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Jesse H
March 26, 2003, 12:19 PM
Not an airsoft, but a good old fashioned BB rifle that shoots metal pellets. Don't know a darn thing about them, what to look for, or where to buy. Any pointers?

Living in the city, this is my only means of legal backyard plinking.

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ball3006
March 26, 2003, 01:44 PM
Red Ryder BB gun as deplicted in the movie A Christmas Story. I believe they are somewhere in the 20 dollar range....chris3

Penman
March 26, 2003, 02:00 PM
"You'll put your eye out!" :D

The Red Ryder would be a fun choice, if Daisy still makes their pump model, that's a little faster for repeat shots when chasing strays out of your yard.

jrhines
March 26, 2003, 02:19 PM
You might check ouy Airgun Express on the web. If you want to do precision paper punching, get a single shot .177 dual piston. The standard 10 meter target has an X "ring" the size of the period at the end of this sentence. And you can get as spiffy as you want, a top of the line competition gun will run you a kilobuck plus.

Steel
March 26, 2003, 02:22 PM
my dad still owns the pump-up Benjamin my brother used 30 someting years ago. It is well made, powerful, and a tack-driver. He has killed many a squirrel with it.

If they are still as thoughtfully made, I would recommend the brand

cratz2
March 26, 2003, 02:34 PM
I have a few BB guns and pellet guns. For a reasonable price, the Daisy 880 would probably be my suggestion. No idea what they go for now but I bought one in about 1992 for about $40.

I also have an 856 that I got from a mother that didn't want her kid having a BB gun. I'f shot it a few times but really don't think a whole lot of it. I'd think most gun owners would rather have the 880 than the 856 if looking in this price range.

If you're looking the the over-$100 price range, can't help you. I've shot many but none long enough to make a solid impression. I generally like the heavier, full-size stock.

scottgun
March 26, 2003, 02:35 PM
You can go really elaborate and get .22 or 9mm calibers that shoot over 1000 fps, they can run up to sixhundred bucks
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jhtml?id=cat20742&navAction=push&navCount=3&parentId=cat20742&parentType=category&rid=

Standard bb caliber is .177, and probably the best bet for casual plinking, because they are cheaper and more widely available. Most models, you can fill the resevior with bb's or single load pellets. The Daisy 10 pump is a reasonably priced model, probably available at Wallyworld. Both Daisy and Crosmans are made in USA.

I wore out my Daisy 10 pump as a kid. My father ended buying a new one for himself for backyard squirrel control.

Zundfolge
March 26, 2003, 02:40 PM
Living in the city, this is my only means of legal backyard plinking.
Double check with the local constabulary ... here in Colorado Springs, shooting a BB gun in the city limits is just as against the law as shooting a real gun. :(

SquirrelNuts
March 26, 2003, 02:56 PM
I have a Daisy Powerline 860. It will shoot BB's and pellets and it is VERY accurate. I got it as a birthday present when I was ten, so that model is probably not made any more. It was a twenty pump model that was pumped with the fore-end. Great gun, and I could hit anything with it as a kid-including two windows. I still hear about that.

It is possible to spend over $1K on an air rifle. A man I used to work for has one that was over $1K. I am not sure who made it though. We would always harass him about his thousand dollar Red Ryder.

I have had the most fun with a simple Red Ryder $30 job from Wally-World though. It belongs to my best friend and we shoot in his backyard along with Colibri .22's.

From what I have read, Gamo and Beeman are good guns to look at for not so much cash. Daisy always works great too. I would not spend more than $100 on the rifle itself unless you want to get more serious than plinking and paper punching for fun. You should probably be able to get away with a rifle and scope (unless you prefer open sights like me) for under $100.

-SquirrelNuts

Stevie-Ray
March 26, 2003, 02:58 PM
I still shoot my Sheridan 5mm pneumatic I've had for 34 years, and it's still extremely accurate. Nowadays, if I was looking for a high-quality pellet or BB rifle, I'd probably go with an RWS Diana side-cocker. 1100 fps from a .177 cal pellet. Pricey, but a far cry from 1k.

sm
March 26, 2003, 03:21 PM
Daisey Red Rider
Finally, years ago at age 36 I bought myself one. Fun, cheap, and well , a must have. Had it going on 12 years now, I still enjoy it.

