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MDG1976
September 17, 2005, 01:42 PM
Here's the trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/jarhead/large.html) to the upcoming movie "Jarhead" based on Anthony Swofford's novel of the same name. I bought the book a few months ago but haven't read it yet. It'a about a marine in the Gulf War.

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Lone_Gunman
September 17, 2005, 03:55 PM
I would have been happier without the rap music.

M-Rex
September 17, 2005, 03:58 PM
I've heard, on either Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh, that it's tupposed to be an 'anti-Iraq-war' movie. Anyone else hear this same rumor?

torpid
September 17, 2005, 04:19 PM
***SPOILERS BELOW***


I did read the book.
It was okay. Even though he was a sniper, he personally never shot anyone while there, so it's not an "action" oriented book. It looks like they kept many of the parts I found funny (unrecognizable as funny in the trailer if you haven't read it). He also went psycho a couple of times on himself and others.

I'm more interested in Colby Buzzell's stuff from the current Gulf war, having read both authors, It will likely be a similar feel, but he was in the middle of a lot more "hot" combat than Swofford.

I have NO recollection of the B-17 like formation of A-10s seen in the trailer though! :confused:

Maybe it will make sense in the film.

.

Bartholomew Roberts
September 17, 2005, 05:25 PM
I read the book and ended up throwing it in the trash when I was through. I never thought I would hear that much whining from a Marine.

The book was highly anti-war about the first conflict (but to be fair, who didn't think that Iraq had every right to invade another country and pillage it?), so I would expect the movie to be more of the same.

GGraff
September 17, 2005, 08:10 PM
I have to agree with Mr. Roberts on this one. Read it and just wanted to slap the guy and ask him for a refund.

kihnspiracy
September 17, 2005, 08:35 PM
I read the book. I want my $$$$$ back. Although I served in a different branch, the Marines I knew were patriotic, honest and sincere about their jobs. After reading that piece of trash, I have decided that never seen a bigger display of whining in my entire life. What a !!!!!! :cuss: I am damn glad that he is not an accurate example of Marines we have today.

Remander
September 18, 2005, 01:18 AM
I read the book a year or so ago, and I enjoyed it.

I don't judge books on whether they echo my political views. I read them for pleasure and to broaden my perspective by hearing the views of others, especially those persons who were actually involved in an event such as a war.

I'll make up my mind on issues after reading lots of views from several observers.

Swofford was there and has a story to tell. If others who were there have a different view to share and can write an interesting account, I'll likely enjoy that version as well.

geegee
September 18, 2005, 02:08 AM
I've never read it and was never a Marine, but I have yet to hear one good word said about it from a Marine. That's about all I need to know.

crucible
September 18, 2005, 02:13 AM
I just finished reading it (again) a few weeks ago, and also enjoyed it.

Not because I agree with all of his conclusions or even some of his Corps experiences (I don't). But I enjoyed it for it's depiction of the comradery (or sometimes a distinct lack therof) there serving in the Corps can generate and the acccording portrayal of the same in the First Great Sandbox War: humorous, sad, incredulous, maddening, rewarding, way cool, sucking ass, frightening, kickass, honorable, flabbergasting, dishonorable, and a billion of other adjectives all rolled up into one. (FWIW, I was in both that conflict and the USMC too, and remember a good deal of similar experiences as he wrote of during that time).

Every Marine I ever knew had thier own opinions and feelings on a variety of subjects-and many of them weren't shy about telling them to each other either. (Bitching in the military is an art form folks, an art form). Swofferd just happened to write a book on his (good, bad and ugly in thier rawest form).

I happen to agree with him on one point: necessary of not, war sucks, and no one likes to fight less than the folks who have to do it. That said, the USMC, the finest fighting force the world has ever seen, is an interesting paradox of that idea: love to fight and deadly as hell at it, but hate it all at the same time. I think this is much of what Swoffered expresses in a round-about fashion, but in the same breath admit that I do find some of his ending comments off base.

Whatever though.

I read the book. I want my $$$$$ back. Although I served in a different branch, the Marines I knew were patriotic, honest and sincere about their jobs. After reading that piece of trash, I have decided that never seen a bigger display of whining in my entire life. What a PUSSY!!!!!! I am damn glad that he is not an accurate example of Marines we have today.

If you think that Marines can't and don't have differring personal opinions, feelings and experiences on any number of things (mostly shared among themselves), and yet maintain an overall patriotic, sincere and deadly professionalism at the same time as the Marine that they are, well, I guess you really don't know many Marines, and didn't believe me when I said that bitching is an art form in the military.

While I can in fact see how some of his book might be viewed as over-whining and perhaps some is, I tend to see much of it as military bitching in an USMC-specific setting, just not normally communicated to the rest of the world in such a frank and public fashion.

Oh yea: the only formations of aircraft I saw like that were during the parade in DC sometime after the war. During it, I mostly recall seeing pairs and sometimes several pairs of both heli's and fast movers. We can't avoid hollywood injecting thier....falseness in this movie anymore than any other I reckon.

(FWIW: an outstanding book I recommend about the latest conflict one is called: The March Up, Taking Baghdad with the 1st Marine Division by Bing West and USMC ret. Major General Ray Smith. ISBN 0-553-80376-x.)

IMO. YMMV. Blah, blah.

Cruc

Drizzt
November 3, 2005, 04:51 PM
The true story behind "Jarhead" -- Greenville mom takes issue with book, movie
Thursday, November 03, 2005
By Ted Roelofs
The Grand Rapids Press

GREENVILLE -- Diantha Eldridge remembers all the Marines in their crisp dress blues, how they came to her home in Greenville in 1992 to pay respects to her son.

