[wanderinwalker]

Yeah, title says it all. I was just looking around and snooping on the Ruger website under their new products. WHOA!! Ruger M77 available in .350 Remington Magnum? WAY COOL!!! :D I've always wanted a .350 Remington, just like I always wanted (and finally bought) a .260 Remington Mountain Rifle. But I just don't like the 673 (the rib is gaudy IMO) and won't hold out for a 600 carbine. This Ruger though, may just make me finally save some dough for a new rifle. ARGH!!! :fire:

Talk a poor college kid out of waiting months and months to buy a cool new toy that will only disappoint him!! Tell me I'll be disappointed!!

Oh yeah, linky:
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=17858&return=Y

[CB900F]

Wanderin'

Hmmm, there's a reason the .350 Rem magnum died to begin with. It's a magnum in name only. True, it has the belted case, but that case doesn't hold enough powder to boost any load in Speer #13 or Hornady #6 to achieve 3000 fps, let alone surpass it. Note, not the heavy bullet loads, any load, any bullet weight.

Good grief, the .338/06 out performs it with any given bullet weight in the two aforementioned manuals. And the .35 Whelan runs neck-and-neck with it.

Please don't throw the short-action card on the table. For instance, the .300 WSM is shown as to be able to push a 220 grain Hornady to within 50 fps of the .350 Rem mag's 2700 fps, but with the 200 gr bullet. Then there's the .325 WSM. But that comparison would be the proverbial beating up on a cripple.

Short action comparison, the case length of the .350 R-M is shown as 2.170", the .338 W-M is 2.500". A whole whopping .33" difference. First, prove to yourself that you're a good enough shot to take advantage of the largely irrelevant action stiffness factor between a short action & a standard action. And, yes Virginia, the .338 W-M operates on the .30-06 standard length action.

Really, I'm not trying to be snide, but if you are indeed a college student on a limited budget, take a real close look at what you'd be spending scarce dollars on.

900F

[wanderinwalker]

900F,

All good points. And I have discovered that one of the greatest things about being broke is that I cannot just go out and buy things I regret later!! I always have to stop and think about buying anything, so I think very long and hard. :cool:

As for magnum, I realize it is magnum in name only. The same could be argued for my favorite revolver round, the .44 Magnum, as it is overshadowed by a number of new rounds and even hot-loaded .45 Colts. Doesn't stop me from enjoying my Smith though! (Just as the fact that my .260 won't break 3000-fps with any useful hunting bullet doesn't make it any less effective.)

[CB900F]

Wanderin';

OK, you've thought long & hard. So, go get it if that's what you really want. I just don't want to hear complaints that it's not enough gun in the future.

Of course, the SV650 is one of the greatest bikes of all time, so far, to learn to roadrace on. But, it's kinda slow.

:neener: 900F

[zahc]

I don't have much to say about the caliber, but a Ruger is one of the last brands of factory rifles I would buy. There are many others out there, that don't require you to budget a trigger job with the rifle.

[wanderinwalker]

900F,

Sure, it may be a bit slow, but mine's a dog for other reasons!! Go ahead, tell me how blinkin' reliable and bullet-proof the SV650 is, go ahead, I DARE YOU!!! One rear shock and one dash-circuit board, both about 5000 miles apart in their failures. I'm really looking forward to what goes down at 15000 miles. Sheesh, if I hadn't had to put an arm and a leg into parts, I could have a Kreiger barrel on my match AR-15! :cuss: (Actually, the little bike may go on the block next year, not sure yet. Would make a great race bike for somebody...)

You're right, I'll pass on a .350 for now. Maybe I should wait until I become man enough for a .300 or .338! :evil:

Later all.

[CB900F]

Wanderin';

OUCH!! I'm sorry to hear of your woes with the zooker. I'd think the dealer would be concerned too, but that certainly depends on the motorcycle climate in your area. A local dealer in a smaller market shouldn't want all the negative comments you'd generate. A SoCal dealer could probably care less.

Truth be told, there are many cartridges that fit into the same category as the .350 Remington. The .30-40 Krag, as just one example. It's a fine round, but - it can't live in the same market as the .30-06. Other oddities, such as the 8mm Remington magnum offer all the oomph that the .350 lacks, but still didn't prosper in the marketplace, for reasons that remain obscure.

So, are you looking for sort of a 'not-everybody's-got-one' kinda round, or just a big bore that'll get the job done? I'm a relatively new owner of a .338 W-M, and don't find the recoil, although more than the .30-06, objectionable. I've had several people tell me that the .300 W-M will whop you more than the .338. My current hunting load is pushing a 225 gr bullet at 2875 fps over the Oehler 35P. On the other hand, the .30-06 will do the job without a doubt on anything in North America with the possible exception of the large bears.

900F

[Kramer Krazy]

Go ahead, tell me how blinkin' reliable and bullet-proof the SV650 is, go ahead, I DARE YOU!!!
Well....they are supposed to be bullet-proof. You must be doing something wrong. :neener: :D My Ducati ST2 (1998: the red-headed stepchild of the Ducati ST line) has only suffered two voltage regulators and two clutch slaves in 20,000 miles. No problems with the 2002 Ducati 748 in 6000 miles (yet), and I'd have a little list (if memory would serve me correctly) in the 80,000 miles my 1985 Harley has been down......but, back to the the topic....

