Springfield XD vs. Glock


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RoarinRow
September 20, 2005, 07:52 PM
Hi All,

I'm a newbie looking for some advice. For home protection and first time handgun owner I am trying to decide on the Springfield XD 40 SW and the Glock (not sure what the model number is, but should be 40 SW as well).

They both seem to have similar if not the same safety features, easy to clean, and are accurate from what I'm told. They have the same look and feel although I never shot any of them before.

Any thing else I need to consider or not for these two models? Must be 40 caliber and easy to use.

Thanks!

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orangeninja
September 20, 2005, 08:08 PM
There are a ton of threads on this question...I recommend a search. For my .02 I recommend Glock. Glock is a little more refined and has a higher quality control. I have personally owned 5 Glocks and 4 XD's and though XD is a good gun, its quality control is not where Glock is as of yet. Also for ease of use and ease of maintenance, Glock finishes are the stuff legend is made of and nothing is easier to use than a Glock, pull the trigger, it goes bang, everytime.

Lastly, Glock .40's have less perceived recoil than XD, this could be grip angle, bore axis or funny little gremlins, I don't know, but in side to side comparison Glock seems to be less abusive.

Lastly Lastly, where I am you literally trip over Glock armorers at the range and police departments...I've never seen so much support for a product in my life.

Stinkyshoe
September 20, 2005, 08:25 PM
Get the Glock. Although the grip and grip angle on the xd feels better right away, I think the Glock has numerous advantages over the Xd. Just my conclusion. I don't think you'd go wrong either way though. Shoot one first, then decide...

RoarinRow
September 20, 2005, 08:27 PM
Great, thanks. This is the type of feedback that's hard to find on the net. Appreciate it.

Marshall
September 20, 2005, 08:39 PM
Both are great guns, I don't think you can beat this 4" stainless service model XD-40. Personally, I like the grip feel and grip safety.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/xd-pistol/XD9301bi.jpg

Kruzr
September 20, 2005, 08:42 PM
I've shot both of them in various models of 9 and 40. I like the ergonomics of the XD better than the Glocks. FWIW, our range has both for rent. It's not uncommon for people to rent and shoot both to compare. I'd say it runs about 80% that people prefer the feel and trigger of the XD's. Our Glocks have the dreaded NY triggers but people say they like the feel of the XD better.
What this proves is each to his own. Only you can decide which is the better gun for you. Try both and then make up your mind.

RoarinRow
September 20, 2005, 10:49 PM
I did like the feel of the Springfield better, but you're right I should go and try them out.

Gannet
September 20, 2005, 11:57 PM
One thing to possibly consider is that Springfield has instituted a policy of no parts sales to anyone, period. That means that all service has to be done by sending it back to the factory.

Reports are that the factory service is good, with no squawking at all about the lifetime warranty, but it also means you are without your gun for weeks.

RoarinRow
September 21, 2005, 12:30 AM
Wow, that's good to know. How about for the Glocks?

pax
September 21, 2005, 12:43 AM
You can get Glock parts from a lot of different places (like www.glockmeister.com). Both Glock and Springfield have good service departments, though.

They both seem to have similar if not the same safety features, easy to clean, and are accurate from what I'm told. They have the same look and feel although I never shot any of them before.
Safety features: the XD features a grip safety, and the Glock does not. I personally do not like the grip safety, but you might prefer it. Mostly it's a matter of taste. The one difficulty I have seen with a grip safety, and the reason I don't like it, is that for some people it can be hard to hold the grip safety down while retracting the slide. If you have to shift your hand around in order to pull the slide back, it could be a problem for you. If not, it won't be. All depends on hand size.

Both are easy to disassemble & reassemble, both are easy to clean. Glock might have a very slight edge there, but if so, it's very minor.

Looks are very similar, though to my eye the XD is slightly more attractive.

Feel is slightly different in a couple of ways.

The triggers are very alike because they both have the trigger safety nubbly thing, but the trigger on the XD is going to be a little crisper when pulled and it is thus slightly better.

The grip sizes are very similar, but the grip angles are noticeably different. Most people seem to prefer the grip angle of the XD, but plenty prefer the Glock. You'll have to figure out which one works with your hands. My hands are the same size as my husband's, but he prefers the XD and I prefer the Glock -- probably because my wrists are more flexible than his. Handling them in the store would be good, and it would be better still if you could shoot both. Couple of folks I know prefer the feel of one but actually shoot the other one better.

That's about it. Oh, if I remember right, the XD is a little heavier. Not enough to matter, just something else to look at. Heavier generally means a little less felt recoil when you're shooting, but it also means less pleasant to carry around.

Can I ask why as a new shooter, you've chosen to go with the .40 instead of a 9mm?

pax

orangeninja
September 21, 2005, 12:45 AM
I've always thought the XD trigger had more play in it.