Although he signed the funeral guest book, she has no memory of one certain Marine -- Anthony Swofford, author of "Jarhead," a gritty account of the Gulf War and now a major movie, opening Friday.

She does take issue with the book's depiction of her son, Marine Lance Cpl. Troy Collier. Eldridge said she tried to reach Swofford to give him a piece of her mind.

"We would have had a talking-to," she said. "A lot of things in there aren't true."

Collier is a major figure in Swofford's book, a battlefield comrade credited with saving the author from suicide. But Eldridge and other Greenville-area residents are convinced Swofford's account of their town and the events surrounding his funeral is as much fiction as fact.

As for the movie, the name Troy Collier no longer exists. A major character in the film, "Allen Troy," played by actor Peter Sarsgaard, appears to be a composite character that includes elements of Troy Collier. One of the movie's final scenes depicts a funeral for Allen Troy, though the movie doesn't reveal how he died.

The real-life Troy Collier died Feb. 23, 1992, killed instantly about 7:30 a.m. when he lost control of his 1989 Nissan pickup and slid off M-91, striking several trees. He was 22.

Eldridge said her son, a 1987 graduate of Greenville High School, had been out of the Marines just two months when he died. He was on his way to work as a nurse's aide at an adult foster care home in Saranac.

When she learned about the book "Jarhead," which made the 2003 New York Times bestseller list, Eldridge felt like she lost her son a second time.

"I was devastated when I read some of the things in that book," she said. "Things rushed back at me. I felt like I was going through his death all over again."

Except for the scenes set in Greenville, Eldridge, 56, said she didn't read much of the book, a blunt, profanity-laced account of the Gulf War and the Marine subculture.

Eldridge said she was most troubled by this comment of Swofford about her son: "I also knew that just like me, he believed in no God."

Eldridge recalled that her son "wasn't very happy" after he got out of the Marines and came back home to live. He was studying to be a nurse at Muskegon Community College and still piecing together life after his time in the military.

But on this, she is adamant: "Troy did believe in God. Troy went to church after he came home. Nobody made him."

The book recalls his burial at a Greenville cemetery on a bitterly cold day with below-zero wind chill, an inch or two of snow on the ground. Eldridge said it was unusually mild, the ground not even frozen, the day she buried her son.

Later, the book recounts how Swofford and the other Marines decided to go for a drink at a "bar in the basement of an antique shop."

There's no such bar in Greenville, but locals agree that was most likely a bar called Legends, in the basement of the Winter Inn.

They are skeptical about what "Jarhead" says happened there. The story recounts a spectacular fight between the Marines and about a dozen local toughs. One of the Marines is insulted, the book says, and the Marines soon are taking on all comers, busting chairs and breaking bottles over heads. Swofford says he threw the instigator of the fight over the bar in a crash of broken bottles.

Barry Thornton, partial owner of the Winter Inn, was an ID checker at the entrance to the bar at that time. He recalls a fight involving some Marines or Army soldiers, but nothing like that account. The bar closed about nine years ago.

"I remember a lot of glasses got broken," he said. "But there was no time when anyone got thrown behind the bar. I don't recall anything where glasses were ever broken over anyone's head. I would remember that."

The book also recounts how the police came and took them into their cars and told them they should leave town the next day.

Bruce Schnepp, Greenville's director of public safety and a lifelong resident of Greenville, said he has no recollection of anything like that.

Though she differs with much of "Jarhead," Eldridge said the book does get one thing right about Marine life.

"They all did a lot of drinking. They were always drinking. That part is true."

http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-1/113103270912300.xml&coll=6

now, to be fair, I'm sure there's plenty of former military out there whose mothers may not know a lot about how they did or didn't act while on active duty...

SlimeDog
November 3, 2005, 05:08 PM
FYI - the September 21st issue of a Marine newspaper called RotoVue has the following blurb on Jarhead:

"Jarhead is a film adaptation of Anthony Swofford’s novel of
the same name. After hitting bookstores in December 2003, the
manuscript made its rounds through the Corps and was met with
some controversy. The bitter memoir of a sniper in the Persian
Gulf War is an unyielding examination of the terror of war and
leads the young Marine depicted in the book to question
everyone and everything, including the Marine Corps. The film
version of the book follows Gyllenhall (The Day After Tomorrow)
through boot camp and into a war he doesn’t fully understand
while fighting an enemy he can’t see. Foxx (Ray, Collateral)
plays a hardcharger who leads his sniper platoon into battle.
They’re also joined by Chris Cooper (American Beauty, The
Patriot) and Peter Sarsgaard (Skeleton Key, Kinsey) in a star-
filled cast that brings the movie an air of credibility. After
viewing the trailer, the film looks to be a cross between Full
Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now. Once word gets out about this
movie, Marines in the Jacksonville area are sure to fill the
theaters, so be prepared for long lines and sold out showings.
To view the film’s trailer or for more information visit
www.jarheadthemovie.com."

The link is: http://www.newriver.usmc.mil/PDF%20ROTOVUE/043-21sep05H.pdf

(Note that it's a slow download).

-SlimeDog

mohican
November 3, 2005, 05:19 PM
***SPOILERS BELOW***

I'm more interested in Colby Buzzell's stuff from the current Gulf war, having read both authors, It will likely be a similar feel, but he was in the middle of a lot more "hot" combat than Swofford.


.

