WTH is Kahr thinking?


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Zundfolge
September 20, 2005, 01:03 PM
So there's been a bit of a hullabaloo over on the Glock Talk Kahr forum about this little marketing animation for the P45 that Glock has on their web site.


http://www.kahr.com/dl_anim.html


:eek:


Wow! Talk about missing your mark (no pun intended)

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dk-corriveau
September 20, 2005, 01:17 PM
Generally, I don't get too excited about this type of stuff, but that was definately in poor taste, even for a Glock hater like myself. :barf:

P. Plainsman
September 20, 2005, 01:26 PM
Ridiculous and offensive. Their marketing needs serious rethinking.

And yeah, I'm not a Glock fan either.

MTMilitiaman
September 20, 2005, 01:33 PM
That's not advertising. That is propoganda. And I must say it is pretty pathetic even for that. I know any interest I had in Kahr for CCW choice just went buy buy with the Super Nazi...

made2cut
September 20, 2005, 01:56 PM
I agree, it's like something a 12 year old kid would come up with. Very bad taste. I was thinking about getting one of those P45's too :(

Correia
September 20, 2005, 02:13 PM
Wow. That was just stupid.

KaceCoyote
September 20, 2005, 02:15 PM
VERY poor taste. Glock is Austrian not german anyway.

QuickDraw9mm
September 20, 2005, 02:20 PM
Absolutely distateful and pointless, I agree. However, as a Kahr owner, I have to say it is one of the nicest and most reliable handguns I have ever owned. I have the CW9, and it is really nice for concealed carry.

Just don't let a stupid marketing video stop you from trying a gun that you may benefit from having.

atblis
September 20, 2005, 02:55 PM
Perhaps it's meant to be tastless?

I like the little bubba critter.

You guys will forget about this in a week anyways (like most good Americans), and still buy the P45 if it suits your fancy.

Silent Bob
September 20, 2005, 03:02 PM
That was so stupid on so many levels it's hard to begin tearing it apart. During World War II, many years before either gun was designed, we have a GERMAN Nazi, armed with an Austrian Glock, get shot by a dog with a gun, while made in America, by a company associated with a KOREAN religous cult. Plus a bunch of American soldiers get massacred. Tasteless and just stupid.

Tom Servo
September 20, 2005, 03:06 PM
I think Silent Bob pretty much summed it all up.

My question is, "who at Kahr thought this was a good idea?!?"

trickyasafox
September 20, 2005, 03:08 PM
and thanks to kahr for setting back gun owners 50 years

hnm201
September 20, 2005, 03:16 PM
Kahr's marketing and sales contact info: frankharris@kahr.com

Dear Mr. Harris,

I find your flash animation "bubba's revenge" to be in remarkably bad taste on a number of levels. I own Kahr steel framed pistols and I consider them to be fine firearms but I carry a Glock everyday. I was seriously thinking about buying one of your short barreled thompsons through my local dealer but I doubt that I will now. I can't understand how you could possibly think that this was a good way to represent your company and it's values. While you may think that the animation is cute, hip or "funny", I am not alone in the opinion of its misplaced negative characterizations. This animation is an embarrassment to your company and to the people who have bought your products in the past and to gun owners everywhere.

Sincerely,

Dominic Bosco
Louisville, KY

AirPower
September 20, 2005, 03:25 PM
probably thought up by the Korean evangelist Sun Young Moon's son, who owns Kahr now.

Zundfolge
September 20, 2005, 04:31 PM
probably thought up by the Korean evangelist Sun Young Moon's son, who owns Kahr now.
Justin Moon is an Engineering geek ... I imagine it was someone he hired to do marketing that thought it up.

And as for "who owns Kahr now", Justin Moon invented the Kahr pistol and started the company ... the moonies didn't swindle the company away from some poor upstanding Christian.

Correia
September 20, 2005, 04:41 PM
Guys, lets keep the religion comments out of this. Religion arguments are good way to get threads locked.

It is still a stupid ad. :)

And actually, it is more of a Glock ad if you think about it.

Okay, so Gaston Glock (I'm assuming that is who it is) travels back in time, and his pistol is so good that he manages to wipe out an entire unit of Americans armed with Tommy Guns (built by Auto Ordnance no less!). Dang. Got to get me one of those Blocks... err... Glocks.

Lonestar.45
September 20, 2005, 04:49 PM
That was the most moronic piece of "marketing" I've ever seen.

1 old 0311
September 20, 2005, 04:52 PM
Don't like plasstic guns. Like that "bit" less.


