i love the exaggerating shooter


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MJRW
March 26, 2003, 08:41 PM
Went shooting with a friend's fiance and the friend and my own fiance. He had a kel-tec sub-2000 he claimed could do "dime groups, laying down, at 150 yards. Hell, she was hitting bullseye at 75 yards standing with it." Further claimed to be able to "double tap groups at 50 yards with a pistol." I was looking forward to seeing a shooter of this caliber. Rummy on the pun.

Well, he didn't have any handguns of his, so he started out shooting my 4" GP-100. I'm not a great shooter by any stretch of the word. I get a ragged hole at 30 feet and reasonable group at 45 with that gun on a good day. When he got done at 20', it looked like buckshot had just hit the target. I think he had an 18" group. :rolleyes: But hey, he's Beretta shooter being former Air Force MP and all that.

He shoots the Bersa at 20 feet. Managed to get about a 12" group. Even with the .22, he's still only managing an 8" group at that distance. I begin to question if he's ever shot before.

Then its on with him. Its time for the Sub-2000. He's used to shooting M4s or whatnot at 600 yards. :what: He loades up 10 rounds in the magazine, puts a 5 bullseye target out (about 24" x 24", the red ones if you know what I am talking about). Unloads the magazine at the target at 75 feet and brings it in. I'm thinking he must have gotten a super-tight group because I don't see a whole bunch of holes. The reason I didn't see a whole bunch of holes is that there were in fact ZERO holes in the target. Yes, he failed to even hit paper. I put it out there and manage to get it with 3" of bullseye with a single shot. Luck was on my side that day, but that's still not a hard shot.

"Well, I am at the middle of the front post, that must be throwing me off." I know, its his gun and he should have it sighted in for himself since no one but he has shot it since those dime groups or whatever. He puts another 10 down range and hits paper once. I repeat my previous effort. I ask how far that is. He says "75 yards." I explain to him that is 75 feet.

I bet him on the last two remaining bullseyes. If I hit them, I get the sub-2000 for free. If he hits them, I will buy it off him for twice the value. I manage to hit the third one when his fiance explains that he is pretty broke and he is still at least a foot off in his shooting. So, to poke fun of him, I take the last shots with the GP-100. I rib him saying "apparently I have an unfair advantage." I didn't hit bullseye with it, no way no how for me. But he didn't hit it either with his kel-tec.

He's a gun shop commando or mall ninja waiting to happen.

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Justin
March 26, 2003, 09:17 PM
I haven't got time for braggards or GSC's. Maybe that's why I dig hanging out with Bullseye and High-Power shooters.

Standing Wolf
March 26, 2003, 09:24 PM
I haven't met many braggart shooters over the years. On the whole, we're a modest, honest bunch.

BerettaNut92
March 26, 2003, 09:24 PM
"A little guy like you? That Benelli will knock you on your end."
"A little guy like you? That Benelli will break your bones."
"A little guy like you? That Benelli will dislocate your shoulder."
"A little guy like you? That Benelli will dislocate your elbow."

Ahem.

Nightcrawler
March 26, 2003, 09:25 PM
I once had a fellow insist that while he was in the Air Force he could hit targets at 300 yards with the Beretta 92 9mm pistol.

MitchSchaft
March 26, 2003, 09:28 PM
Aren't liars funny?

Sgt
March 26, 2003, 09:29 PM
The Air Force?

They qualify with the m-16 at a whopping 50 yards....:o

I can throw a rock 50 yards...jeez :neener:

The air farce is better trained to hang out at the e/o club...or the bowling alley...haha!!

Soap
March 26, 2003, 09:33 PM
A short list of things to never brag about:

-Your wealth
-Your shooting ability
-Your fighting ability
-Your ability to withstand pain
-How great of a hunter you are
-Your ability to attract women
-Your intelligence


...well I suppose you should never really brag about anything since you're gonna put your foot in your mouth at some point...

But it's just dang funny when other people get called out on their bluff! :D

MitchSchaft
March 26, 2003, 09:34 PM
But that was more than just a little bluff in gest. That was an outright lie.

Soap
March 26, 2003, 09:51 PM
bluff
v. bluffed, bluff·ing, bluffs


1. To mislead or deceive.
2. To impress, deter, or intimidate by a false display of confidence.
3. Games- To try to mislead (opponents) in a card game by heavy betting on a poor hand or by little or no betting on a good one.