I started to read his blog while he was still "in country", and nameless
www.cbftw.blogspot.com

Hawkmoon
November 3, 2005, 06:10 PM
Foxx (Ray, Collateral) plays a hardcharger who leads his sniper platoon into battle.
Okay, I know it's from a reviewer who (a) doesn't know diddley and (b) probably can't write anything very well anyway, but ...

Since snipers work in pairs and spend 99% of their time trying diligently NOT be be seen or detected by the enemy, how, exactly, does a "hardcharger" (one word?) lead an entire platoon of snipers into battle?

JAG2955
November 3, 2005, 06:32 PM
And every time I see it, I still laugh my head off when I hear:

"I thank God for every day in the Corps......oorah."

Tierhog
November 3, 2005, 06:44 PM
Hawkmoon,

The Marine Corps has battalion level sniper platoons called STA.. Stands for "Surveillance, Target Acquisition", very good at what they do, I knew several of them during the Gulf War, good people all.

ocabj
November 3, 2005, 06:45 PM
I would have been happier without the rap music.

I'm not a Kanye West fan, but "Jesus Walks" is a very good song. You should listen to it sometime if you haven't heard the whole thing.

civilian
November 3, 2005, 06:58 PM
seems like good entertainment, and i like foxx - probably go see it this weekend.

outofbattery
November 3, 2005, 07:04 PM
Okay, I know it's from a reviewer who (a) doesn't know diddley and (b) probably can't write anything very well anyway, but ...

Since snipers work in pairs and spend 99% of their time trying diligently NOT be be seen or detected by the enemy, how, exactly, does a "hardcharger" (one word?) lead an entire platoon of snipers into battle?

Read Shooter by Jack Coughlin.

MDG1976
November 3, 2005, 07:06 PM
I've almost finished the book now. It SUCKS. 300 pages of whining. I can't believe this guy was a Marine. The movie has to be better than the book.

mons meg
November 3, 2005, 07:11 PM
The Marine Corps has battalion level sniper platoons called STA.. Stands for "Surveillance, Target Acquisition", very good at what they do, I knew several of them during the Gulf War, good people all.


You're both right. The snipers may have been in a special platoon for organizational purposes, but they operated in 2-3 man "STA teams", usually one designated shooter with an M40 and two spotters supporting with scoped M16A2s.

nfl1990
November 3, 2005, 07:21 PM
For those of you who disliked this book, (and any who did and want another perspective) I strongly recomend the book One Bullet Away by Nathaniel Fick a Marine officer who served in Afganistan, and later Iraq, Mr. Fick describes his experiances from day one, till he retires from the Corp. as a Captain.

IRONFIST
November 3, 2005, 08:10 PM
Crap NFL1990, you beat me to it! I am reading that same book right now and it is great. Very vivid recollections and descriptions. I am only a few chapters in, but it looks like another one to add to my library.

nfl1990
November 3, 2005, 08:28 PM
I finished it about 2 weeks ago, and I have to say one of the best books of all time. For those of you who don't like gory books, he did leave out most of those parts.

goalie
November 3, 2005, 08:31 PM
You're both right. The snipers may have been in a special platoon for organizational purposes, but they operated in 2-3 man "STA teams", usually one designated shooter with an M40 and two spotters supporting with scoped M16A2s.

Were you there in the gulf in 1991? Were you in a unit that had a STA plt attached to the H&S Company of your battalion?

Atticus
November 3, 2005, 08:45 PM
I like the book better now than when I read it. I was expecting an action/adventure story and not self-analysis. But, it is his story to tell and he did it well. About half of my friends are former Jarheads- and they ALL bitch...a lot. On the other hand, they generally have a good, or level headed anyway, attitude about life in general. Being a Marine was absolutely the WORST and the BEST thing that ever happened to them. Hang around em long enough and you'll realize that. I will definately go see the movie.

greyhound
November 3, 2005, 11:31 PM
I read this book last year...and I have never served so I will quantify that with this...

I am not sure of the author's or filmaker's views on the CURRENT Iraq war, but from the trailer I saw it would seem that it is right up the alley of the "poor noble saps forced to do Bush's bidding meme we see among the "support the troops but not the mission" crowd.

I doubt very much that negative opinion of the 2003 invasion of Iraq was not the primary motivation for this book being made into a movie.

I could be wrong but hearing that the "bout bout bout bout " music in the trailer was a Konye "Bush doesn't care about black people" West song only reinforces that opinion.

Azrael256
November 4, 2005, 11:20 AM
I could be wrong but hearing that the "bout bout bout bout " music in the trailer was a Konye "Bush doesn't care about black people" West song only reinforces that opinion. That was the first thing I thought of, as well. It's too bad, really. A friend lent me the CD with that track, and I almost liked it.

Zundfolge
November 4, 2005, 11:40 AM
source (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B0000CAR5Y/ref=cm_rev_next/104-8604820-8373512?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=507846&s=books&customer-reviews.start=21)

Complete Joke, October 19, 2005
Reviewer: Mark A. Rocco "Sgt Rock - Former Sergeant of Marines" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2B79EXXYF38AP/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/104-8604820-8373512?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Dayton, OH)

Sorry to tell you all... but................ Anthony Swofford is in need of some serious mental help. I was there, I was a Marine Grunt with India 3/9, Task Force Papa Bear for the first Gulf War. Swofford's novel (if you want to call it that) is soooooooooooooooooooo beyond fiction, tall tales, exaggeration, false bravado, and very likely the only truth from the book is that Swafford was smoking crack cocaine while writing it.