Kevin

goon
September 20, 2005, 05:02 PM
Well the dog was wearing a US flag on his helmet.
Still pretty crappy though.

denfoote
September 20, 2005, 05:30 PM
They could have had the Austrian Corporal handling the Glock!!! :what:

Ash
September 20, 2005, 05:36 PM
The Austrians were just as strong, in some cases, stronger supporters of the National Socialist movement as the Germans. They have gotten a nice pass because Austria is a nice sounding country that sells clocks and chocolate, but the Nazi cause was embraced by a great many in Austria.

Of course, that was more than 60 years ago and times have changed. As to the animation, it was cheesy, in bad taste, and of no value save for one who is practicing his 1st Ammendment rights.

I suppose it says that Gaston was or is a Nazi. While that may certainly be possible, as a lad he might have been. Of course, he might have been covertly saving the lives of hundreds of Jews. I know not the answer.

Ash

Double Naught Spy
September 20, 2005, 05:36 PM
VERY poor taste. Glock is Austrian not german anyway.

KaceCoyote, you are correct in that Glock is Austrian and not German. HOWEVER, the stupid little flash animation takes place BEFORE the end of WWII when Austria was part of Germany, having been annexed in 1938. Plus, Hitler was Austrian and he was dictator of Germany. Note that there is no claim anywhere that Glock is German.

Of course, if you are going to belabor the facts, neither Glock or Kahr pistols were around during WWII. Plus, Bubba is apparently a sadistic puss for letting his fellow Americans be wiped out. This would not be in proper character for a bubba. Bubbas may not be terribly bright, but they are loyal and patriotic.

atblis
September 20, 2005, 09:52 PM
it is supposed to represent Glock taking over the US gun market, And Kahr being the company to fight back.

MachIVshooter
September 20, 2005, 09:57 PM
The most ridiculous part of the advertisement campaign for the P45 is that they haven't even started shipping them yet. :rolleyes:

albanian
September 20, 2005, 10:10 PM
I am not a fan of Glocks. I am not a fan of Kahr's plastic guns. I am a huge fan of the all steel Kahrs however. I think the K-9 is the very best single stack 9mm EVER made for CCW. It is without question, I fine handgun.

Now, about this ad. Why do all the Americans have to die? That seems strange to me. Why did the Americans look like dirt bags and the Nazi look like a stud? Nothing is an accident. :scrutiny:

The good news is, I won't let it ruin my life. :D It is just a stupid ad that some moron thought would appeal to dumb Americans. Isn't that what all ads are? Some work, some don't. If you want to be really insulted, try watching a beer commercial sometime.

Anyway, who cares? I am more interested in the range reports of the new gun than anything else.

Mulliga
September 20, 2005, 10:31 PM
It's just a stupid animation. In bad taste, sure, but look at the other stuff on that page - "Saddam Hussein Airport Shuttle" shooting game, "Osama Bin Laden Hot Dogs." Justin Moon isn't making a social commentary on American GIs or Nazis or whatever - it's probably some nerdy flash animator cooking all this junk up.

Whatever you think of them, Kahr is an American company, with guns invented, patented, and manufactured in the U.S. They licensed the double-captive recoil spring from Seecamp instead of trying to lawyer their way through it. I much prefer their business practices to many other American gun companies.

nero45acp
September 20, 2005, 10:39 PM
I hope Kahr's engineers, and machinists have better judgement than their advertising department. :eek:


nero

gbelleh
September 20, 2005, 10:53 PM
It sure is stupid, but as Mulliga pointed out, in the tradition of past un-PC Kahr Flash games.

Instead of making stupid animations, Kahr should make a K45.

They have quite a disclaimer about it:


"WARNING!!

This animation contains graphic violence and is intended for mature viewers only.

The events, settings, third-party products and characters in the animation are wholy fictitious. No depiction or suggestion of actual events, settings, third-party products or other individuals is made or intended. We also do not intend for the animation to indicate any particular race, ethnic group, nationality, religion, occupation, locale or product.

If the animation does not suit your taste, or if you find any aspects of it offensive, please simply refrain from viewing and respect the rights of others to express their feelings in this manner.

We hope you enjoy the animation."

hnm201
September 20, 2005, 11:05 PM
"If the animation does not suit your taste, or if you find any aspects of it offensive, please simply refrain from viewing and respect the rights of others to express their feelings in this manner."

First of all, the animation isn't expressing any "feelings" - it's just dumbazz chest beating. What's are the "feelings" supposed to be? "I feel that Kahr's pistols are patriotic and capable of defeating fascism. I feel that fascism's favorite weapon is a Glock and I feel it necessary to imply that Gaston Glock is a fascist."

