first place. ;)

(Actually, I think Sam Adams is legally "beer" in Germany... but last I checked, Budweiser has RICE in it :scrutiny: )

Jokes about Coke aside, I do miss German food and German beer. Sometimes, around 6pm, I start to hear the siren song of Jagerschnitzel...

:evil:

If I wasn't running 5 miles a day over there, I think I would have weighed 400 pounds instead of 185. :what:

Soap
March 25, 2003, 08:54 PM
Obviously, stupidity knows no geographical bounds. Boycotting based on nationality simply illustrates the economic ignorance of people.

fallingblock
March 25, 2003, 09:16 PM
but there's got to be a balance on immigration.

Like Art says, once you start getting to the point you
feel 'crowded' in your own space, there are too many 'incoming' for the good of the nation:)

As for Germany 'boycotting' U.S. goods...they'll get over it; especially once Saddam is gone and the 'deals' start to turn up for the new Iraq.;)

Safety First
March 25, 2003, 09:34 PM
would have a different point of view if 9-11 had happened to them on their soil..and to think the German people would point a finger at Americans for being agressors. Their memory is short too,the world hasn'nt forgotten Hitler,but the French seem to have forgotten who pulled their fat of the fryer when my dad and thousands of other U.S. troops drove the Germans out.. Seems to me we should learn from this and think twice before helping out future countries with the blood of Americans...yeah, I am a little ticked :fire:

Sir Galahad
March 25, 2003, 09:36 PM
They'll get tired of smoking Caporel and Gauloise soon enough.

Mike Irwin
March 25, 2003, 10:22 PM
"Unlike the English, at least the beer is cold."

Good reason for drinking some British beers warmer...

The type of yeast used.

Drink a traditional British beer cold and it's the worst thing you could ever imagine.

Tamara
March 25, 2003, 10:32 PM
Anybody wants in, let'em pay somebody to leave.

You gonna wait on that opinion until they swear my bud lendringser in, or do I have to help him get up the scratch to talk someone into emigrating? :scrutiny:

Drjones
March 25, 2003, 11:38 PM
Actually, they don't NEED us at all. They can grow food, and build houses/tents/whatever just fine, at least enough to subsist.

The uncomfortable fact (for them) is that they WANT us.

EXACTLY.

The rest of the world is so enamored with everything and anything American, it is ridiculous.

The world loves our culture, products, technology, TV shows, movies, etc. SO MUCH, yet they hate US.

:rolleyes:

I suggest we aid their boycott by withdrawing our armed forces from all countries involved, as well as immediately ending any and all aid of any sort.

:evil:

JimP
March 25, 2003, 11:41 PM
Let's see, the Germans won't drink Budweiser??? Boy, that'll really hurt us. You know how much crappy beer the Germans drink...:rolleyes:

Zundfolge
March 26, 2003, 12:04 AM
Anyone find it ironic that some Germans have put up a web site to list the American products to boycott.

So are most Germans using Linux on the computers they surf the net with (and view the site with)? because Windows and MacOS are both American products. :neener:



More idiotic groupthink :rolleyes:




No, I'm not getting rid of my Porsche :neener:

CZ-75
March 26, 2003, 12:34 AM
Drink a traditional British beer cold and it's the worst thing you could ever imagine.

Even "warm" English beer is still colder than room temperature. Usually 45-55 degrees Fahrenheit.

ZekeLuvs1911
March 26, 2003, 01:29 AM
This is the best news I've heard all day......More beer for me!!! :p

faustulus
March 26, 2003, 02:29 AM
You don't "become American" because you come to this country.
Actually it should. The great thing about America is that anyone can become an American. I can move to Japan and get japanese citizenship, but I will never be Japanese. Someone from Japan can move to America get citizenship and they are American. That is the beauty of the country. We are all wanderers here.
As for crowded, two-thirds of the nation's popluation live east of the Mississippi. We have got a bit of room.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door" -from "The New Colossus" by Emma Lazarus

CZ-75
March 26, 2003, 02:33 AM
two-thirds of the nation's popluation live east of the Mississippi.

And most of them are on the coast and in the NE and mid-Atlantic.

Plenty of room in IN, TN, AL, KY, GA outside of Atlanta, etc.

seeker_two
March 26, 2003, 10:23 AM
Does this mean that the Germans aren't trading in their SIG's & H&K's for Hi-Points anytime soon?... :what:

If they want a trade war, fine. I haven't seen anything that they do better than their Eastern Bloc counterparts & American production can't match or exceed (Hi-Point excluded, of course...:D )

Art Eatman
March 26, 2003, 10:41 AM
Hey, Tam, I dunno if the country is better off or worse off on account of my folks coming here, or yours, or for Lendringser's arrival. Doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with an immigrant being a good guy or a bad guy.

I've said, it's an emotional thing on my part; I feel crowded. I ain't sure I'd jump out of a lifeboat to let in an Albert Einstein, for that matter. Regardless, it's nothing personal against any person or nationality or whatever.

I just don't like feeling crowded. I live with the reality that my opinion isn't gonna change the situation, though, and I don't see any reason to be mean to a "Newbie" arrival...It's not an issue of "fault".

:), Art

JoeSF
March 26, 2003, 10:58 AM
They just lost their export market for arms to Iraq so what are they going to sell?
Lets hope we can all move forward after this war and get along.

esef
March 26, 2003, 11:46 AM
They may not become "Americans" by just moving here but if they stay long enough, their children will.

And as to my post, yes I admit that it was rather simplistic but I was replying to a very simplistic statement. If you want to have a comprehensive debate on the pros and cons of a closed immigration policy and the xenophobia, I’ll be happy to oblige off-line. Here is my email: esef@hotmail.com

Ed

Ledbetter
March 26, 2003, 01:54 PM
1. We are not all wanderers here, although some of us may have to finally resort to wandering because our home states have attracted massive numbers of loonies and freeloaders from every hemisphere.

2. I hope they do stamp out Starbucks. But then where will they get their $4 cups of coffee?

Soap
March 26, 2003, 02:23 PM
It is too fine of a day to boycott my Mercedes-Benz :p

I suggest we aid their boycott by withdrawing our armed forces from all countries involved, as well as immediately ending any and all aid of any sort.

You mean we should actually punish the governments instead of just screwing private citizens!? Watch out when you make these statements...don't ever interject logic into a "boycott country X" thread ;)

Dannyboy
March 26, 2003, 03:18 PM
Has anyone else had a Coke in Germany? They serve it warm, give it to you in tiny glassfulls, and it costs more than beer!
That's why I bought it in the bottle and only drank beer when I went out. I didn't care for the lemon flavor either.

Poodleshooter
March 26, 2003, 05:35 PM
More economic ignorance. :rolleyes: Sure, you boycott the local German/French/Russian KFC. Have you hurt America? Not really. Sure, the parent company reports lowered foreign sales. Who really suffers? The foreign subsidiary of the American parent company does. Who do they think pays taxes to the local government coffers, and who do they think staffs the restaurant and risks unemployment if the place closes? Who do they think supplies the company with it's local power, phone connections, water, and small sundries and possibly even inventory? With many foreign subsidiaries, about the only American involvement is in the form of trademarks and franchising fees.
Everyone sit back and watch as the global economy ignoramuses strangle their own economies.
Me, I'll just continue faxing intercompany invoices to my company's foreign subsidiaries. They just keep buying our stuff :D

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