I would say this case falls under definitions 1 and 2. YMMV ;)

Archie
March 26, 2003, 10:01 PM
# 5 (or so). Never BS someone on a subject they know.

#6. Never BS someone on something that can be easily checked.

Blackhawk
March 26, 2003, 10:16 PM
I'm confused. How do you completely miss the target with a Sub-2000 at 75'? I've never shot one, but are they really that bad? :confused:

illuminatus99
March 26, 2003, 10:21 PM
I always have the opposite happen, I really can hit a beer can with a 1oz slug at 100yds :) you should see the look on the faces of the non-believers.

Harold Mayo
March 26, 2003, 10:44 PM
A short list of things to never brag about:

-Your wealth
-Your shooting ability
-Your fighting ability
-Your ability to withstand pain
-How great of a hunter you are
-Your ability to attract women
-Your intelligence

Umm...what else is important enough to care about so you CAN brag?:confused:

Surely you're not suggesting that anything but those seven things even matters...?


I'm so confused right now...surely there must be SOMETHING that it's ok to boast and lie about...???

:uhoh:

MitchSchaft
March 26, 2003, 11:24 PM
Stay away from the coffee:scrutiny:

Coronach
March 26, 2003, 11:27 PM
I once had a fellow insist that while he was in the Air Force he could hit targets at 300 yards with the Beretta 92 9mm pistol.Depends on the target. :neener:

Mike

cool45auto
March 26, 2003, 11:35 PM
Yeah! I bet I could hit the side of a, oh I don't know, a MALL at 300 yards with my Beretta!:D

Braz
March 27, 2003, 12:22 AM
Gosh,

That list would leave Texans nothing to talk about. ;)

bogie
March 27, 2003, 10:56 AM
I love folks like this - they buy lots of beer.

Edward429451
March 27, 2003, 11:14 AM
I once had a fellow insist that while he was in the Air Force he could hit targets at 300 yards with the Beretta 92 9mm pistol.

I know this guy! or one just like him. Used to work with him. He 'used to be DEA' and went on a raid in which he was supposed to cover the rear area of the rural farmhouse methlab and during the raid he sees the dopies sniper friend running in the field with a scoped rifle at 150 yards. Well dontcha know he shot him in both kneecaps (didnt want to kill him) on the run with his Beretta, with 2 shots, offhand! Now that I think about it, he was from Texas.

All my friends are careful with the stories they tell me. I get this scrutinizing look::scrutiny: when the story starts and Sometimes they just stop and say kidding, kidding. (All except the 'DEA man".)

coonan357
March 27, 2003, 11:48 AM
for the longest time the impromttu range at my buddies two farms we thought we where shooting 75 yards (225') when in actuallity we where shooting 100-110 yards ! when we measured it out , then we made markers for 21' 3Y , 50' 17y, and at 75 yard and 100 now we dont use the 75 or 100 hardly except for rifles , but at 50' and 75 feet out scores went up dramatically , but the quot someone said
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A short list of things to never brag about :

-Your wealth
-Your shooting ability
-Your fighting ability
-Your ability to withstand pain
-How great of a hunter you are
-Your ability to attract women
-Your intelligence
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I cant say I brag about any of them because :
1.I'm broke
2.I'm decent and can hit COM
3.no comment I am a lover not a fighter . well when I can find a girl ..
4.this I know I can do I drove 12 hours on a shattered foot
5.I'd starve if it wheren't for jewels or krogers (grocery stores )
6. Going to Enroll in the El Tejon school of Dating :D (a joke ,ok El Tej.??)
7.no comment but look at my scores , but ask me anything simple .

RobW
March 27, 2003, 11:49 AM
Harold Mayo: there is one left - FISHING!

I once catched one at Lake Mead half the size of a baby whale! I couldn't bring it in the boat so I had to shoot it with my BMG .50 and tow it to the shore! ;)

seeker_two
March 27, 2003, 12:00 PM
A short list of things to never brag about:

-Your ability to attract women



I most certainly do brag about that! After all, I did marry the best woman in the world...:D

That list would leave Texans nothing to talk about.

At least the ones at the last Houston gun show I went to...:what:

AJ Dual
March 27, 2003, 12:01 PM
LOL,

Back in the late 80's in highschool, one kid claimed to me that he had death threats against him from some drug dealers in his neighborhood because he wouldn't go work for them...