I don't think that anyone is writing to them and claiming that they don't have a right to express their feelings in an asinine video that only a crack addled retarded pre-teen could consider to be a "cool". I guess that they don't understand that others have the right to criticism and judge them by their words and deeds. Kahr, if you don't want to be criticized, don't say or do or make anything.

ziadel
September 20, 2005, 11:11 PM
seems to me with the whole 'glock perfection' stuff going around, karmically, glock had this coming.


isn't austria the birthplace of national socialism anyways?
web was a smart dude, I'm inclined to believe him.

spooney
September 20, 2005, 11:29 PM
So Otto Skorzeny used a Glock, and was killed by a dog thing. Not exactly historically correct but whatever.

farad
September 20, 2005, 11:33 PM
"KAHR Great guns! World's stupidest advertising! Yes you saw that correctly, our mascot dog shoots SuperNazis! Yes some of our advertising department is mentally ill..."

atblis
September 20, 2005, 11:43 PM
For christ sakes guys, it's not like Kahr is selling toasters. I think I actually want one of those now (The pistol, not a toaster).

Germany and Austria might as well be the same country (at least that's what Hitler thought).

They are calling Glock a bunch of Nazis, and saying their new gun is going to finally be the Glock killer everybody has been hoping for.

farad
September 20, 2005, 11:45 PM
They are calling Glock a bunch of Nazis, and saying their new gun is going to finally be the Glock killer everybody has been hoping for.

Everybody? Only some well seasoned gun nuts. Most people won't even get that angle.

Kahr is great. Their service is great. But their advertising has always been stupid.

ziadel
September 20, 2005, 11:56 PM
this is kinda disturbing... anyone know anything about this?

Mr Gaston Glock has bonds of friendship with the party on a political
level and personally with the leader of the FPOe (Mr J. Haider) in
Austria and is commonly recognised to be a main sponsor of that
political right extremist party. Further, Gaston Glock, is
considered by journalists as a supporter of an historical well known
right extremist "german" ideology.
http://www.boosman.com/blog/archives/2003/03/you_dont_mess_w.html

farad
September 21, 2005, 12:00 AM
Big Whoop. Arnold has ties with NAZI's yet he's a gun grabbing lefty RINO twit.

I guess that makes sense when you think about it though.

Black Majik
September 21, 2005, 01:08 AM
Wow... that was pretty bad... :rolleyes:

Mixlesplick
September 21, 2005, 03:51 AM
I thought Justin Moon came up with the name "Kahr" because it sounded German and he wanted people to associate his pistols with the idea of fine German engineering. Just a thought.

I still like my Kahr K40 and wouldn't mind getting an MK40. I usually research purchases well before buying so goofy advertising doesn't influence me much.

chopinbloc
September 21, 2005, 06:19 AM
their polymer pistols look like glocks, have similiar actions and their advertising continuously compares them to glocks but their capacities are dismal. sure one of their pistols is fractionally lighter and fractionally smaller than the g26 problem is it holds about half as much. who the hell wants a 6 shot 9mm anyway? might like their guns more if they had advertisements that weren't so ludicrous.

oh, and my letter to their ad guy:

re: bubba's revenge flash animation
are you guys retarded?

FullEffect1911
September 21, 2005, 09:20 AM
The ad was in terrible taste, however it worked... look how many people already saw the thing. Sounds like a good ploy to get the kahr p45 name out there... Tricky marketing guys. Still i can't stand advertiseing like this (or at all for the most part) and an ad like this shouldn't exist.

atblis
September 21, 2005, 09:25 AM
A 6 shot 9mm sounds reasonable as long as it is small.

MaterDei
September 21, 2005, 09:30 AM
Why are you all so offended? You guys have your panties in a bunch over a cartoon. Granted, it's not very PC but who cares?

Seriously, where is the offense? Is it because American GIs are being killed or is it because they are insinuating that Nazi's used Glocks?

Double Naught Spy
September 21, 2005, 10:05 AM
The offensive parts are that a patrol of American soldiers armed with things like submachineguns can be ambushed and wiped out by a lone Nazi with a pistol. So apparently American soldiers are inept. Then the Nazi is killed by some chicken Bubba who didn't help in the fight against the Nazi when the patrol was in trouble. He kills the Nazi with his Kahr 45 after the fact and is grinning like he just won the lottery even though a whole patrol of his fellow Americans has just been killed.

So, the Kahr P45 is the gun of chicken Americans who can't be bothered to help out their fellow Americans when they are under fire, but who will beam proudly about the great accomplishment of vengance without ever giving the fellow dead Americans a final thought.

