[lwsimon]

Looks like I'll be heading out to NO this weekend, with a communications contractor working for FEMA. I'll be essentailly grunt labor, but I was hired with the understanding that I must bring at least one gun with me. Of course, this is not in my job description! :)

So, what would you take? So far I've got an AR and a CZ-52 for my vehicle, and I'm probably going to buy an 870, marine edition if I can find one in town. I'll be working in the French Quarter first, restoring infrastructure, and after that is touch-and-go. I don't expect to be in a firefight, but I want to be prepared just in case. I have a limited budget, but that will change after two weeks there, once I recieve my first check. Then I'll probably blow it all on guns, which will probably be hugely expensive there.

So, I need a new handgun, something durable and reliable, and advise on a shotgun. I'm used to my CZ, I've put 10k or so rounds thru it without a jam, so I'm seriously considering using it as my primary sidearm. Its got the leather tanker holster that will keep it away from scratches, and if it gets damaged or confiscated, no big loss. If I get something new, I'm going ot have to put at least 250 or so roudns thru it before I feel comfortable carrying it. My AR is bone-stock, and I plan to keep it that way. The only thing I'm going to add is a neoprene sling so I can sling it over my back comfortably.

Finally, any general tips? I've never been in an area like this, but I'm looking forward to going. I've got an appointment set up with my doctor for the full "I'm going to Mexico and i'm going to drink the water" set of shots, and my employer is going to provide food/water. I'm bringing a five day supply for myself, just in case, in addition to everything else. I'm driving an SUV, so there's no room for gas tanks unless they're inside the vehicle, and I'm not so sure that is a good idea. Perhaps a trailer with a large farm tank on it? Lots of clothes, 2 sets of rain gear, and sleeping arrangements in my vehicle. Am I missing anything?

[Carlos]

Ok...? (Col O'Neal voice).

No disrespect, but sit down and think about it there cowboy. Yes, LA is gun friendly. But,

You post mentions nothing but arms arms arms

Whatcha planning on doing there?

[lwsimon]

This is an arms site... I already have the rest covered, I only wanted opinions on the guns part. :) I'll be laying ethernet cable mainly, and setting up routers.

[Carlos]

Good. Study extra hard about cables under water

The place ain't worth rebuilding. stupid to build underwater anyway.

Sorry, my opinion.

Good Luck.

Have Fun. Next time I'll be sensitive to what opinions you're looking for.

[lwsimon]

Wasn't trying to be an ass, i apologize. I agree the place isn't worth rebuilding, but I just got offered $30/hour, $50/hour overtime to essentially do what I love.

[Hawkmoon]

Personally, I would think long and hard before taking the long guns -- rifle or shotgun. You're not going as a security force, you're going as a cable installer. Self-defense, sure -- but who is going to guard your SUV with guns and food in it while you're inside working? You can't haul all that iron around while you're stringing cable and hooking up routers.

I think you're better off with your CZ, a lot of ammo, and a backup handgun. I'd go out any buy something inexpensive but reliable in the same caliber as the CZ -- maybe a Hi-Point, or something that it wouldn't break your heart (or your pocketbook) to see lost, stolen, or strayed. I respectfully suggest that under the conditions you outline, your long guns will be more of a target than a defense.

[Robert Hairless]

Handgun: Glock 17 or Glock 19.

Glocks right out of the box are reliable enough and accurate enough for those conditions. My own preference would be for the Glock 19 (the mid-size) instead of the Glock 17 because it's an inch less and easier to carry.

I don't consider 9mm the ideal round but it's likely to be the most readily available. The minimal recoil allows you to do hammers and doubletaps as needed. It also might be "tradeable" if your co-workers are similarly armed. I like cooperation in such situations. I'm half asleep so I'm reluctant to recommend ammunition beyond Winchester Ranger SXT, the kind marked "Law Enforcement, if you can find it.

I'd take some spare magazines already loaded (six plus one in the pistol is what I'd do) and I'd carry two of them in addition to the one in the pistol.

Shotgun: Remington 870

It works, it's effective, and it's 12 gauge. I'd see if your local WalMart has them in stock and get whatever it is they have. In the situation you describe I'd consider this shotgun merely a tool. The less expensive versions work just as well as the more expensive ones for your situation. Because it's likely to get tossed around a lot I wouldn't invest more than is needed in it.

I'd get either #00 buckshot (the traditional LEO load) or #1 buck, and I'd also get some slugs. I'd load the shotgun with a couple of buck followed by a slug and then buck again. I'd take a few boxes of each with me. If you can get a sidesaddle (more desirable) or an elastic gadget that carries spare shells, I'd put one of them on the shotgun and carry a mix of buck and slugs in it--say four buck and two slugs.

