New M19 2.5 inch and .38 Spl 147gr +P+


Slip Shooter
September 17, 2005, 06:22 PM
Today I purchased a S&W Model 66-2 2 inch RB revolver at the Shreveport Gun Show for $330 out the door.

It's a beautiful piece - Not recessed and not pinned, but with smooth faced Target Trigger and wide Target Hammer. Fully adjustable sights with red front ramp no white outline on rear. It appears to me that the side plate screws have never been removed. The hair line around the side plate/frame is not marred. The buffed finish is very nice with no dings or scratch marks that are discernable except for light cylinder latch marks. No box, no papers.

I am anticipating the release of the new .357 Magnum 135 grain Speer Gold Dots for short barreled revolvers. I really love the .38 Special load. No 135 grain .357 Gold Dots at the Gun Show. SOooooo --- I purchased a box of 50, Federal 38 Special High Velocity (+P+) 147 grain Hydra-Shok JHP's marked "For Law Enforcement Use Only".

Here is my query. Tell me about the .38 Special +P+ Federal 147 grainers out of a 2 inch barrel. Are they safe to also use in my 2 inch S&W M642 Air Weight? I did a search on this and another form but got little information about the ammo. I prefer a low end .357 load for this piece.

Can anyone tell me about what to expect in velocity, penetration and expansion from my, new to me, M19 2 inch Smith with said ammo? Or any other likely ammo for that matter.

I would love to post pictures, but just don't have the ability.

I have also posted on another forum.

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September 17, 2005, 06:58 PM
I don't believe that your 642 is rated for +p+, +p and 38 spec. only. The 66 will be fine for the +p+ though..

Rufus Pisanus
September 17, 2005, 09:33 PM
Congrats! Last Christmas I bought myself a Model 19-3 (with 6in barrel) and I love that gun. Very accurate (and with original wood grips great looking too!).

Slip Shooter
September 17, 2005, 09:33 PM

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September 18, 2005, 11:05 PM
A guy on another siite chronographed them. He said they did 950 feet per second from a 4" barrel, and mid 800's from a 2" barrel. I read that after the 1986 FBI shootout in Miami, the FBI switched from the .38 special 158 gr. LSWCHP+P to the Federal Hydra-Shok 147 gr JHP+P+.

Slip Shooter
September 19, 2005, 12:53 AM
Thanks tbeb for the info.

Anyone else?

September 19, 2005, 12:02 PM
Smith & Wesson web site says the Model 642's caliber is ".38 S&W Special +P".

I heard of one instance, where just 10 rounds of +P+ were fired in a Smith & Wesson "J" frame, and after that it started to misfire. I do not know if this gun was rated for +P's. I personally wouldn't be afraid to carry the +P+'s in a 642, but I would not even fire one of them when practicing.

Ben Shepherd
September 20, 2005, 12:35 AM
Tbeb- if that was me over on TFL(same handle as here) that was winchester ammo I chrono'd-not federal. And it sounds like my chrono numbers.

Federal may be entirely diferent #'s.

September 20, 2005, 01:40 PM
Web site was not TFL.

September 21, 2005, 09:55 PM
The 147 +P+ Federal used to be an optional carry load for Parole Officers in Missouri. During that time period we were advised by trainers to not to use them in alloy framed guns at all. Take it for what you will.

Never shot anybody with it so can't comment on pentration ;) I did find it to be a controllable, extremely accurate load in every revolver I tried it in. I liked it better than than the lighter weight hollowpoint options.

Slip Shooter
September 22, 2005, 09:29 PM
Thanks Blueduck,

I'll be using the Federal 147 grain +P+ Hydra-Shok JHP .38 Specials in my 4 inch M19 and 2.5 inch M66. My carry is a M642. I'll take your advise and not use them in it.

I would still like velocity info for this ammo in the 2.5 M66 and 4 inch M19 revolvers. Seems there is very little information out there on this round. Has anyone chronographed or tested it?

September 22, 2005, 10:02 PM
I'm almost certain "BrokenArrow" over on tested some and came up with 950 fps from a 3" bbl, but could not swear to it.

Might want to PM him if he' still around. At one point he had several GIANT ammo testing threads but it appears most have been lost to the great computer gods :(

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