U.S. Tactical Dolphins and PETA


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Ebbtide
March 25, 2003, 05:19 PM
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=3994516

This is K-Dog, the coalition forces' most surprising weapon against Iraq.

With a camera strapped to his fin, the bottle-nose dolphin is one of about 100 dolphins and sea lions helping to clear shipping lanes in the Gulf to ensure a safe passage for vessels, including those which will provide humanitarian relief.

K-Dog and his handler Sgt Andrew Garrett are part of a multinational team, CTU-55.4.3, consisting of Naval Special Clearance Team One, Britain's Fleet Diving Unit Three, Australia's Clearance Dive Team, and two Explosive Ordnance Disposal units.

A Pentagon spokesman said: "The team works in both deep and shallow waters, looking for mines and marking them. Dolphins have been used like this by the US Navy for more than 30 years, and have proved themselves more reliable than robots."

He said that unlike robots, the dolphins did not run out of power, nor did they go missing or have problems communicating from the sea bed.

Now for PETA:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/dolphiniraq1.html

MARCH 25--When The Smoking Gun learned today (via a Drudge Report link) that coalition forces in Iraq had embedded sea life in the drive to oust Saddam Hussein, we wondered how long it would take People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals to leap to the defense of mine-sweeping dolphins and sea lions.

As it turned out, PETA took about three minutes to provide us with a statement attacking the military practice of using marine mammals to look for and mark mines that now dot shipping lanes in the Persian Gulf. Along with troops and military equipment, humanitarian aid is also passing through that channel.

On a sea sortie?

Here's what PETA has to say:

"Our troops deserve the best defense possible, but PETA opposes the use of dolphins, sea lions, or any other marine mammals. The project is cruel and cannot provide a reliable defense or surveillance for our troops. The Navy claims they are not putting these animals in harm's way, but they've removed these animals from their homes, relocated them to foreign waters in the Persian Gulf, and are forcing them to not only inspect the waters, but to actually swim up to potential terrorists under the water, clamp a cuff on their leg, and deploy a floating marker. How can anyone say these animals are not being put in harm's way?

The bottom line is that dolphins cannot provide a reliable defense. These are living beings with minds of their own, and though they are incredibly intelligent, they have no idea that lives will be lost if they fail to perform tasks properly. Yet, the military wants to rely on the actions of these animals in order to protect our troops. Our troops deserve the best defense possible and this isn't it. The animals and our troops deserve better."

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Nathaniel Firethorn
March 25, 2003, 05:28 PM
Were the dolphins packing more than a camrea?

If not, I think this is going to be a short thread, but a merry one...

- pdmoderator

gudel
March 25, 2003, 05:30 PM
oh.. this reminds me of sharks with laser weapon :D

pale horse
March 25, 2003, 05:59 PM
Just to make it on topic.....hehehe.

Its gonna be drastic, but will prove my point.

Get a starvinglion and one on those tree hugging pinko nazis new born kid and put all three in the same room. Give the tree hugging pinko nazi a gun and choose which one dies. The debate between animals and humans is over.

Oh and nuke berkley.:neener:

spacemanspiff
March 25, 2003, 06:08 PM
how exactly did the idea get started that animals 'think' for themselves?

P12
March 25, 2003, 06:14 PM
Before this thread gets closed;

I suggest that PETA members volunteer to take the dolphins place!:D

AZTOY
March 25, 2003, 06:19 PM
I suggest that PETA members volunteer to take the dolphins place!

I agree:D

CZ-75
March 25, 2003, 06:35 PM
how exactly did the idea get started that animals 'think' for themselves?

The apes that have been taught to use sign language talk among themselves and to themselves.

Considering their close evolutionary relationship, that shouldn't be too much of a stretch.

Dolphins also communicate with each other and grasp complex concepts.

Even crows have been shown to make specialized tools to find food.

Still, none of them have created "civilization." so they are lacking something humans have.

A few million more years and who knows?

They already seem to have a leg up on PETA.




As to the PETA nuts, give me a break.

Considering how agile dolphins are, it is the humans who are in geater danger in the water, if just because of their clumsiness.

modifiedbrowning
March 25, 2003, 06:36 PM
"Sea Bass? Are they ill-tempered?"

spacemanspiff
March 25, 2003, 06:40 PM
the way i see it, humans are the only species that is given the opportunity to exist by making conscious decisions. we can think about our actions and make decisions for ourselves. animals operate by instinct. they do what their brains are programmed to do. thats why its far easier to train an animal to do what you tell it to do than to train a human. the human may not want to be trained even if it is rewarded. but if you provide rewards for the animal, you can teach it to do anything.

but thats just my stupid humble opinion.

Steve Smith
March 25, 2003, 06:42 PM
This sort of thing...

Just to make it on topic.....hehehe.


Practically GUARANTEES your thread will be locked.


Interesting thread, ehenz.

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