Essentials

Don't forget hearing protection. I'd use one of the electronic earmuffs and wear it at all times on the job. If you go that route be sure to take along several (a lot) of extra batteries. These things eat batteries, especially if you forget to turn them off. I'd also take along a bunch of the little sponge earplugs just in case.

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I understand that you're not going there to engage in gunfights, that you'll do everything possible to avoid such situations, but that you need to prepare realistically for a bad situation in which you might be attacked and need to defend yourself. Tonight's television reports on the situation are alarming: they reinforce the wisdom of being prepared for the worst. The worst is what appears to be happening in New Orleans, at least from those reports.

Good luck.

[lwsimon]

Looks like if I go, it will be with some modifications to my original plan. MY CZ-52 is my #1 gun, its accurate, I have plenty of ammo for it, I've practiced with it, and I'm not worried about it getting lost/stolen/destroyed. I'll pick up a Rem 870 at Walmart, and a dozen or so boxes of shells. Hell, I may get two in case I need to loan one to an officer down there - I hear they are under-gunned, and there's nothing wrong with a little good will with the emergency personnel. The AR stays at home, its too fancy and expensive, and would definately be a target.

I am taking the SG with me everywhere, I was told that long arms are OKAY as long as martial law is in effect. I've not confirmed this yet, but I'm told the FEMA paperwork will include exceptions for weaponry working under such conditions. I will make 100% sure I'm kosher though.

A Glock is really too expensive to take to be honest. My CZ is in 7.62 Tokarev, so I'm not going to be able to find another handgun in it's caliber. I may get a 9x18 conversion barrel for it and pick up a Makarov though. Only having to carry one caliber for both guns is a good thing.

[thorn726]

DONT even think about having gas cans inside your vehicle.
so many ways for that to go wrong.
no roof rack?

for the way things look down there, i dont blame you bringing plenty of guns, but yeah, dont bring more than you can keep an eye on.

[countertop]

I'd get a Ruger PC9 or PC 40 (http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?function=famid&famid=20) and a Ruger handgun that uses the same mags (or in the alternative, you might be able to find a PC9 or 40 that is fitted for Glock Mags - they used to make them, Idon't know if they still do)

Whatever you ultimately do, that combination should be perfect. You have a handgun for when they get real close to you and a very effective police carbine that uses your same mags (makes things easier) and is very effective out to about 75 yards.

Of course, this may be too expensive for you.

One caution though, I would recommend not brining your Makarov as finding ammo for it (in case you actually need to replenish) will be near impossible. Better to have something that is in a common caliber with most everyone else.

Also, I would forget bringing water. Its far easier and more effective to grab your self a back-country water filtration system like a Pur Katadyn (about $59, they can fit in a coat pocket).

[The_Antibubba]

As we have other interests here, too, I would recommend one of those half-face respirators and appropriate filters. The smell will be ferocious, and laden with things that could make you sick. At the very least, get the face masks with the ear loops, like surgeons wear, some have a thin charcoal layer, which will absorb some of the smell.

Don't attract unwanted attention. Stick to the CZ, and keep it hidden but ready. The round is relatively light, and these things take abuse well (Too bad you don't have a Makarov:D ) You don't have the time to learn a new weapon system anyway. If you do get shot at, returning fire with a pistol will probably encourage to look for easier pickings, and you might need the other hand for a critical task.

If you're going to take stuff to hand out to locals (which could help you some gratitude and less harassment, take a supply of those little bottles of iodine-based water purifying tablets. Packets of gatorade mix. Solid fuel for cooking, maybe (You know those Esbit fuel tabs? Go to the store and pick up a few trays of those grill starting cubes-they're pretty much the same thing, but a lot cheaper. Candy and cheap whistles for the kids. and a car charger and extra battery for your cell phone-people will want you to call loved ones for them. Feminine hygiene products will be popular and scarce, and take up less space than diapers.

[spin180]

You may already have it covered, but I'll mention this just in case...

Extra firing pins for the CZ52. It's been my experience that they'll break at the most inopportune time.

;)

[lwsimon]

Okay, here goes:

Gas cans: Yes, I have a roof rack, but I don't want the extra attention running around with cans on top of my car would bring. I know better than to put them inside the vehicle, especially on carpet - fumes, static electricity, heat, all bad things.

