(MA) Holyoke police chief seeks switch to Glock firearms


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Drizzt
March 25, 2003, 06:47 PM
Holyoke police chief seeks switch to Glock firearms

The Associated Press
3/23/03 5:29 PM


HOLYOKE, Mass. (AP) -- Holyoke Police Chief Anthony R. Scott has proposed arming officers with the Austrian-made Glock semiautomatic pistol because of complaints about ammunition misfeeds, broken firing pins and jamming in the department's Smith & Wesson firearms.

Scott described the complaints in a letter to Mayor Michael J. Sullivan and said his concerns had not been adequately addressed by the Springfield-based gunmaker, despite repeated correspondence.

The recommendation is based on a study by the department's top two gun experts, who relied on an FBI report concluding the Glock is more dependable, Scott said.

"I can only rely on experts, and they tell me the Glock .45 (caliber) is a superior weapon," Scott told the Union-News of Springfield.

Sullivan said he read Scott's memo and will support the request.

"He is the department head, and I have to go on his experience," Sullivan said. "Far be it from me to jeopardize officer safety."

Smith & Wesson spokesman Ken Jorgenson, reached at home Sunday afternoon, said he was unfamiliar with the complaints and could not immediately comment.

Scott said 15 officers training for the new Emergency Response Team last October experienced 70 failures of their Smith & Wesson .40-caliber pistols.

"These weapons were cleaned and inspected each day at the conclusion of training; however, these problems continued," Scott said.

Last October, Scott complained to the company's president at the time, Robert Smith. The company replaced 15 of the handguns with newer models. But problems persisted, including trigger seizures and broken firing pins, Scott said.

After writing to two other top Smith & Wesson officials, Scott received an offer from the company last month: it would sell the city 150 new model 99-45 pistols without holsters for just under $26,000.

Scott asked lead firearms instructor Lt. Arthur R. Monfette Jr. and department armorer Patrolman Kenneth Moriarty to do some research. They concluded that Georgia-based Glock Inc., a unit of Glock GmbH of Austria, could provide a more reliable weapon, citing a recent FBI evaluation of pistols.

Scott reported Glock had offered 150 .45-caliber pistols at $155 apiece, for a total of $24,845, and new holsters for an additional $6,435, and wrote that an existing federal grant would pay for it.

"It won't cost the taxpayers anything at all," Scott said Friday. "It's really about officer safety."

http://www.masslive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?g0161_BC_MA--HolyokePolice-Han&&news&newsflash-massachusetts

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spin180
March 25, 2003, 07:31 PM
Scott reported Glock had offered 150 .45-caliber pistols at $155 apiece, for a total of $24,845.

I want a new Glock for $155 too. :(

swampgator
March 25, 2003, 07:37 PM
an existing federal grant would pay for it.
"It won't cost the taxpayers anything at all," Scott said Friday.

And just who exactly gave the federal government the money that it hands out as grants?

Don Gwinn
March 25, 2003, 07:37 PM
Order 150 and I bet they'll give you that deal.

Does this mean that if we put together a group buy and get at least 150 participants, we can buy Glock 21s for $155 apiece?
Or is that a law-enforcement-only deal aimed at advancing Glock's global law enforcement domination?

Standing Wolf
March 25, 2003, 08:31 PM
The deal Smith & Wesson signed with the Snopes Clinton-Liar Gore régime didn't do the trick?

fallingblock
March 25, 2003, 08:49 PM
Are you implying that the 'deal' was based upon dishonesty, unethical market manipulation and fraud?:eek:

The old conventional wisdom in police circles remains:

Revolver- S&W

Autoloader-not S&W

It would seem that there have been a lot of problems with reliability issues involving S&W autoloaders in police service:(

I do think those $155 Glocks should be more widely available:D

Stevie-Ray
March 25, 2003, 08:58 PM
Does this mean that if we put together a group buy and get at least 150 participants, we can buy Glock 21s for $155 apiece? Hmmm.........how can we find out? I'm in for sure, right this minute in fact.:D

bompa
March 25, 2003, 09:24 PM
How can it be that a police dept. can purchase,buy hell almost a gift, a gun that the general public is not allowed to buy.. Glock is not on the AG's list for legal sale in Mass..
Also why go from bad to worse ?? If they had problems with S&W
what will they have with Glock's..