RWS a friend has is nice, has a bit of "kick", accurate and a bunch more powerful, more expensive though.

wine9er
March 26, 2003, 04:32 PM
Add bb pistol recommendations to the discussion....Anyone know source of competitive specs for any of the contempory bb pitol/rifle manufacturers?

Snowdog
March 26, 2003, 07:36 PM
the Daisy 880 would probably be my suggestion

That's the pellet rifle I started out on, back when they used metal for the receiver, pump lever, etc. I've had many pellet rifles since then, but none as accurate and fun to shoot.
I've handled a 880 within the year and was disgusted at the amount of plastic they now use. I also don't care for the fiber optic front sight.
Sportmans Guide recently had some 880 refubs that were identical to mine, with metal receiver and all. That's where I would check first if the 880 fits the bill.

444
March 26, 2003, 08:14 PM
I bought this course and their BB gun. It is a Chinese copy of a Daisy but it is a little bigger; more adult size.

http://www.shootwhereyoulook.com/

makdaddy03
March 26, 2003, 08:33 PM
Crossman.

Blackhawk
March 26, 2003, 10:33 PM
I bought this course and their BB gun. It is a Chinese copy of a Daisy but it is a little bigger; more adult size.
Interesting, 444. What did you think of the course and BB gun?

rageman
March 26, 2003, 10:42 PM
I like the setup of a Gamo Delta (about $70-80 at sports authority or local outdoor shop) plus a $10 cheap scope (I think I had a Tasco or somesuch at some point, it might have been this one http://www.tasco.com/riflescopes/rimfire_rf4x15d.shtml) is awesome for plinking. The delta shoots lead pellets at around 550 fps, and is fun for plinking at cans/rotten fruit/army men/etc.

Jesse H
March 26, 2003, 10:48 PM
Thanks for all the tips folks. I'll report back whenever I acquire my new toy. The pooping pigeons will pay. :D

redneck
March 26, 2003, 10:52 PM
For an actual BB gun, go for a pneumatic either from the daisy powerline or one of crosmans higher end guns. They're accurate and reliable. They're mostly plastic, but they work.

For a higher end pellet rifle, I'm very happy with my Gamo 220 hunter. Launches .177 pellets at 1000fps. Very accurate (5 shot groups with all holes touching from 10 yards when I do my part). This may not be the best choice for an in city back yard gun though. You need a substantial backstop (punches though close to an inch of soft pine with pointed pellets) and ricochetes can be a problem. Those things really zing if you hit something solid from the right angle. Its also pretty loud.

Kalindras
March 26, 2003, 11:05 PM
Hey, Jesse,

I've been recently looking into this, since I'm pretty tight on cash, and a typical run to the range (45 minutes north) costs about:

$18 Range Fees
$5 Gas
$50 Ammo

For about two hours' worth of bang-bang time. Great fun, but a bit costly and I really don't get enough time in to work my shooting skills all that much. So I'm looking at picking up a good .177 pellet rifle and a trap, so that my buddy and I can just cart over to one another's house and shoot in the backyard. That way, we don't waste so much ammo when we DO get to the range!!

With that in mind, might I suggest the Gamo Young Hunter Model 220? It has a lot offer:

~640 fps (doesn't compare to the 1000+ fps big boys, but has the major advantage that the pellets don't make a sonic CRACK, either!)
Comes in open sights, or with a BSA 4x32 scope for about $40 more
Single stroke pump
Feels heavier than most of the Daisy and Crosman guns I've hefted

Now, before you get to thinking "Heck a YOUNG Hunter Model? It's a kid's gun!" Let me tell you...other than a lower fps, which is actually an advantage to us suburbanites, the only differences between this and the full-blown 220 model are a pound of weight, about an inch of stock, and $50.

I'm thinking of ordering mine from www.pyramydair.com where they offer the combo model (the one with a scope) for $129.95 and shipping. I haven't found it locally for less than that, so...

Anyway, I hope you'll give this a look. I've heard great things about it from friends, and I think it even got a write-up in Gun Week, a while back.

Good Luck!!