RoarinRow
September 21, 2005, 01:13 AM
Hi Pax,

From what I remember at the store, the XD felt more comfortable in my hand and yes I did like the look of the XD even though both are similar.

The Glock was good too, better than the Beretta I held, maybe because the Beretta was all steel.

Both stores I visited recommended the .40 as far as having more impact. The police officers and military people they have helped also use the .40 for more stopping power.

For home protection that seems to interest me more. I forgot to try the grip safety, so I will do that the next time I am there.

The minor differences in disassembly don't matter too much to me, but safety does. However, on the same token I want to be able to release all safety latches quickly and efficiently to release the trigger when I need too.

Alduro - you mean it has more play from side to side? Not sure I would like that, but maybe it was that gun in particular?

pax
September 21, 2005, 01:24 AM
As far as stopping power, with equally-good (hollowpoint) ammunition there really is not much difference between the two calibers. The .40 is only slightly more powerful, and it is used by more police depts, but it is also more expensive so you might not practice as much as you would with the less expensive 9mm. I've always thought the learning curve for new shooters was less steep with a 9mm than a .40, because of the recoil difference, and so you're less likely to develop a flinch if you start with a 9mm. That is just my opinion and you'll find lots of people who would argue with most of what I just said! ;)

In any case, it doesn't matter so much what someone else thinks; what matters is what you think after researching it. If you want to go with the .40, there's definitely nothing wrong with it.

pax

Pietro Beretta
September 21, 2005, 01:32 AM
The thing about the XD grip saftey, You dont notice it when your fireing the gun, ever. Just grip the handgun like normal, and that "deactivates" the saftey.


The only thing the Glock has on the XD in my eyes: Finnish

I also hear that when completely disassembling the glock, when you go to re-assemble supposedly its near impossible to put a piece in backwards. Its been reported that the same is not near as true for the XD. However this is complete disassembly, not just a normal Field Strip. I think the XD field strips quicker than the Glock.

RoarinRow
September 21, 2005, 01:39 AM
I will have to rent these two models and shoot them at the range. Recoil is a consideration, but comfort and ease of use is higher on my priority list.

albanian
September 21, 2005, 01:50 AM
This has been done to death but there are few points that always come up.

1. They are very different feeling so you MUST at least hold each one before you buy. Side by side is better. Shooting both is best.

2. The finish on the black coated XD is not as good as the Glock.

3. The SS XD is never talked about for some reason but it is the only one that should be purchased.

4. The XD is less money than the Glock even in SS.


Those are 100% truths. For opinions, read on.

RoarinRow
September 21, 2005, 01:53 AM
Thanks for your feedback. As soon as I get more accustomed to the site, I'm sure I'll find these old topics more easily.

GotGlock
September 21, 2005, 05:22 AM
I handled both when i was "shopping" for a firearm, the guys at the shop showed me 2 pistols, the XD and the glock. I liked the glock grip more, it felt more natural and pointed better for me. Another thing i overheard the last time at the range, the XD that was sent to them for a rental broke after a month, and springfield was sending them a replacement, the glocks they have are all 2nd gen's that have more rounds through them then anyone can count. They said it was probably a lemon, but that still made me happy about my decision.

Rockstar
September 21, 2005, 09:08 AM
Roarin: The military doesn't use the .40. There's no "knock down" reason to choose the .40 over 9mm. Shoot some 9mm; price 9mm ammo; check out mag capacity of Glocks and XDs in 9mm.

I prefer Glocks, but a lot of people like XDs. I haven't run any scientific polls, nor am I aware of any, about the percentage of handgunners who prefer the grip of one over the other, so I can't comment on whether "most" prefer the XD grip. I'd opine, however, that "most" have felt Glock grips, as there are a coupla million more Glocks out there than there are XDs. :D

RoarinRow
September 21, 2005, 11:03 AM
I guess I know what I'm doing at lunch - going back to the store and handling both with a more careful eye and hand. As far as .9 and .40 it doesn't matter too much to me, but the store person mentioned stopping power and that sounded appealing to me.

I'll have to test both and see.

Major Beer
September 21, 2005, 11:08 PM
being a 9mm and 40 shooter, the 9mm ammo is cheaper. both guns are real close in design, so i becomes a chevy / ford thang - regardless, give us a post on what you bought and share you first range experience. both are quality made.

me i bought an XD because of feel, that was just me. i love it.

regardless of your purchase, plan on scoring some good ammo to run throught it, and also get some good self defense ammo for home D. i am not sure on what your experience is with handguns, but maybe look into some additional trainingas well.

shoot safe, and have fun

The Reverend
September 21, 2005, 11:37 PM
Other XD "improvements" over original Glock design:

1. Improved sights---the XD uses ALL METAL sights exactly like sights used on SIGARMS pistols... ie not plastic. Hence they are more durable and easily available if replacement is desired.