Ruger carbine: Good idea, but too expensive

Trade items: Water purification tablets are an excellent idea, I can carry loads of those in little space. Feminine hygene - A few wouldn't hurt, they are light, and I know sanitary napkins make a good wound dressing. I have a coleman dual fuel camp stove I'm bringing, and 5 cans of fuel. I can run it on unleaded if need be. Extra shotgun is high on my list, but rather expensive. First thing I'll buy if I have anything left. Gatorade mix is a good idea as well. Beef jerky? Canned goods, with openners. Candy. Ammunition in common calibers? A couple boxes of .45ACP and 9mm could surely come to good use.

Cell Phone: I have one, but it will be off most of the trip, and hidden. I will deny having it if asked. Besides, I understand cell towers are down and its VERY hard to get through in the NO area. My employer will be providing satellite phones once per day to call family. Car charger is a must.


Other things I've thought of: Power inverter, batteries, empty bottles?

Still brainstorming, will report in in a couple hours.

[edave]

Best of luck to you, and stay safe.

With regards to water, I personally would take an ample personal supply of good, clean bottled water, even if my employer was supposed to supply me with water. There's nothing like clean drinking water when you're working in oppressive heat and humidity.

My backup would be a backpacking filtration system and water purification tablets, but remember that the water on the ground is contaminated with raw sewage, dead animals and dead people who have been dead for days, toxic chemicals from houses and industrial businesses, gasoline and oil seeping from vehicles and submerged gas stations, etc. No filtration system or water purification tablet will deal with all of that, and certainly not for extended volumes, and the filtration / purification process can take a lot of time.

Some disposable masks sandwiched between some car air fresheners (the kind you hang from the rearview mirror) will help deal with the stench of rotting flesh and sewage if you have to work near such items.

A good 12 ga. shotgun is like the Leatherman multitool of firearms -- so versatile. I would take Slugs and 00 buck. I like the AR-15 for its higher capacity and longer reach-out-and-touch capability, so that's a tough choice between the 12 ga. and the AR. I guess you have to figure out the ranges and numbers of threats you are likely to encounter.

For me, my sidearm would likely be a mid-size Glock, simply because it's what I carry, it's utterly reliable, and I shoot it well. My advice would be to carry a handgun you've trained with, shoot well, and you know works reliably.

Good luck.

[BigBink]

If I were in your shoes, I would forego the shotgun. You can't work with your hands and carry a shotgun at the same time. The only way that is going to work is if the workers have a guard.

A used .357 would better serve your needs. A used Glock better yet. One thing you seem to be forgetting or at least didn't mention is a holster. You need to carry your gun 24/7 and have the ability to carry it concealed. For that you need a decent holster and gun belt. The cheapest, off the rack, gun belt out there is a "Wilderness" belt. About $40. Holster price would depend more on the gun.

Once you get paid, you can pick up a better gun. If your from out of state, it seems like it would be a lot easier to pick up a shotgun than to upgrade your handgun.

[c_yeager]

Silly question: Where are you going to put all of the long-guns when you are working? It would seem that storing weapons in a vehicle in the current situation in NO would be a really bad idea. Personally i would go with *one* pistol and a a couple of magazines.

[nhhillbilly]

I would get some body armor and wear it. You have nothing for stopping incoming rounds. You can purchase body armor for less then a rifle.

[c_yeager]

I would get some body armor and wear it. You have nothing for stopping incoming rounds. You can purchase body armor for less then a rifle.

Not a bad idea. However he needs it today, and finding a properly fitting vest IN STOCK at any retailor is going to be a tall order and will probably cost a *lot* more than a rifle.

[280PLUS]

A couple jars of vicks. If the smell gets too horrific, which it probably will, you can pack your nostrils with vicks and it will help. Have you thought about water purifiers, purification tablets? Go to your local military surplus and get some MREs and pack them away for emergency, wound dressings, etc. have a couple knives, spares are good. Buy a cheap .38 or .357 as a backup to your cz. I'd probably forget the long guns, as someone else has said they'll end up being a source of something else to worry about for you. Get yourself a map of the area on the way in and bring a compass. It could help you in a pinch.

How soon are you bugging out? I have an older safariland IIIA that just hangs in the closet. If you have a few days I can overnight it to you. The only thing I ask is you return it when you no longer need it. You can find them on EBAY too but I'm betting you have no time for that.

Good luck to you.

I notice someone else mentiones water purification. Yes, nothing will work on the flood water so don't even try it but you may be able to find other sources if it becomes necessary. For example,water still in sealed heating systems is one. It may be black and rusty but it will purify. Bring lots of extra filters.

Latex gloves, a lot. It would lessen your chances of illness. The place is a gigantic cesspool.