:D

happy old sailor
March 26, 2003, 11:38 PM
received my Daisy mdl 36, nickle plated, 500 shot BB gun for Xmas in 1936. i still have it. it says No. 102 on the barrel. hope that is the serial number. it was manufactured at Plymouth, Michigan.

it stands in a corner by the back door waiting for a stray cat. doesn't shoot too hard now, but, i don't want to hurt someones
pet kitty anyway.

with about a thirty foot hallway, a cardboard box, and a couple old towels, i can set up a target range for BBs and pellets. something to do when i get tired of reloading in the winter.

round balls out of smoothbores are not super accurate, so would recommend a rifled bore pellet gun if you want target practice. tis what i have. a relatively inexpensive one can be surpirsingly accurate.

TheEgg
March 27, 2003, 11:30 AM
Gamo, RWS, Beeman, AirForce, Webley, etc. all make "adult" airguns, vs. a lot of stuff from Daisy, etc. Good source is www.airgunexpress.com or www.compasseco.com. IMHO $200 is about the bottom end to get a decent rifle. In that price range and up you get mostly steel construction, good wood or composite stocks, etc. You can get plinkers, target guns, hunting guns, etc., with common calibers of .177, .20, .22, .25.

If you think a gunpowder firearm habit is expensive, don't get into the good stuff in Air guns -- can be just as expensive! I currently hunt squirrles and other small game with a Beeman Crow Magnum IV, with a Leupold EFR scope -- total setup was over $1,500 -- but it is incredibly accurate and deadly out to about 40 yards. Even farther probably, but that is about the limit that I can reliably get clean head shot kills offhand.

One warning -- when you get into the higher powered adult airguns, be aware that they are REAL firearms, very powerfull and in many ways just as dangerous as gunpowder arms. Also, the cocking of these guns takes a lot of strength, so are probably not suitable for people without some muscle.

With all that said, jump in -- they can be a blast! (Did I really say that :eek: )

Pheonix
March 27, 2003, 04:54 PM
Due to my neighbors 5 housecats she can no longer take in any more strays. Her porch, front and back, have boxes filled with towels to be used as beds. Numerous bowls are spread out everywhere. The strays have been hanging around and multiplying for about 2 years. Cats in heat in the middle of the night outside your window= bad night sleep. The cats are starting to tear up flower beds. We put over $1K into our front yard last year. Now we want to sell our house with the trash lady next door.

Anywho...This thread came at a good time. I was thinking of posting a similar question. After reading the responses I went to Gander Mtn. and bought a Crosman 764. First one I broght home was broken. Went and extanged it and this one works. It is my 1st so I cannot compare it to anything, but it does hit hard.

By the way it was $39 with a scope (4X did not install) fiber optic ft sight.

Bainx
March 27, 2003, 05:35 PM
Jesse--bending things just a little, consider this: a .22 rifle and handgun shooting Colibris and CCI CBs. Thru a long barreled 22 such as the Romanian trainer, a CCI CB is about as loud as a hand clap...no loud report, honest. Thru a 22 revolver, a Colibri round is about the same. Your neighbors would never know it. But still, shoot safely in an urban environment!:p

Jesse H
March 27, 2003, 06:01 PM
I've done the same thing with a 22/45 :D at the old house.

Do a search in TFL under my name, and 'ND'

444
March 28, 2003, 12:58 AM
Blackhawk

THe course was great. I highly recommend it for anyone with kids. The guy is a very good teacher and he stresses safety over and over and over. Primarily safety glasses. I am sure that if you put the nessessary time in on the course, you would greatly improve your point shooting, and wingshooting. I bought the course with the intention of playing around with it out in the yard. I am really paranoid about having someone call the police, being labeled a nut, breeding hate and discontent with my neighbors etc. I think I could probably get away with it, after all, I live in a rural area, but since I live in the desert, my neighbors can see everything I am doing. Long story even longer, I didn't put a lot of time into the program but I think the program is a good one.
As for the gun, it is OK. It is very similar to a Daisy BB rifle. Lever Action. The stock and fore end are wood. The stock is close to adult size. For a BB gun, it is average. That being said, it is made of metal stampings in a third world country.

arinvolvo
March 28, 2003, 01:09 AM
RWS, Beeman, Gamo, Norica are all good choices....actually come to think of it, Im not sure that Norica's are still in production.

Ill get back to you.

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