For others that were there, what a disgrace Swofford brings upon us with his book and NOW, someone is funding a movie of this trash.

I put this book (and upcoming movie) up with GI Jane, and all that Jessica Lynch mumbo jumbo that we are exposed to with Hollywood in charge of a movie with a military theme ............. complete BS.

There you have it, Sgt Rock's opinion of Anthony Swofford, his hallucinations, his book and for the love of God, I still can't believe it....... funding for a movie. A VERY detailed review of this book can be found below.


Semper Fi,

Sgt Rock

* Wow, it all starts on page two. Anthony Swofford .... Super Marine lays out the details of where he gets his extra spending cash. Swofford goes into detail about how he steals MREs (meals ready to eat) from supply and then sells them to an army/navy store in San Bernadino. He also describes how he steals from other Marines, their gear and sells it in much the same way. Impressive Swofford, but if you were such the Super Marine why didn't you get promoted and earn a higher paycheck to supplement your income? This is all on page two and it really motivates me to keep flipping the pages of this "Chronicle" (as Swofford calls his book).
* Page seven is where we find out that Swofford is rather obsessed with the Vietnam war movies that dotted his childhood. As his fellow Marines and himself are staging for deployment to Saudi Arabia, they watch war movies to motivate themselves for killing and Swofford can only come up with this statement, "I want ammunition and alcohol and dope...." Damn Swofford, you make me so proud!
* Let's look at page 13 and this is where we find out that Swofford was absolutely in a different Marine Corps than (at the time) 196,000 other Marines "Knowing that reporters will arrive soon, we shave for the first time in a week." Wow, this must be some super, secret, high-speed STA Platoon thing. Perhaps they were so high-speed that they were to blend with the locals and grow beards? Hey Swofford, I have never seen, at any time in my eight years as a Marine Grunt a more "anal" time in the Marine Corps than that first month in country in Saudi Arabia. We were polishing boots, shaving AND keeping mustaches in regulation. Swofford, come on man........... we were in sister units, a few miles apart and you are telling us that 2/7 just gave up on grooming regulations for over a week? Let me guess...... it was only a STA Platoon thing?
* Very interesting story starting on page 17 to page 23. It's the famous MOPP Suit Football Game where Swofford knows that civilians will believe they played for an hour in 112 degree+ temperatures. Of course a Marine knows that Swofford is back to his exaggerations again. Even more interesting is how he describes them all pouring water over themselves after the game at the straddle trench, naked and/or wearing only underwear and female Boston Globe reporter is just standing there soaking it all in. Great fantasy Swofford, but you had been in theater less than two weeks and we both know that holy hell would have come unglued if ANY Marine would have run around naked OR in underwear around a female, US reporter. Great for a book but let's remember Swofford, there were many Marines around. Are they getting royalties to keep quiet about your delusions?
* Perhaps 2/7 was also a Super Marine Unit that didn't have the same rules, regulations that the rest of us had. Perhaps STA 2/7 were such hard-ass, perfect Marines that they got to keep all their porno and alcohol in Saudi Arabia? One must figure that being snipers, they were outstanding at hiding themselves so it only seems reasonable that that they could all hide illegal contraband as well. Page 25 is only the first reference (there are many) that "chronicles" the massive and bottomless pit of porno that STA 2/7 keeps in theater.
* Once again, Swofford shows us all what an outstanding Marine he is in basic character. On page 33 Swofford is so proud to inform us that he wore earrings while on leave and EVEN grew sideburns. For sure, as a sniper he would be so stealthy on his return to active duty that absolutely no one would have noticed the holes in his ears.
* Also on page 33 I believe we hear for the first time (there are more) that Swofford likes busting up bars (Kadena AFB on Okinawa). With outstanding prose, Swofford outlines all the broken skulls, bones, chairs and tables. Of course, being a sniper he was able to sneak out the back before getting caught. Also in here we find out that he likes to hang with gay Navy folk because they knew of the best bars. Actually, I've very surprised that Swofford hasn't thrown some gay or bisexual crap into his book. Surely that would enable a few more copies to be sold? "Jarhead" could have been the military version of "Less Than Zero."
* Swofford again counts on no Marines actually ever reading this trash so on page 36 he tells us that he had his Japanese girlfriend sleep in the barracks with him. He even tells us that it's Camp Hansen on Okinawa. We all know that this probably never happened in the open squad bays of Camp Hansen but this book is a best seller with a movie being made, so there is no doubt that it must be true.
* Page 45, "But after 14 weeks of bootcamp......." If this is such a "come clean, honest chronicle" then why doesn't Swofford tell us why he spends an extra week in bootcamp? Again, almost 200,000 Marines (active duty in the late 80's early 90's) all spent 13 weeks in bootcamp but our Super Marine Anthony Swofford is there for 14. I'm betting he was so outstanding of a Marine that they kept him there for an extra week so that he could show the Drill Instructors what they were doing wrong.