[ezypikns]

NO was one of the greatest cities in the country. Great food, great imes, and a lot of history. Been there quite a few times. Thanks for trying to put it back together. It's always been a little dangerous, but now the animals are out of the cages. Be very careful and very discreet. You do not want any trouble with whatever law is left, and remember, if they declare martial law, that's another set of rules entirely. Having said all that, how about a nice lightweight S&W or Taurus pocket size revolver in an intimidating caliber?

[Moondoggie]

I second the Vick's...the smell of dead things will knock your socks off. I've been to the French Quarter many times, and it had a 3rd World aroma on it's best of days BEFORE Katrina.

Speaking of socks....take lots and lots, and at least one extra pair of good work boots. Wet feet for extended periods is bad juju. Also, changing-out socks/boots at midday is an unbelievable pick-me-up. Laundry facilities will probably be nonexistent for some time to come, so plenty of clean clothes will be essential. I'd also take some towels, you may be using the "Field expedient" method of bathing for quite some time. The weather down there will be hot/humid for another month or so. I'd also pack some liquid laundry soap as you may very well find it necessary to hand wash your clothes...don't forget clothes pins and some rope.

Lots of insect repellant!!!!!

I would keep a small bug out bag seprate from my other gear and handy in case you need to evac on foot in a hurry...fire, more flood, more riots.

I'd also strongly recommend a mousegun...I could easily see you suddenly confronted by thugs inside your workspace since you'll normally be concentrating on tasks at hand. I'd give some thought to the LE mindset down there. If you find it necessary to use deadly force in a clearcut threat situation I wouldn't worry too much about overzealous prosecution. NOPD is notorious for it's attitude of "BFD, dipstick had it coming, have a nice day sir." before the rampaging hoardes.....I'm pretty sure it's much more of an open season situation now, not that I'm advocating a wild west mentality.

If you do go, stay alert to stay safe!

[m39fan]

+1 on the Vicks. I've worked a lot of scenes that would give most people nightmares. They had one thing in common - STENCH. Be sure and run by a local drugstore before you leave and pick up a few of the small pocket size tins of Vicks. Put one in you pocket as soon as you leave and keep it there. You may find that you need it unexpectedly and can't run back to the truck for the "family size".

As to weapons, your CZ should be more than up to the job and coming from an LEO background, I'll say it so no one else has to risk being labelled "anti-LEO", let me say that the 7.62x25 may come in handy if you find you're having to defend against former "officers" :barf: still wearing *certain* parts of their duty gear. 'Nuff said. If you have time (& cash) enough place an order with George at Makarov.com for a couple of boxes of FMJ and a couple of boxes of JHP. Extra mags would be good and at the very least a replacement factory firing pin. Aftermarket would be better if they're not out. These can be found in the ammo and CZ-52 sections of the web page respectively. If you're in W. Va you can pick it up rather than have it shipped. Also, if you don't already have one buy (and use) a lanyard. That'll prevent your pistol from taking unauthorized trips without you at the most inopportune time.

Body armor wouldn't be a bad idea but you won't be able to work in anything that would give rifle class protection. A level II or IIIA is often bulky enough. If you're in Indiana, drop me a line re: where to pick some up on the cheap.

Other than that water, water, water!

Be Careful,
Mike

[bogie]

More guns = more crap to carry, more crap to watch, more crap to get stolen. You've got enough for your protection, and that of a few others. Bank the $$.

BTW, you're not being paid enough.

[MikeIsaj]

finding a properly fitting vest IN STOCK at any retailor is going to be a tall order and will probably cost a *lot* more than a rifle. www.galls.com, large inventory in-stock, reasonable price for level IIA vests and they will ship overnight.

While your at the galls site, look at boots. I'd get at least two pair. they won't last long in the damp environment. And plenty of socks. If I learned nothing else in the Marines it is to keep your feet dry.

Weapon; I'd go with a used .357 revolver or sig auto. Get something you won't miss if it's lost. Don't forget a good retention holster, nylon, not leather. Nylon can be sanitized. And lots and lots of cleaning supplies. You are going to be cleaning it daily.

About 50 gallons of hand sanitizer would be good too.

Good luck and be careful. Coming home is your first priority.

[hso]

This triggers questions.

Is true martial law declared by the state or federal government?

If it is then are you even allowed to carry weapons?

If you are allowed to carry weapons then your first priority should be to carry something that is very reliable for personal protection. If your CZ 52 has proven itself to work flawlessly even when dirty then you should carry it and 2 extra magazines and a couple of boxes of ammunition. If it has had any hiccups at all in the past then you should put your money into a Glock. If it takes your entire arms budget to do this it should be your priority. As has been pointed out a long gun can't be used while you work. Unless your prospective employer intends for the employees to stand rotating guard and doesn't intend to provide the shotguns then your money is best spent on the handgun.

