Gander Mtn. bulk .308


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mdbourin
August 28, 2005, 08:25 PM
Gander has some bulk ammo sold in small ammo cans marked Century Arms. It is made in India to Mil Specs. I have heard that ammo from India is not good. What is wrong with it, especially if it is made to Military Specs?

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Ben Shepherd
August 28, 2005, 08:36 PM
Stinks to high heaven. I bought some Indian 308-ONCE.

After having to go through it all and toss at least 1 in 20 rounds because the slug crushed the neck on one side, I actually shot some. My extreme spreads on my chrono strings were above 100 f.p.s., and 100 yard accuracy was lousy. It is also fairly dirty burning.

However- If you are just after cheap non-steel cased practice ammo, this may not be a bad choice. I have a 650 dillon, so I can make much better ammo for the same price, or I might would consider buying some again.

Black Majik
August 28, 2005, 08:45 PM
Stay away from Indian .308! :what: :barf:

m39fan
August 29, 2005, 10:13 AM
PLEASE remember that there's MILSPEC and there's MILSPEC. The US, NATO, and many Euro countries have much stricter tolerances. Then there's also the issue of storage. How has it been stored? Ammo likes to be kept clean, cool and dry. That doesn't sound like India! Keeping these things in mind may help you understand the following. There seem to be several lots/years of Indian ammo runing around. ALL of it's bad. A LOT of people have found , crumpled cases (see the poster above), cases with double powder charges or NO charges (primer blows the bullet into the bore where it happily resides UNTIL the next bullet comes along), and my personal favorite: cartridges that do the click-BOOM. Understand that the BOOM portion seems to happen right about the time you're ready to clear your weapon!!! :what: I used to think these only happened with their crappy .303 until I bought several boxes of their .308. Don't do it Bill!

The most popular thing to do with it for those who got stuck with mucho rounds is to use it for components or at the very least pull the bullets and refill with a known charge of good powder. Obviously, by the time you go through the hassel, it would have been cheaper to buy South African (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/copy_of__308.html) or Aussie Surplus.

IF you DO buy some, intentionally or otherwise, please shoot it in bolt action rifles. From what I have read on other boards, there have some catastrophic events with various semi autos that were attributed to Indian ammo. These reports may be factual, may not but why take a chance? At best you have dirty, stinky, inaccurate ammo. Come to think of it it kinda sounds like Wolf!!! :neener: :D :D

HTH,
Mike

Preacherman
August 29, 2005, 10:32 AM
Indian .308 ammo is notorious throughout the shooting-enthusiast community. Do searches on FALFiles and similar forums to see how many have had problems with it, up to and including blown-up guns! I'd advise buying literally any ammo other than Indian production.

Wasn't it Walt Rauch who famously commented "If I won't drink a country's water, I won't use their ammo"?

HankB
August 29, 2005, 11:59 AM
PLEASE remember that there's MILSPEC and there's MILSPEC. The US, NATO, and many Euro countries have much stricter tolerances. Consider that the Indian ammo that's being sold as surplus may have actually come on the market because it failed to meet India's own MILSPEC requirements. :uhoh:

I would NOT shoot any of this stuff in MY rifles even if it were given to me free!

DT Guy
August 29, 2005, 12:44 PM
Crushed necks, severe dents, foul-smelling when/if it DOES fire, and about a 30% partial or total failure rate. NEVER EVER use it again.

Larry

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