* Swofford the hard ass tells us on page 45 that he called his Captain a *beep* addict cumsucker bitchmaster dickskinner *beep* *beep* nopecker lilywhitebitch." This Captain, we are told, "Laughs as he signs my orders to the Seventh Marines." Sure Swofford, you call a Marine Corps Captain all this stuff and he just laughs. Interestingly, this may in fact be the single largest crock of *beep* in this book.
* Still on page 45 we see more of Swofford's character. He fakes a stomach flu the first week of reporting to Camp Pendleton, chewing Ex-Lax gum and flirting with underage candy stripers. Swofford, we're all so impressed.
* Page 47, Swofford is on theater marquee duty and spells *beep* IT, SHOWING ALL DAY" on the movie theater marquee. (If this is where ALL Marines inprocess to Camp Pendleton, it would make it the Mainside Theater, but perhaps Super Marine Swofford inprocessed somewhere else.) Sure Swofford, sure you did.
* Still on page 47, Swofford tells us that the Seventh Marines were stationed at San Onofre. You know I'll hate informing you all but Seventh Marines were stationed at San Mateo until they were moved to 29 Palms. You would think that a sniper would have these kinds of details covered?
* Swofford runs into the ONLY Staff Sergeant in the entire Marine Corps, past or present that tells him to "Stop calling me Staff Sergeant" on page 49. It was Swofford's first day with Seventh Marines and him and the Staff Sergeant got so tight in those few hours that they must have reverted to first names but we can only speculate as Swofford just tells us that a Staff Sergeant in the US Marine Corps doesn't like being called Staff Sergeant.
* Page 50 is where the branding takes place. It may have happened, it may not have but chances are, with Swofford's current trust level........... I bet it didn't.
* "I learned from Graycochea that just because you are a Marine, it doesn't mean you must like other Marines or even care about them," is from page 53. This is lovely Swofford, just plain lovely.
* Page 65 is the famous video care package from a Marine Wife. We all heard the story while we were over there. It may have actually happened in Fox 2/7 as Swofford claims. It was an urban legend and may have actually happened but did it actually happen to Swofford's unit? Again, Swofford is more than likely including it, happening to him to sell books.
* On page 70 Swofford is tongue kissing the muzzle of his M16. He goes into great detail describing the taste, texture and such. Guess what? Swofford is one serious retard. Period!
* How many times does Swofford expect us (Marines) to believe that he was in some DIFFERENT Marine Corps than the rest of us? On page 72 he describes Troy being busted for failing a drug test. They busted him from Corporal to Private but left him in STA Platoon. No way, Swofford! At this point, only page 72 out of 260 why haven't you PULLED that trigger and spared us all the BS... JESUS !!!
* On page 74 Swofford tells us that he and Troy ran all night, the perimeter.... until the sun came up. Sure you did Swofford. You just got bored and ran all damn night.
* Page 75 starts the crap about Troy dying. One more time, Swofford tells us about busting up a bar and nothing happening to him. This time the cops do show up and he leads us to believe that the cops were glad the locals got beat up. We are lead to believe that no charges were filed and of course he goes into great detail about all the skulls, bones, tables and chairs getting broken. This was all because some local actually approached them in the bar and told them that they were glad that Troy had died. Wow......... I'll bet you were just minding your business and some locals just approached you to exclaim, "Hey Jarhead, don't you think you need a haircut, just like your *beep* dead friend?" Of course, they got their hair pulled as well. Maybe if Swofford had his earrings in and sideburns the locals wouldn't have known he was a Jarhead? Yeah Swofford, what happened to the earrings and sideburns?
* On page 78 we hear about some reservist Marines who did Troy's funeral asking them about their ribbons. Marine reservists do that all the time. They'll just come out of nowhere, closets, from under your car and down your chimney to confront you about your ribbons and medals.
* OK, something credible from the book. On page 87 Staff Sergeant Siek tells the STA Platoon Marines, "I am here to tell you that you Marines are considered an undisciplined group of showboats." It appears that perhaps 2/7 has only ONE Marine that actually isn't some freakshow with his head completely up his ass as Swofford goes into great detail wanting us to believe. OOH RAH Staff Sergeant Siek, finally someone I respect in this "chronicle."
* Swofford tells us on page 90 that they just blow off orders from Staff Sergeant Siek to train while he is gone and of course they all start drinking alcohol as well. This is the mighty, elite STA Platoon of 2/7. I would soooooooooo want them working with me.
* Page 94, STA 2/7 is passed out drunk when Staff Sergeant Siek returns.
* Page 95, "STA Marines don't grow mustache." Hey Swofford, mustaches are taboo but your earrings and sideburns are "good to go?" Swofford, you need help!!!