BTW most of the what else to bring discussions are being carried out here at StatTac if you're interested.

[ArnisAndyz]

Gas Mask
Chemical Suit
Gloves
Good Boots
A Tactical sling for your AR that will let you carry at the ready while leaving your hands free to work.http://www.spectergear.com/carryoptions.htm

And bring a friend (or a dog) that can watch your back while you work.

[Dave Markowitz]

Gun-wise:

Since you have significant experience with your CZ-52 and it's proven reliable, that's what I'd recommend taking. Familiarity and reliability are force multipliers. I concur with the previous poster about getting a spare firing pin or two. If you can afford it, pick up a second CZ-52 as a backup gun, in case the first gets confiscated or goes completely tango uniform. Have a minimum of three tried and tested magazines per gun. More would be better.

If for some reason you don't feel comfortable with the CZ-52, or want something that takes ammo that's easier to find, check out the Ruger P-95. They aren't as "cool" as Glocks or SIGs, but Rugers are one of the very few guns I'd not worry too much with if I had to trust my life to it straight from the box. They go for under $300 used, about $400 new, are rugged and AK-reliable.

Between the pistol and shotgun, you're covered for defensive firepower. Realistically, you're not running search and destroy ops, and you can't effectively employ more than one at a time.

The Otis "Tactical" cleaning kits are excellent for field maintenance. They are light, compact, and will take care of both your pistol and shotgun. They come with Otis CLP but I have no idea how good it is, so you might want to throw a bottle of BreakFree CLP in your gear. I've also had excellent results with plain old Castrol automatic transmission fluid as a CLP. Bring extra cleaning patches.

Stow spare ammo and cleaning supplies in .50 caliber ammo cans. They are rugged, cheap, and water tight.

Some Other items:

* Comprehensive first aid kit and the knowledge how to use what it contains.
* Water filter + canteens/Nalgene bottles/hydration system.
* Water. At least a 5 gallon jug, preferably a couple if you can fit them in your truck.
* A couple cases of MREs.
* One of those milsurp mess kits with a small stove. This way you don't have to depend on someone else supplying clean eating utensils.
* Case of unscented baby wipes. Great for quick clean ups.
* Plenty of toothpaste and soap.
* Flashlights and plenty of batteries.
* Light sticks.
* Flare pistol and flares would be good for attacting attention.
* Pack a subset of all your stuff into a comfortable backpack in case you need to hoof it out.
* FRS/GMRS radios and/or CB.
* Police/fire scanner.
* NOAA Weather radio (often incorporated into scanner or CB).

Don't forget, too, that hurricane season isn't over until mid-October!

Stay safe, make a lot of dough, and have fun.

[lwsimon]

Thanks for all the replies guys!

I'm taking my CZ-52, and I found another one I'm going to buy at a pawn shop. I have 5 tested magazines for it already, and 2 more coming with the new gun. I have 1k rounds of S&B 7.62 Tok, DONATED to me by a local gun store when I told them why I wanted so much. They have my business for quite some time! I'm ordering another 10 boxes of JHP from makarov.com, hoping it actually arrives, I've had trouble with them in the past. I have a stainless firing pin for my CZ, and I'll take the still good factory pin as backup. I have a cheap-o nylon holster with a clip, also from makarov.com, that I can use as an IWB holster. It prints a bit, but I wear patterned shirts, and I doubt anyone will care down there anyhow.

I'm brining large cases of walmart drinking water. My employer is *supposed* to have clean food and water available, so I can refill the bottles from their supply. If something happens, that should be enough water to get me out of NO.

I dug up a hiking backpack as well. I'm not going to be taking my vehicle into NO, it will be left in SW Alabama, and all my stuff is being loaded into a company truck. If for some reason I have to walk out of NO, I want to have at least food, water, and some ammo.

Thanks for all the tips guys! Keep 'em coming, I'll be checking this thread until the moment I leave, should be Saturday morning.

[ChevellRCR]

Where are you from and does your employer need anyone else?

[Sistema1927]

In addition to everything listed so far, make sure that all of your immunizations are up to date. It wouldn't be a bad idea to make a visit to the doc and have him give you all the shots he would give you if you were headed to the most remote backwater on the planet.

There are going to all kinds of nasty diseases to avoid.

[ChevellRCR]

I would go with the two CZ-52 pistols. I hope the extra ammo gets to you in time. I wouldnt take a rifle but if you wanted one I would probably take a $100 sks. They will run forever and ammo is cheap. Also no huge loss if the rifle is stolen. I do the same work as you but work for SSA. I am interested in helping out and doing something like you are. I have a CDL and may be bringing a load of light poles down next weekend if my buddy has an extra eighteen wheeler not already going.