Doesn't that make you want to go out and buy some P45s?

svtruth
September 21, 2005, 12:42 PM
I'd like to see that survey. If you can find them, are they really undercover?

cslinger
September 21, 2005, 12:57 PM
Without reading anything into it, that was just stupid. Whoever said it reminded them of a little kids/high school students take on advertising hit the nail on the head.

Zundfolge
September 21, 2005, 03:04 PM
Big Whoop. Arnold has ties with NAZI's yet he's a gun grabbing lefty RINO twit.

ALL Nazis are Gun grabbing leftist twits (and no I don't buy this stupid notion that Communism is the "extreme left" and Fascism the "extreme right" with everything else in between ... that would be like saying that Hip Hop is on the extreme left of music and Gangsta rap is on the extreme right and the entire spectrum of music is between those two poles :rolleyes: )

Ohen Cepel
September 21, 2005, 03:16 PM
Stupid ad!

bulbboy
September 21, 2005, 03:24 PM
I am a big Kahr fan! But I just sent them a blistering email - that is the stupidest thing to do! :banghead:

lotus
September 21, 2005, 03:45 PM
Hmmm, which weapon do I want more?

The one that can wipe out a squad of paratroops who are returning fire with automatic weapons? Or the one that can pop a lone, unsuspecting target?

I wish my grandpa had taken a few Glocks off of SuperNazis during his tour!

Pietro Beretta
September 21, 2005, 04:06 PM
Kind of reminds me of Joe Camel, and Cigarettes.

At first I thought this was a joke. This is , like most other people think, is in VERY poor taste. :cuss:

El Tejon
September 21, 2005, 04:07 PM
Ummm, did they run this by the attorneys for Kahr before they decided to run this moronic piece? :uhoh:

MDG1976
September 21, 2005, 07:19 PM
Offensive and just plain dumb. :barf:

KurtC
September 21, 2005, 10:03 PM
It is not a German killing Americans. It represents a Germanic gun company (Austrian Glock) killing off American gun companies. Then a new American company (Kahr) comes to the rescue.

However, unless the P45 is going to sell for $400, the SuperNazi will probably have 9 lives.

ruger270man
September 22, 2005, 01:16 AM
Hahaha, I thought it was kind of funny.

Andrew S
September 22, 2005, 11:47 AM
Dumb advertising but I wouldnt not buy a Kahr because of one simple advertisement.

JohnBT
September 22, 2005, 12:29 PM
http://www.kahr.com/images/ad2005_pm9094.jpg


This still cracks me up everytime I see it.

JT

Marshall
September 22, 2005, 12:38 PM
More proof that drugs don't work.

MTMilitiaman
September 22, 2005, 02:57 PM
Okay there is no way to excuse this kind of marketing. We are talking about a defensive handgun. Most buyers, perhaps all smart buyers, don't care to discuss religious ideology or socio-economic beliefs as much as functionality. The Kalashnikov was designed and produced by Communists but has remained popular in the United States because it works and as much as some of us would like to pat Eugene Stoner on the back by purchasing an American product, that is not how a free market works. There is noteable exceptions to this, for example, I am not sure I really care for HK anymore because they continually point a blind eye and a cold shoulder to the American civilian market. And I don't even consider Colt because from what I understand, their owner is an avid anti, but for the most part, if I feel a company is "on my side" I am willing to support them and I don't care what religion or market system they adher to.
Secondly, we are Americans in a time of war and even animated, most of us are not prepared to watch any sort of representation of American service men and women being massacred--esp not in the name of humor for some sick advertisement. My brother will be in Iraq by the end of the week. My dad was in the Army when Beruit occured and was terrified he stood a very real possibility of being deployed and missing the arrival of his new born son--me. My grandpa was in Korea in 53. Everywhere I look I see yellow ribbons. Regardless of whether or not people support Bush, most people I know are extremely supportive of our troops. Even to demonstrate a point of limited and arguable relivence, how could Kahr think for one minute that such a depiction was intelligent or tasteful?
Lastly, I am not "getting my panties in a wad." I am merely expressing my disapproval for a company's choosen advertising campaign by stating that their ad has failed to encourage me to purchase their product and in fact their bad taste may have encouraged exactly the opposite. I am not piping mad and steaming and am not about to make a huge fuss about it. For me it comes down to they made a bad decision that represents their company poorly and I am not about to reward them for it.

bulbboy
September 22, 2005, 06:16 PM
Very well put!! I hope you email them or drop them a line!!

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