continued in next post

Zundfolge
November 4, 2005, 11:41 AM
Here's the rest of the review...


* STA Platoon misses their range time on page 98 because their firewatch fell asleep. Mighty, Mighty STA Platoon, Super Marines, Anthony Swofford, hard as nails and they can't stay awake on firewatch.
* Page 103 Swofford points a loaded weapon at a fellow STA Marine. It's a completely retarded 3-4 pages of Swofford acting all macho and of course nothing happens to him. Nothing happens because Swofford is an elite, sniper, STA Platoon Marine.
* Page 116, Fergus comes to visit Swofford after both were out of the Corps and Fergus has hair down to his ass. You see, since Fergus was a Super, sniper, STA Platoon Marine he could grow hair to his ass in just two years. Swofford claims his hair is now past his shoulders.
* On page 128, Swofford tells us that him being a paperboy as a kid and developed an aiming technique that would later help while tossing grenades. Swofford, how many grenades have you thrown? Probably quite a few as I remember when I was in we'd throw 50-100 of them every single day. We'd steal them and trade them for earrings out in town.
* Page 139 Swofford starts this retarded crap about sucking on bullets. Why doesn't he suck on his earrings?
* Back to the female reporter from the Boston Globe earlier in the "chronicle," on page 140 Swofford tells us that while riding in a Humvee one of his Marines makes an obscene gesture at a passing Mercedes with female Saudi Arabians. As with how the Corps (the Corps that I belonged to) handles this type of thing. Swofford and his entire STA Platoon would have gotten punished beyond belief for this type of behavior. But....... Because I wasn't a STA Platoon, Super Marine.......... Perhaps they were all given a free ride on their behavior?
* Page 143, Swofford tells us again that he was unshaven for weeks. Sure you were, Super Marine.
* Page 179, the first night of the air war, Swofford tells us that the Mighty, Mighty, Super Marine STA Platoon sleeps without a fire watch. I guess it was intentional as he never says it was an accident again. I'm thinking that enough time had passed that the enemy had heard of STA 2/7 and they didn't need a firewatch because no one in their right mind would have the nuts to attack a unit as hard and tough as STA 2/7. I mean, they never shaved for weeks at a time, drank whiskey, and carried sniper rifles. Yes, STA 2/7 was a crack, elite Marine unit for sure. I forgot, they never sipped whiskey, they always finished the entire fifth. That's impressive.
* Page 185 tells us that their Corpsman, Doc Duncan always passed out sleeping pills to anyone who wanted them. Yeah, I sure remember that. We could just approach any Corpsman and he always had sleeping pills, speed, whatever drugs we needed.
* Page 190, Swofford cries (for about the 93rd time in the book) and I believe it's the first time he pees his pants (there are more times). He's crying because he's finally earned his Combat Action Ribbon. Yeah, we all cried when we got the ribbon. Swofford, you are a retard!!!
* Page 191, "Like an E-tool striking a skull." Swofford, have you heard an E-tool striking a skull? Please tell us about it.
* Page 194, Swofford tells us about his first patrol and how they had no support. He tells us that as he's leaving friendly lines, the local Sergeant knows of his plight. Sure Swofford, during patrols, especially ones where STA Platoon was involved, we always knew everything about the patrol. I knew you weren't wearing underwear. Pleeeeeeeeease !!!!
* Page 197, Swofford pees his pants for the second time. Cool, makes the "chronicle" seem so real. I want to read it again.
* Page 198, "The rest of the team returns to battalion and Johnny and I patrol the final click alone." This of course is because Swofford is so tough that only two STA Marines are needed. Did I mention that he's bulletproof as well.
* Page 204 tells us that Swofford's recruiter sold him the Marine Corps by telling him about all the ass he could get overseas. Actually two recruiters told him that at different times. Swofford is underage, a minor, still in highschool and still these Marine recruiters will sit all day and tell him that he can buy a threesome overseas for $40.00. Sure they did as they didn't value their jobs at all. With Swofford, perhaps they could have bought him big, hoop earrings and saved the sex stories.
* Pages 208-209, more Marine Recruiter *beep*
* Page 214 at the bottom, Swofford does this retarded, touchy-feeling thing with leaning his head back, opening his mouth and tasting the rain with oil mix that was falling from the sky in Kuwait. It's very special and reading it makes me cry, pee my pants and want to put earrings in.
* Page 219, Swofford is again talking serious smack as he describes an exchange over the radio where Johnny cusses and rips into the Battalion Executive Officer. I'm very sure it happened as Majors in the Marine Corps just love when junior enlisted Marines call them *beep* and Lousy Dicks" especially over the radio.
* Page 230, Swofford tells us that he and his team are not being used because they are so deadly and that they rifle company commanders want to make sure there are targets for their companies when they get there. So, Swofford and his team are told to stand down because of how dangerous, deadly and after all, they were Super Marine STA Platoon.
* Page 239, Crocket plays with dead Iraqi bodies. This whole thing, maybe a couple of pages worth is absolutely retarded. Who knows, maybe it happened but more than likely our Marine Swofford is just getting stupid again.
* Page 242, Of course there has to be a booby trap thing in the book. Nice going Swofford, you really have it all covered.
* Pages 244-245, Swofford tells us about shooting captured weapons into the air. These guys are STA Platoon and certainly bullet proof as no one gets hit when the rounds return to earth. The end of 245 is so cute, "I weep, screams, carry mad screams home with us.........." This is really good. Great job Swofford, this will sell many books......... maybe a movie will even get made.
* Page 250, one more time, Swofford is so bad that he can just order alcohol when told by a Colonel to NOT do so. This Swofford guy is BAD. Scary Bad, STA Marine.

Sorry, only trying to keep it REAL.......... very much UNLIKE what Anthony Swofford composes, has published and then generates a movie. I really have to say it again, but Swofford's book is NOT about the psychology of men in combat. I'd say it's more about a man who needed help, and still needs help. One thing is for sure, Swofford would have never made it 60 days in MY Marine Corps as we would have identified him as unstable and untrustworthy right off the bat. Last, if he would have EVER pointed a weapon at me for any reason, I would have killed him before the sun went down that day. Does that sound tough? Macho? No one points weapons at other Marines and nothing happens about it. Of course for Super Marine, Anthony Swofford....... the guy who busts up bars and never gets charged, who can run all night till the sun comes up, who likes to french kiss the muzzle of his M16, chew/suck on bullets and cry about every 8 hours, YES, I'm sure it was all so real.

I don't hate Swofford.... he was a Marine and did his time. What you and most others aren't taking into consideration is the truth. Absolutely, not just in combat or the military but even in a 9 to 5 work environment those standing next to each other would have completely different perceptions and memories of events. That is understandable. BUT........ what isn't being taking into consideration is how personal it is to us. What if it hit closer to home for you all? What if it was about YOUR high school football team, dance squad, band, softball team or even church congregation? What if someone wrote a book about an aspect of YOUR life that after you read it you wanted to puke?