[Dirty Bob]

I suggest that you get a map of NOLA and carry it with you in a ziploc bag. If, heaven forbid, things get even worse and ya'll have to bug out, you don't want to get lost. You may also want the map for figuring out alternative routes around blocked/flooded areas.

I think that two CZs should be all the guns you'll need. A long gun would get in the way while you're working, and it might draw unwanted attention from cops and/or military personnel.

I strongly echo all the suggestions on health/hygiene stuff, including boots and socks. I'd take plenty of anti-diarrhea medication along if you haven't already grabbed some. Staying clean and healthy is a top priority in an environment like NOLA.

Best wishes and godspeed,
Dirty Bob

[lvl1trauma]

I would leave long guns out as you will have to leave them unattended while working. Keep the mindset that your vehicle will be broken into. Take something you can keep on you. I would take a good revolver as empties aren't left everywhere if you have to shoot on the run :o . I would also take at least a level 2 vest along with 200-300 rounds of ammo. Get a good knife or two along with a surefire and 6-cell maglight. Lots of extra batteries for both. Don't tell anyone the resources that you brought with you because you are in a desperate area. Think survival and self-sustainability. Turn your head when you least expect it and you will be robbed blind. Keep in mind that the availability of gas is nill for several hundred miles out from NO.

[MillCreek]

I realize that time and cost are major factors. In a handgun, I would go for a stainless S&W 640, 642 or 638 or a stainless Taurus 850, 650 or 651. I am thinking that for your use, easy pocketability, corrosion resistance and high reliability are priorities. But of course, your opinion as the end user is the only one that matters.

[Andrew Rothman]

I just got offered $30/hour, $50/hour overtime to essentially do what I love.
BTW, you're not being paid enough.

You are certainly not being paid enough to do this stuff on dry ground, let alone in a war zone.

But best of luck and watch your six!

[MudPuppy]

Maybe take cigarettes as barter items.

If you got the room check with a local church to see if they've got items to send, diapers/baby formula/anything.

Stay safe.

[Aikibiker]

Make sure you take a good flashlight or three. A 1 watt LED would be best. I love my Streamlight TL-2 LED, but walmart has an all metal 1 watt LED light by garrity for about $20 that will do in a pinch, though it is far from ideal. Make sure you get something with a pocket clip on it and keep it at all times. A supply of batteries is obvious.

How do you get a job like this? Do you call FEMA? There is nothing on their website. Do you have to find a company that is going to LA under a FEMA contract and ask them for a job?

I am out of work at the moment. I have a Corrections Officer certification in FL, one years experience as a Corrections Officer, an FL CCW, a valid FL drivers license with motorcycle endorsement, a bachelors degree in criminal justice, know how to drive a manual tranmission I have a strong back, a young pair of legs, and an old pickup truck in decent mechanical condition. I have done some storm leanup before. Who in Fl hasn't?

[lwsimon]

I have a Surefire 6P and a case of batteries for it, I'll be taking. I've even got the little pack that goes on your belt that holds spare bulbs/batteries.

I got the job by asking on IRC of all places. Its with a communications company working under the authority of FEMA. I'm still waiting for the go-ahead, but I spoke with the company owner over the telephone, and he said he'd love to take me, its just a matter of getting paperwork together. I put in an application with FEMA, haven't heard a peep from them.

[Aikibiker]

Sounds like you have the taclight covered. I'll bet you can trade extra CR123 batteries once you are there. Do you have spare bulbs?

I will have to get on IRC and check it out. From what I am seeing it looks like FEMA got caught flatfooted on this one. I think they used the flooding of New Orleans after a category 5 hurricane as a worst case scenario so much they forgot it could be more then a scenario to trot out in front of congress during budget hearings.

[LynnMassGuy]

The ATF is headed down there. Be careful what you flaunt.

[lwsimon]

I don't have anything illegal, just stock stuff. ATF shouldn't have anything to do with me.

[Malamute]

I would second several things that have been mentioned, and add a couple. First would be the hand sanitizer. small sample size bottles that you can have in your pocket all the time, LOTS of them, or a few small ones and a large pump refill may make a big difference in your health.

A true pocket size pistol, a 5 shooter smith airweight, would be my first choice, as it truly fits in the pocket, and nobody thinks much of it when you stand around with your hands in your pockets. Carhartt work pants are tough, have lots of pockets, and guns fit in the pockets well. I remove the hammer loop first thing, they are a hazard. Your guns may be fine, but if it becomes impossible to carry a larger gun, through circumstances or decree, the pocket gun could save the day.

