[CAS700850]

A buddy and I were talking last night about how this disaster is going to hit us. Some things we thought about:

1. Oil prices going up. Beyond the increasing price of gas, what about other petrolium based products? Many polymers are petrolium based. Can we expect an increase in the price of Glocks, Glock magazines, etc?

2. Many of the gun items are petrolium based. Gun oils, etc. Expect those prices to increase.

3. Ammo sales will likely jump. Anyone who watches the news will see the value of having more and more ammo around. Increased demand usually means decreased supply and increased prices.

4. Increased gun ownership. Nothing like the bright lights of reality to open someone's eyes. Kind of hard to question the private ownership of firearms when they are being used frequently to protect people from the evil hordes.

5. Short term difficulties for the antis. Not much they can use here to support their cause. If anything, what's going on will hurt efforts to restrict access to firearms for the law abiding citizens.


What else can you all see coming down the pipe?

[GT]

umm..

Oil prices down below $40 within a year
Cheaper gas because of suspension of bizarre EPA regs
Better prices and availability of guns because of a new found need (cf 9/11)

My glass is always half full.


G

[thereisnospoon]

I think your assesment of the anti's position is off track.

The true anti's will point to the roving bands of looters who have firearms and say

"See we told you we need to restrict personal ownership of firearms, because when catastorhic things happen (caused by the conservative's not ratifying the Kyoto treaty, BTW), people immeadiately resort to violence and firearms. It's not fair to those poor policemen and rescue workers in NO to have to worry about their safety when they are jus trying to help people. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH."

A true anti will NEVER, EVER under any circumstances suggest guns are needed in the hands of private citizens, and probably can not even fathom having a thought in that general direction.

AS to the other things you mentioned, I think manufacturers and retailers always pass price incresaes on to their customers, so we will probably face rising prices in many areas.

Ammunition supplies, especially surplus ammunition are fixed, but that doesn't mean we still won't see increased prices with increased demand...that's the nature of the beast.

[Greg L]

1. Oil prices going up. Beyond the increasing price of gas, what about other petrolium based products? Many polymers are petrolium based. Can we expect an increase in the price of Glocks, Glock magazines, etc?

I doubt if there will be that much of an increase in production costs per unit as even if it takes a gallon of gas to make one Glock (I have no idea) the cost per unit only went up $1 or so. That isn't to say however that the prices won't go way up for other reasons (distribution costs increasing, demand going up, minor profiteering, etc)

2. Many of the gun items are petrolium based. Gun oils, etc. Expect those prices to increase.

Again, in the quantities that we use personally I don't see the price going up that much per unit. I only use a few ounces of oil per year (way less than a pint) so even if it doubles it won't make me stop shooting because of lubrication costs.

3. Ammo sales will likely jump. Anyone who watches the news will see the value of having more and more ammo around. Increased demand usually means decreased supply and increased prices.

Classic supply/demand curve. I have no problems with this. Most shooters already have a supply of ammo on hand (I need to review my inventoy for any shortfalls but I don't expect much. I know if I had to bug out I could/would only take a small percentage with me). This will bring new gunowners into the fold with a defensive mindset rather than sporting.

4. Increased gun ownership. Nothing like the bright lights of reality to open someone's eyes. Kind of hard to question the private ownership of firearms when they are being used frequently to protect people from the evil hordes.

Agreed, see final comment in #3

5. Short term difficulties for the antis. Not much they can use here to support their cause. If anything, what's going on will hurt efforts to restrict access to firearms for the law abiding citizens.

As TINS mentioned, antis will spin this the way that they always do. "If there were no privately owned guns they couldn't shoot at helicopters". Our response to that is to point out that there were a bunch of police looting as well so guns in only .gov hands isn't a road to safety.

As far as what is coming, expect higher prices on everything that needs to be delivered by truck (most everything in other words). There have been stories on the news where truckers are just stopping as they are losing money by delivering their loads because of the fuel costs. There will be fuel surcharges for everything (or price increases to cover it).

(much later rereading of the thread made me realize that my fat fingers typed something that confused even me when I read it again - and I knew what I was trying to say :D . Thus the edit)

[zahc]

What's the Kyoto treaty?

[waterhouse]

4. Increased gun ownership. Nothing like the bright lights of reality to open someone's eyes. Kind of hard to question the private ownership of firearms when they are being used frequently to protect people from the evil hordes.

True. I've received a couple emails and calls from new customers in the past couple days, saying that they have never owned a gun but the hurrcane has made them realize that they should own one.

Whats even more amazing to me is that a friend called yesterday and said he was thinking about it. This is a friend that I've had the "gun debate" with for about the last 3 years. All of a sudden he seems to be thinking about switching sides. I'm actually shocked that he didn't go buy a gun from another dealer and just hide that fact from me.