Pilgrim
March 25, 2003, 10:04 PM
The recommendation is based on a study by the department's top two gun experts, who relied on an FBI report concluding the Glock is more dependable, Scott said. "I can only rely on experts, and they tell me the Glock .45 (caliber) is a superior weapon," Scott told the Union-News of Springfield.

An expert is someone who travels more than 100 miles to tell you how to do your job.

If the Smith & Wesson is that bad, then I suppose none of the officers will offer to buy the department's trade ins.

Waitone
March 25, 2003, 10:24 PM
<Slaps his forehead, shrugs his shoulders--kinda like a Frenchman>

Wasn't Mass. part of the "agreement" the federales signed with S&W? If so, what happened to the preferential supplier clause?

Someone help out here?

CZ-75
March 26, 2003, 12:13 AM
Cops don't pay excise tax, so figure that into the $155 per deal.

Forbes said Glock makes each gun for around $75.



what happened to the preferential supplier clause?

Crap is crap, no matter how they spin it.

Kristofer
March 26, 2003, 12:47 AM
Scott said 15 officers training for the new Emergency Response Team

And why would a city of 35,000 need a 15 man Emergency Responce Team?

:scrutiny:

jmbg29
March 26, 2003, 01:50 AM
And why would a city of 35,000 need a 15 man Emergency Responce Team?Well for starters, it would be because Holyuck is the bung-hole of the People's Cummunewealth of Massachew:cuss:s, if not the entire known Universe.

:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

Thank you God for delivering me, your humble and unworthy servant, from that festering den of iniquity, the P.C.M.!

Amen

CZ-75
March 26, 2003, 02:29 AM
And why would a city of 35,000 need a 15 man Emergency Responce Team?

Ever been there? Lots of urban decay.

New Haven, a similar, slightly larger New England town is home to some pretty awful projects and gang-related crime. This never intrudes into the lives of Yalies unless they are forced into making a "donation" to the local "underclass."

Kristofer
March 26, 2003, 12:22 PM
I'd hardly call Holyoke the "bung-hole" of Massachusetts. This city has less crime per capita than nieghboring Springfield with a Pop. of 200,000. And definitely not enough crime to merit an ERT in either city. I guess I'm just wary of a police department that has been getting more and more out of control the last few years.

jmbg29
March 26, 2003, 01:30 PM
I'd hardly call Holyoke the "bung-hole" of Massachusetts.To each, his own. Maybe I should have called it the suppurating pustule of MA. :rolleyes:

Personally, I like living in America. Feel sort of free to enjoy whatever the People's Communewealth of MA is supposed to be.


Thank you God for delivering me, your humble and unworthy servant, from that festering den of iniquity, the P.C.M.!

Amen

BTW, I was back in that pit a little over a week ago, so I know it isn't just old bad memories of the place. Lucky me, I have some brand new ones. :barf: :barf: :barf:

jmbg29
March 26, 2003, 01:33 PM
And one other thing.

You live in a Police State, and you are wary of the police? Wow! Go figure.

Kristofer
March 26, 2003, 01:58 PM
Personally, I like living in America. Feel sort of free to enjoy whatever the People's Communewealth of MA is supposed to be.

Sorry that you think Massachusetts is no longer part of America. Granted the liberals in this state have done alot of damage to our RKBA, but they are many more places much worse. Are you suggesting I should abandon the state instead of staying and trying change the what has been done?

You live in a Police State
No more than most other States.

JerryN
March 26, 2003, 02:00 PM
Holysmokes, MA is right next to that hole, Springfield. Both are havens for scumbags and gangs.

Its common for the small time drug dealers up here to drive to Springfield and environs to pick up merchandise. Springfield gangs have a colonial outpost in Rutland, VT.

NH is letting them build up in VT and then we're going to nuke em.

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