A vest will be HOT, and it's going to be extremely hot anyway.

A small sink type plunger, or a new, regular toilet plunger, works well to wash your clothes. It can be done in a sink or tub with the liquid laundry detergent. Makes fast work of hand washing.

Plenty of socks, good camping/hiking type. and athletes foot/crotch powder. a couple bottles. The powder may last longer than the sprays for the size and bulk.

The water filter might be a good idea, tho a gallon or so worth of smaller bottles held back and not used unless truly needed might do.

Guess a lot depends on how much you are allowed to take in the company truck. I'd have your regular pack with essentials in it, and never let it out of your sight when going in, and a duffle with the rest, or a couple duffles. Good to split the load if more than one bag, in case one gets lost/stolen all of something won't be gone.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes when you get a chance.


Thought of a couple of other things. More batteries for the good flashlight. a couple of boxes more, and a sure-fire "spares carrier" with extra batts and a spare lamp in it.

A dog tie-out cable (the coated wire cable with crimped in loops) and a couple small padlocks. Can be used to lock your gear down so it doesnt walk off, either in a vehicle, or in your place you stay, or on the job site. The extra small padlocks can lock your duffles closed too, to reduce chances of pilfering.

The pepper is a good idea too. Could save a lot of trouble.

[asteffes]

Don't forget a 2 or 4 oz. OC.

[ctdonath]

"A pistol lets you fight your way back to the rifle you never should have left."

I wouldn't enter such an area WITHOUT a rifle. Sling it, set it nearby, never let it out of arms reach in a hostile area. In contrast with those saying "don't take a long gun", I say don't go if you're not taking one. Have a duplicate in the trunk (which is of course loaded with survival gear, right?).

AR15 & Glock 17/19 lets you share with what you're most likely to come across. Reliability & compatability are critical.

[Dirty Bob]

I mentioned this to my wife, and she suggested several bandanas. They're good for lots of things, from a headband to keep sweat out of your eyes, to neck/ear protection (worn under a hat) from the sun, to an emergency bandage or sling. They're cheap in places like Wal Mart.

A couple of long-sleeved t-shirts might help if you're in the sun a lot. Wash them at least 5-10 times -- with detergent -- before taking. A recent study found the brighteners in the laundry detergents raise the sunscreen qualities of clothing dramatically!

Did someone mention having both work gloves and rubber or latex gloves?

Take care,
Dirty Bob

[El Rojo]

I don't know about any of you, but I sure has hell wouldn't go down there without a rifle. Period. End of discussion. I don't care how much of a pain in the butt it is, I would have it on me at all times. If the cops come over and ask, you tell them you are working for FEMA and you are ensuring your safety. What are they going to do about it? You are solving the situation, not being a problem. And if I were a person out looking for an easy mark, a guy running CAT-5 with an AR over his shoulder would not enter my "easy mark" classification, but my "no thanks" classification. Heck, tell your company to hire one of your friends for $20 an hour to stand around with your AR while you techies work. Or have the techies pitch in $5 each and take someone with you.

The CZ is a no brainer, it goes. I say forget spending the money on an 870, take the AR with you. I live in the PRK, so I wouldn't have an AR with me. I would however have at least my M1 Carbine if not my M1, M1A, or SKS. If the cops come around and make a big deal, put it in your car, keep the CZ concealed. When they leave, bring it back out. This isn't LA as in Los Angeles, everyone knows the score down there right now. Go armed, and go well armed. Good luck and enjoy the pay!

That brings up a good point. Buy an SKS and take it with you. If it gets confiscated, you are out $200. It is probably too late now. Again good luck and be safe.

[Farnham]

I worked as a computer geek/network guy/generator tech/bottle washer over in the Sandbox for a few months, and didn't carry anything more deadly than my Ka-Bar. Of course, I was surrounded by a few thousand Marines, but all that aside...

Get a comfortable holster, you've already got the reliable pistol, and don't EVER TAKE IT OFF. When I was the Marine (before I became the geek), I never went anywhere without my rifle, and got surprisingly used to it. Now, I'm used to my Glock 26, and don't leave home without it. You won't get caught flat-footed if you ALWAYS have that piece on. You don't need a shotgun, an AR, or a FAC-A. You need to keep people 21 feet away.

If you need to worry about "sho ip int 4/3" and "tap rack bang" all at once, you might oughtta consider bagging the laptop and heading for Texas, brother. Seriously, if the neighborhood is that bad, you shouldn't be there.