Something else that you all can't seem to get through your heads even though it's been absolutely hammered home in the above posts is that Swofford doesn't just "get things mixed up." It's understandable to mix dates up, who was there and who wasn't, the name of a bar or the name of a town. We all do that due to memory and time gone by. This is to be expected and no foul called. BUT........... Swofford's errors are calculated falsehoods. All veterans absolutely HATE the blowhard sitting at the bar telling embellished war stories (guess why kerry lost this election). Swofford is exactly to us what kerry was to the SwiftBoat Veterans. Just like the SwiftBoat Veterans, we just want the truth to be told. What I've listed above in my page by page tearing of his book is mostly stuff that we (Marines) know to be HUGE tall tales and BS. This stuff IS NOT stuff that that gets mixed up in memory over time but stuff that someone has to intentionally create. The theme to all of this BS is absolutely someone puffing his chest out and playing hardass retard.

NOW.... I'm going to throw Swofford a bone as it's only fair. First, Swofford DOES accurately capture the drinking, whoring and brotherhood that the Marine Corps truly is. Most of us would agree with that no questions asked. He and I were in the Corps at the same time and ironically, his banter about the t-shirt iron-on and parents not wanting him to join are exactly the kinds of things that I went through. I also decided to be a Marine after seeing the Beruit bombing on TV and wanted to be part of these Marines carrying their wounded Brothers out of the rubble. That was my defining moment along with Swofford's.

So, as we all keep arguing about this book. Swofford may be a good writer, but his book could have been tweaked in many ways. The bottom line is that a large portion of the book is embellishment and it VERY MUCH turns off those of us that were there. There are enough TRUE stories and incidents from that era of the Corps and Desert Storm to write 100 books and make 10 movies but it's sad that Swofford's stuff may end up being the definitive reference of it all.

goalie
November 4, 2005, 12:58 PM
That is a damn good review. I do have to say though that not all Marines in a STA plt are like that weenie. Not by a long shot.

Tierhog
November 4, 2005, 01:26 PM
Were you there in the gulf in 1991? Were you in a unit that had a STA plt attached to the H&S Company of your battalion?

I was, 3/3 H&S Company NBC NCOIC. One of our STA shooters was killed by an negligent discharge by another STA shooter.

goalie
November 4, 2005, 01:46 PM
I was, 3/3 H&S Company NBC NCOIC. One of our STA shooters was killed by an negligent discharge by another STA shooter.

If I may ask, where were you guys at? I was with 2nd Tanks at the time, and went up with Task Force Ripper while attached to 1/8. I don't even remember where the heck 3rd Marines were at all.

Getting old sucks.

crucible
November 4, 2005, 01:54 PM
Sgt. Rocco needs to write a damn book himself-I'd buy it.

Cruc, with 2nd Med driving around docs in Ripper, Cruc

Tierhog
November 4, 2005, 02:21 PM
If I may ask, where were you guys at? I was with 2nd Tanks at the time, and went up with Task Force Ripper while attached to 1/8. I don't even remember where the heck 3rd Marines were at all.

Getting old sucks.

No doubt getting old sucks...

We were from Hawaii, Task Force Taro, BN CO was LtCol JC Garrett. We started out at Abu Hadriyah, then went into the desert by Ras Al Mishab, this was a little south and west of Kafji. We played a part in the battle of Kafji. We then moved west through the desert and were the first Marine unit to breach the Iraqi line into Kuwait, we then raced to Kuwait International Airport, were we stayed until we returned to SA. By the way, I really liked having a tank around while we were driving north, very comforting.

PressCheck
November 4, 2005, 02:43 PM
IMHO - You'll find VERY FEW Marines that will support this piece of trash.

MarineTech
November 4, 2005, 03:08 PM
I think it's time to chime in on this one.

I was with 2/7 Comm. Platoon during Desert Storm. It is my opinion, as well as that of the 2/7 Marines I keep in touch with, that Swofford isn't going to be invited to any reunions.

Swofford was a continuous screw-up, and wouldn't have stayed in STA platoon if we weren't so under TO at the time. He was about 1 step from seeing the inside of the Pendleton brig at the point we deployed to Saudi Arabia. Most of the Marines in the unit agree that "Jarhead" was written by Swofford as a kind of self motivational story to try an elevate himself above what he truly was, or to get back at Marines that brought his failings to light. Nearly the whole book is embelishment and fabrication(read:outright lies) about actual events.

Considering the normal embelishment of Hollywood, I expect the film to be even more off the facts than the book. Case in point. The character Sgt. Seick in the movie played by Jaime Foxx. He was actually a Staff Sergeant at the time we deployed and was promoted to Gunny shortly after our return. Now don't get me wrong here, I think that Jaime Foxx is an excellent actor and I was stunned by his performance in "Ray", but he really doesn't fit the person he's playing. Seick was a caucasian. I can provide a picture from our Okinawa "Float Book" to anyone interested.

It's that kind of screwup that makes me believe the movie is going to be even further from the truth of what happened to us all.

crucible
November 4, 2005, 05:10 PM
Most of the Marines in the unit agree that "Jarhead" was written by Swofford as a kind of self motivational story to try an elevate himself above what he truly was, or to get back at Marines that brought his failings to light. Nearly the whole book is embelishment and fabrication(readutright lies) about actual events.

That's truely a shame then if that's the case.

But I'll see the movie anyway.