[M-Rex]

I think your assesment of the anti's position is off track.

The true anti's will point to the roving bands of looters who have firearms and say

"See we told you we need to restrict personal ownership of firearms, because when catastorhic things happen (caused by the conservative's not ratifying the Kyoto treaty, BTW), people immeadiately resort to violence and firearms. It's not fair to those poor policemen and rescue workers in NO to have to worry about their safety when they are jus trying to help people. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH."

A true anti will NEVER, EVER under any circumstances suggest guns are needed in the hands of private citizens, and probably can not even fathom having a thought in that general direction.

AS to the other things you mentioned, I think manufacturers and retailers always pass price incresaes on to their customers, so we will probably face rising prices in many areas.

Ammunition supplies, especially surplus ammunition are fixed, but that doesn't mean we still won't see increased prices with increased demand...that's the nature of the beast.

thereisnospoon hit the proverbial nail right on the head.

+25 thereisnospoon

[CAS700850]

Okay, maybe the rabid anti's wont change their tunes, but as pointed out by Waterhouse, some of the borderline people will swing our way.

God points on the rest.

[thereisnospoon]

Sorry...I didn't mean to come across heavy and I apologize if I did. :o

Unfortunately, an anti is usually an anti right up until the time they have a need for a gun and then they become all for the right to keep and bear arms. :banghead:

You are correct that many people who are neither anti nor pro will see the obvious need for those in the NO area to defend thereselves and property. Unfortunately, it takes something this drastic to force many to "pick sides" :rolleyes:

[afasano]

All of the envior nuts with the brains of a snail darter are damn quiet.

[Waitone]

We've been in a deflationary economy for quite some time now. I think all business will welcome a little inflation. Count on business using our current situation as a excuse to raise prices.

[coonan357]

the cost of ammo should rise only slightly as part of the process of powder making is done with petroleum lights , (nitrocell is made with acid and the acid is not petrol based) , shooting clays might go up in price since they are made with asphalt but is often a low grade thats littterally given away , as for gun oils ,I bought bulk and should have enough that my heirs will probably use it a long time after I am gone ( plus what I have given away ) , as for the fence sitters I see a larger amount of come overs due to the media , but states with the soccer mommies in control try to pass more already there laws for control ( HINT ! Get out and Lobbie and VOTE !!!) and alot more people seeking PPD ( personal protection devices ) and realize that LE cannot do it alone .

[Standing Wolf]

A true anti will NEVER, EVER under any circumstances suggest guns are needed in the hands of private citizens, and probably can not even fathom having a thought in that general direction.

Unless, of course, the private citizen is a leftist extremist in need of special protection: that O'Donnell individual, for example, or the Hero of Chappaquiddick.

[Sleeping Dog]

Powder is petroleum-based? I wonder how many miles I can get on a gallon jug of Hodgdon 322? I bet it would be a helluva ride.

As for anti's viewing the NOLA happenings, they probably think that the situation would be a lot better if there were not gun shops or sporting goods stores with guns/ammo.

Maybe the governor should have given the gunshop owners a little more attention when it came to evacuating. Like leaning on them a little to pack their wares to store elsewhere. Some loot shouldn't be left behind. Where the "children" can get them.

Regards.

[sumpnz]

What's the Kyoto treaty? A garbage piece of an international treaty to cut (but not really) "greenhouse gas" emmisisons from industrialized nations. The "cut (but not really)" part is a function of allowing countries who are below the "targets" (1990 levels of emmissions) to sell credits based on how much below they are to nations that are over their allowance. So, for example, Russia already emits less CO2 and methane than they did in 1990, so they can make money by selling credits (even while polluting even more than they do now) to countries like India that can't otherwise meet the commitments anyway. In the end it was really designed as a way to harm the US ecomomy while proping up others that don't really deserve it under the guise of reducing global warming. Even the Kyoto backers now admit that at best the treaty will reduce the increase in global temps by 0.1C over the next decade.

[Larry Ashcraft]

Count on business using our current situation as a excuse to raise prices.
Actually, we have no choice. I'm in the trophy business, and your kid's little league trophy is virtually all plastic. Plastic parts reflect the cost of petroleum.

Freight has been climbing steadily for a year or so. That must be factored into prices also. A case of 5x7 plaques may cost me the same $30.00 as before, but the freight is another 50% added on to that.

[Sunray]

"...an anti is usually an anti right up until the time they have a need for a gun..." Yep. Although, even then, they seem to think it's alright for them, but not anyone else.
There was an Iraq vet on the news earlier today who said New Orleans is worse than Baghdad.