S/F

Farnham

[cpileri]

New Orleans relief: gear for going back into New Orleans area, adult
-purpose: short term search, recon,
-duration: 1-4 days
-obstacles: lack of resupply, hostile residents
-all items should be in waterproof bags/packageing, if possible


I. Worn clothing
II. Water
III. Food
IV. Rx
V. Hygiene
VI. Elements
VII. Environment
VIII. Light
IX. Fire
X. Signal
XI. Tools
XII. Protection
XIII. Options, extras, barterable


I. Worn items: (*): also worn will be protective vest and carried gear,etc. covered in detail in other categories
head: brimmed hat
Eyes: Sunglasses at minimum, protective sunglasses better
Ears:
Chest/arms: heatgear undershirt, long sleeve blouse, (*)
Hands: indiglo watch, gloves (latex for search), protective for clearing debris
Back: Backpack (*) with hydration system
Belt: holster, sheath, carry pouches(*)
Legs: Long pants (BDU’s, jeans), optional waterproof waders (heavy to carry if not used)
Feet: combination of protective boot and waterproof feature (i.e. either socks with waterproof boots; or Sealskin watersocks with other boot), exchange laces for 550 paracord

II. Water
Canteen or bottle with filter top, full with added Purifying tab
Extra filter
Purification tabs
Hydration system of backpack full, with added pur-tab

III. Food
Sealed, non-perishable (Met-Rx bars, others)

IV. Rx
Personal meds, Alcohol based hand sanitizer (large supply- conserve water for drinking), sanitary wipes (large amt), gauze, silk tape, antibiotic wound dressing (Neosporin), IMPPORTANT read guidance .pdf for recommended vaccinations and antibiotics (influenza, and likelihood of sewage contaminated wounds requiring high-dose penicillin, metronidazole), anti-diarrheal (morphine or codeine can serve as both anti-diarrheal and analgesic, otherwise add analgesic of choice to anti-diarrheal), feminine products if applicable

V. Hygeine
Toothbrush (gauze can substitute), toothpaste, bar soap, (sanitary wipes can serve as bathroom tissue)

VI. Elements
Sunscreen, insect repellant (esp to cover mosquitoes and fleas), insect netting for sleeping

VII. Environment (stench)
Full-face mask with filter (best); surgical mask with Vicks Vap-o-rub otherwise

VIII. Light
LEDs (small personal at minimum), batteries, headlamp for use when both hands occupied

IX. Fire
Waterproof strike anywhere matches in sealed container, Zippo lighter, Magnesium striker set with tinder

X. Signal
Cellular phones (unreliable at present), 2-way radios, extra batteries, detailed street map of New Orleans and surrounding areas with passable and impassable routes marked, pencils

XI. Tools
Knife (fixed blade), multi-tool, saw (folding), others: crowbar, axe, shovel

XII. Protection
Passive: remain aware, rotating watch; protective vest
Active: Rifle or Shotgun; handgun (all should be polymer or stainless to avoid rust), ammunition; pepper spray (potential use for animals)

XIII. Optional, extras, barterables
Extra socks, underwear, water, food, etc as space permits. Remember anything left in a vehicle is a target for theft.

[StephenT]

Hey Lwsimon, I'm job hunting right now and wouldn't mind working in NO for a few weeks. I was a network admin before going to business school. I've also worked on infrastructure projects, and yes, I can bring my own gun. :D If you have any leads for jobs in NO, could you please PM me? Thanks!

[Sunray]

You need to get any directive that says bring a firearm in writing. LA. law says you need a permit to carry a handgun, but not for a long gun. If FEMA refuses to put it in writing, don't take anything, but a long gun.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=LA
FEMA can't change State law. CYA.
Mind you, if you get the written directive, use your CZ. Manual labour with a rifle slung over your back and a couple of mag pouches on your belt is a pain.

[Drue]

Beware of pick pockets and loose women.



Sorry, I had to say it.

Drue

[ny_vin18]

If u are worried about what kinda guns to bring to No. First u deffinetly need a handgun or possibly two, A large to medium sized 9mm or .45 is nice enough. If u think at all ull be shooting at civilians at long to semi long distances i would bring maybe a ruger mini-14, or if you dont want that a mid-length ar15. And remember bring lots of ammo. BUT u really shouldnt be worrying to much about firearms other contractors and the army will have bigger and better onces. I would worry more about where you are gunna be getting fresh water, it sure wont be comeing from the local survivors fosits cause theirs are all filled with palluted water. so bring as much bottled water as you can. and maybe a medium sized medical kit with all the works. i think thats somewhat all u may need.the guys working their im sure will have extra stuff u may need to stay healthy clean and safe from the madi gra insurgents lol jk its just ur makeing it seem like ur going to baghdad. but truely from my heart i know its no cake walk and it is dangerouse. be safe and godbless.

vinnie