C-

Cosmoline
November 4, 2005, 06:51 PM
"Welcome to the suck" indeed!

nfl1990
November 4, 2005, 08:16 PM
That is really to bad that a Marine would do something like that (write an inaccurate, fictionlized story, and call it the truth)

MikeyBee
November 4, 2005, 09:19 PM
Saw the movie today. It was okay.

I don't understand the "anti-war" label, though. If you don't know that war sucks, that there are some idiots in the military (just as there are idiots in every walk of life) and that, in order to make an interesting book or movie, certain *ahem* liberties have to be taken with the truth, then you need to wake up. The director is not telling us anything new ("See! Bad things happen in war!") :rolleyes:

I never served in combat but I regret to say that I knew some Marines of Swofford's character. Thankfully, they were few.

jefnvk
November 5, 2005, 03:04 AM
Went to the movie tonite.

Wasn't too bad. Seemed kinda like Full Metal Jacket to me, kinda the first half training and prepring, then the second half battle, and the second half being a let down. Even some of the shots they did really reminded me of FMJ.

I don't think it was really anti-Iraqi war, or even anti-war. More of an 'I don't wanna be here' thing.

c3006
November 5, 2005, 07:53 PM
Went to the movie, want my money back:mad:

PeteRR
November 5, 2005, 08:45 PM
I saw it Friday. It wasn't so much an anti-war movie as anti-hanging-out-in-a-desert-with-no-women-no-alcohol-and-nothing-to-do movie.

My historical beef, is they happen upon "The Road Of Death" right before burning oil fields. I believe it was the southern fields in Kuwait that were torched and "The Road Of Death" was north of Kuwait City.

Balog
November 6, 2005, 12:49 AM
Our STA plt is just like the rest of our BN; some good, some bad, undermanned. Swofford goes beyond bitching to the realm of sh*tbag.

There are some crazy people in the Corps. Don't get me wrong, the most normal grunt tends to fall into the deranged and psychotic category on any psych eval. I mean that seriously, any grunt w/ common sense avoids psych evals like the plague. I'm reminded of a story from the last time my gunner was here; he flipped out and started screaming at hajjis that he was gonna kill em and eat their children.:uhoh: Hehe, I'm further reminded of the section leader who used to stab people in the butt if they fell out of runs. Talk about motivation! And he's pretty normal. But there are guys even we think are nuts. So I tend to look at each Marine as an individual, not just as "a Marine." Ole Anthony here sounds like he needed his punk ass beat a few more times.

TimboKhan
November 6, 2005, 06:17 PM
Swofford = Liar.

Boss Spearman
November 6, 2005, 08:22 PM
I think rap's here to stay, whether we like it or not. I don't care for alot of it either, but I don't let it bother me too much.

mr.trooper
November 6, 2005, 09:07 PM
Im avoiding this movie all together. In fact, im avoiding movies all together. every time i go there i sit down expecting to be entertained. What do i get? An arse load of poorly-veiled political retoric, spewed by some over-paid, Know-nothing celebrity.

That same thing happened with "Lord of War." I expected it to be a cool aciton film starting Nicolase Cage...instead i got Ill-concieved political comentary on how the U.S.A is the root of all evil in the world.

I Have no desire to see this movie, or any other for that matter, for quite some time.

mons meg
November 7, 2005, 08:56 PM
Were you there in the gulf in 1991? Were you in a unit that had a STA plt attached to the H&S Company of your battalion?


Yes I was there, and no, I was artillery, not infantry. Was my assessment incorrect?

TimboKhan
November 8, 2005, 01:40 AM
I was in the Gulf in 1991, and we had a STA platoon attached to our H&S company. Keep in mind that these guys were not "elite" troops as such (although some certainly wished to be treated that way). They simply filled a position, and the large percentage of the STA fellows were pretty good guys. Snipers have a reputation as being ass kickers: and, the fact is, it is something of a "cool" job. However, in reality, a sniper killing a guy is no more or less glamorous than any Marine shooting anyone. The good ones are not infected with bloodlust and certainly don't think it's cool to have to kill someone, and the bad ones, like Swofford, are just egotistical jerk offs that don't belong in the military to begin with. In my opinion snipers are a valuable tool, but in the end, they are just Marines and Soldiers with a different job and a different weapon. They are not supermen, and I think the good ones would agree with that. Notice how no one has made a movie about Carlos Hathcock? Do you think that this is because that by all accounts Hathcock was a humble man, who never sought out the glory, and certainly never wrote a piece of trash book like Swofford? Why do you think the only place that we hear about snipers is in gun magazines? I don't recall the Marine or the distance, but I do recall in Guns they had a sidebar for a Marine that set some sort of record for a kill. Other than intra-marine and intra-service talk and gun guys like us, that Marine will likely never be heard of again in the press. I say that to make the point that Swofford wants to be famous, and he is trading on a job title that is percieved to be cool and glamorous. His book and that movie were as much about snipers as Rosie O'Donnel is about protecting children from guns. I went to see the movie because I was a Marine in that war, and from that perspective, it was interesting. But as far as Anthony Swofford goes, he ranks right up there with Ward Churchill for being a professor that is nothing more than a bald faced liar, and who trades on an image he couldn't possibly understand, let alone fulfill.

beaucoup ammo
November 8, 2005, 12:13 PM
Sure captures the Frustration..

Take Care

LaVere
November 8, 2005, 04:46 PM
My wife and I went and saw the movie Saturday. What a waste of time and money. It was just Full metal Jacket poorly done.
The actors were very good filming very good also. It was just a poor story.
While I wasn't a Marine I was in the Army in 1964+ And there were just thing that would have never been done.

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