He was the only kid in the state under 18 that the Milwaukee Police Department issued a "gun permit" to because of the threats...

:rolleyes:

BOBE
March 27, 2003, 12:01 PM
And don't forget, the fish that gets away can be as big as you want it to be!

blades67
March 27, 2003, 06:34 PM
I'm confused. How do you completely miss the target with a Sub-2000 at 75'? I've never shot one, but are they really that bad?:confused:


No, but the shooter in that post was!:what:

Gewehr98
March 27, 2003, 07:25 PM
The air farce is better trained to hang out at the e/o club...or the bowling alley...haha!!

Obviously you've never studied the history of a certain deranged airman with an AK clone at the Fairchild AFB hospital a few years back.

The SP who stopped him did so at a range of 75 yards, with a Beretta M9. While you armchair commandos paint, with broad brushstrokes, an evaluation of an entire branch of military service based on one wannabee's need for attention, there are those individuals who know how to shoot effectively under fire, and have demonstrated that ability in no uncertain terms. :scrutiny:

pale horse
March 27, 2003, 07:48 PM
The SP who stopped him did so at a range of 75 yards, with a Beretta M9.

Is not correct. I know one of the SP that were there. It was a running chase that ended up near some heavy machinery and the bad guy was hiding in the bucket of a front end loader. The SP put his gun around the corner and shot the guy between the eyes. He did not use the sights nor did he do it at 75 yards. He did it at about 7 feet.

The SP that made the shot then went on for his choice of duty station and got a DD.

280PLUS
March 27, 2003, 08:03 PM
I remember the time i was a shootin' down to the range and dang if i didnt miss the target and shoot right over the top of it, well 2 hours later i was a standin' there when all of a sudden that round comes a zippin' by my ear and hits the target smack dab in the bullseye! That round had gone AAALLLLL the way around the earth just to come back and hit the target,,,

smack dab in the bullseye...

best shot i ever made...

:rolleyes:

Gewehr98
March 27, 2003, 09:32 PM
has become somewhat of an urban legend then, according to the newspaper reports I read from the Spokane area around that time. (Being a B-52 aircrew dawg and all, I had just been TDY there before the incident). Newsprint and victim websites reported Airman Brown's interdiction shot at distances ranging from 200 feet to 75 yards. Security forces talked about the shooting for quite some time afterwards, as well as his Airman's Medal and Col. Billy Jack Carter Award. Now, who to believe? And SrA Brown got Dishonorably Discharged afterwards? :confused:

Brad Johnson
March 28, 2003, 01:42 PM
The guy who does some light gunsmithing work at my local range is one heck of a good shot. He's the quiet type and never brags about it, but his thrill in life is to embarrass the socks off some mall-ninja that can't shoot for beans.

The part that gets me laughing every time is when one of these prancing, self-aggrandizing morons waltzes in with a new HK or Glock and proceeds to shoot crappy group after crappy group. Invariably they will come back in the showroom complaining (loudly) that it has to be something wrong with the gun. After all, THEY are crack shots who never miss!

My friend, with his most serious face on, will look over the gun for a few minutes, and then ask if he can fire it a couple of times to check it out (he always sets the target at the same distance as the goof-bucket shooter, just to make it more obvious). The usual result is a off-hand group that most of us couldn't top on our best day from a bagged rest. He'll walk back to the range (still wearing his serious-face) and hand the gun back to ninja-boy. "Seems to be fine."

As soon as the flustered wannabe gets out the door everybody busts out lauging. :D

Brad

280PLUS
March 28, 2003, 02:03 PM
i'll say this about glock, i don't care for how they fit my hand but i took 3 shots with a 10mm at 25 ft., all three touched and two were almost the same spot.

i found that impressive.

tommytrauma
March 28, 2003, 02:51 PM
I'm confused. How do you completely miss the target with a Sub-2000 at 75'? I've never shot one, but are they really that bad?
Not at all. I regularly make double-tap head shots at 1200 yards with mine. :D

Seriously, they're fun little plinkers out to 100 yard or so.

Average Guy
March 28, 2003, 02:52 PM
It's funny--I knew a guy who came up with all sorts of wild stories, told with the utmost sincerity.

But that was in the third grade.

(Hey, pale horse--the dragon comes in the niiiiiight!)

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