I have a few Rugers, and they are fairly bullet-proof....but, we shouldn't use that term since your Zuki is using it......let's say.......my Rugers have been "trustworthy". (I can't use reliable, either, as the Zook has used that, too) :neener: I only have experience with a 10/22 and M-77 Target in .223, though. Personally, I wouldn't have any issues getting another Ruger rifle (been looking at the M-77 in .308). I can't comment on the caiber that you're looking at, though, as I have no experience nor knowledge of it.

[Slimjim]

I only have experience with a 10/22 and M-77 Target in .223,
A 10/22 in .223 would be awesome.

[CB900F]

Fella's;

"A 10/22 in .223 would be awesome." And rare, very rare.

900F

[wanderinwalker]

Odds of winning lottery: better than ever seeing a .223 10/22.

As for the .350 Remington cartridge, to my mind it really occupies a niche similar to my buddy's .45/70 Guide Gun. More of a close range hammer than a long-distance plugger. Here in New Hampshire, I have never seen a shot at anything beyond 50 yards, though I did once spot the flash of a fleeing deer at about 100-150 on some powerlines. (Had the dog with me so I wasn't deer hunting at the time. :o ) I've actually been within 30 yards of deer that just walk up on me in the brush, and have been closer to moose, including one that was a "face-to-snout" encounter practically. The need for a long-range gun isn't very great, needless to say.

And yes, I like things that aren't common, hence the .260 Remmy. Of course, I have a hard time convincing the magnumiacs that it is enough gun, but the old timers just smile and nod when I tell them, "It's like a 6.5 Swede."

Lastly, the cycle shops around here make their money on ATVs and snowmobiles to a point; the bikes are almost just a sideline for most of the places.

[Kramer Krazy]

Slimjim A 10/22 in .223 would be awesome.
Never thought of that.....yeah, that would be a sweet little carbine.....it would be even better than that 44 mag version that was made several years ago.......or, at least it looked like a 10/22. Anyone know of this 44 mag model?

[Kramer Krazy]

Here's one of those 44 mag Carbines.....

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=37154758

Looks like a few were called the "Deerstalker" and the others were just called a "Ruger Carbine" in 44 mag. I guess they figure the .223 version is the Mini-14. ;)

[Delmar]

wanderinwalker

Not a thing wrong with a 350 Rem Mag for the type of hunting you describe. Out to about 200-250 yards, there isn't really much it can't put down, plus you have a caliber not found very often. Advantages and disadvantages there.
I was a teenager when the 350 came out, and thought it would be nice in a light, short action carry rifle-everything you'd love to have in a handy, short and compact firearm and equally brutal to shoot off the bench :what: I doubt that I would have even scoped it-a nice open sight would have made sense to me back in the days when I had eyes!
Several things killed that caliber-gun writers said you could not do this and you could not do that, but then, they said the same thing about the 284 Winchester. Mainly, a short action did not leave enough room for the long heavyweight bullets.

It's hard to convince some folks that you don't need 3000 fps to knock over game in a couple of football fields, but let them have their fun. You should also have yours!

Remington is making some Model 7's in 350 and I would like to see one. That would make me want to consider one, even though I don't care for belted magnums. I'd just as soon have the extra diameter filled with powder if you please!

My hunting is primarily done with a 308 Winchester-pretty predestrian cartridge. And I get to hear all the time that it will never catch a good handloaded 06 and all this and that. I still fill the meat locker on a real regular basis as you should be with that 260. Only bad thing about the short actions is when you pick up a standard action-I have a Rem 700 in 270, the bolt seems to travel forever when you're cycling! I know its just what I am used to, but its enough to notice the difference.

[wanderinwalker]

Delmar,

I hear you on bolt travel. I occasionally get to play with a 1903A3 at vintage rifle matches, and the dang thing takes half of forever to cycle! :eek: Make mine a short action, please!

Oh, and do you mean these Remington Model 7s? Yeah, might make a good graduation present, I think ;) , and a definite if I ever decide to go moose hunting. (Lottery odds aren't that bad around here, actually.)

http://www.remington.com/firearms/custom/7KS.htm
http://www.remington.com/firearms/custom/7MS.htm

Forgot: I routinely shoot my AR-15 out to 600 yards at the matches, and my 80gr loads are just breaking 2600fps (w/ a BC around .44-46, which a .35 caliber 225gr bullet is close to that). I don't foresee taking any field shots past 300, anywhere, and I've learned that knowing drop and wind drift are most important.

[Delmar]

Yep, that Rem 7KS looks like the ticket!

My love seems to be for the 308 based cartridges, so I need to get up a 243, a 260, 7MM-08, and a 358 to have the "family", so to speak. Sure, lots of overlap, and who knows what is gonna be my favorite? Who Cares??