2. Metal Mags---Glock factory mags are plastic which in some situations will not drop free during a reload. XD mags are highly polished chrome or SS and drop free in every situation (unless you are dealing with a FTF or FTE and then no mag will drop).

3. Field Strip---The take down lever (again borrowed from SIG) improves the speed and simplicity of field stripping.

4. Grip Angle---while this has been mentioned, it bears mentioning again. For most shooters who would love to love GLOCK, the grip angle and handling qualities are the most common complaints. IM Metal heard these folks and took the one of teh most common grip angles out there (19 degrees) and incorporated it into their weapon. Yes, it is similar to the 1911 but it is also similar to the CZ-75/85, Beretta, SIG, and others.

5. Grip Safety---Again this has already been discussed, but again another common complaint is that the GLOCK's singular safety )safe action trigger) is not enough for some. The grip style safety is proven technology and is still a passive system. Unlike many guns with passive safeties, it does not hamper a good trigger pull as many have already attested, the XD trigger is a vast improvement OOTB over the GLOCK.

For years I have wanted to love the GLOCK. I love the durability and simplicity of the design, but there are simply too many minor issues that keep me from taking the plunge. The HS2000/XD design corrected many of those issues and has proven to be a highly accurate pistol that rivals my SW1911.

Both are great and should be considered by all who desire a serious defensive firearm.

Donning my flame suit!!!

God Bless!

Texshooter
September 21, 2005, 11:47 PM
I own both, I love both for different reasons (ain't America GREAT?) but nobody has mentioned------









THE STINKING FINGER GROOVES :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Growler
September 22, 2005, 12:04 AM
I'm sure glock is a very fine gun, but I prefer my XD 9. What turned me off from getting a glock was the grip angle. Only thing one can do is try both out.

RoarinRow
September 22, 2005, 12:48 AM
Well, I didn't make it back to the shop since I was on call for Jury duty, but I will definitely make plans for this weekend.

You all are awesome! Thanks for your feedback!

stogiegila
September 22, 2005, 12:57 AM
I owned both. Got rid of the XD. While I liked its features better than the Glock, bottom line was I was significantly more accurate with the Glock.

The XD had more recoil and muzzle flip than the Glock. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I liked the looks of the Glock better too.

I also preferred the trigger of the Glock over the XD.

idakfan
September 22, 2005, 02:13 AM
I'd really like a Glock but don't know about those plastic sights, out of box accuracy and how (annoying if so) the sights are to get on target.

Could somebody fill me in?

Thanks!

rgoudy1975
September 22, 2005, 02:23 AM
I've had both and I have to say that I like my XD better because of the angle, but the muzzle flip is a bit snappier.

halbritt
September 22, 2005, 04:46 AM
If this is a first handgun purchase, I'd would heartily advise getting the 9mm over the .40S&W. You'll get better capacity and less felt recoil, though this isn't exactly true for some. 9mm does seem to me to have a bit quicker recoil impulse with less overall imparted energy, so it seems a bit "snappier". The real benefit is that 9mm is cheaper, which allows you to shoot more and develop more skill. True skill wins over stopping power any day. That, and the stopping power issue is subject to debate. I wouldn't use 9mm with hardball ammo if I could avoid it, but with modern hollow-points, I'd feel more than comfortable with it.

One can't really assess the true difference between quality and reliability given that the XD has only been around for a short period of time and the Glock has an extensive service record. It should be enough to say that the XD has sufficient quality and reliability and the Glock has an excellent record.

Grip angle and shape seem to be the big difference. The XD has a grip angle similar to a 1911 while the Glock has a steeper angle requiring more cant in the wrists. It is my personal opinion that the steeper angle fosters a better grip, but then that's just opinion. The depth of the grip on the XD seems to be shorter front-to-back which might accomodate smaller hands better. One should shoot both to figure out which is more comfortable in the hands. However, I'm not sure how valuable this would be to an inexperienced shooter that hasn't developed a proper grip.

I'll offer my opinions with the caveat that I prefer and shoot a Glock. I have shot an XD quite a bit and don't really like it as much. I believe that the lower bore-axis of the Glock can make recoil management a bit better with proper grip and a little added relief on the trigger-guard.

As stated, the XD usually has a better trigger out of the box. However, there are many different permutations of the Glock trigger than can affect one's perception. There are a few different connectors that are available as well as production variations between pistols. A friend purchased a G23 at the same time that I purchased a G35. I threw a 5Lb connector in mine to compare them side-by-side and discovered that his trigger was a bit nicer and crisper from the factory. I examined the parts in either and couldn't come up with a solid explanation for the difference. The parts were mostly identical. In any event, both the Glock and the XD could both use some trigger work as they come from the factory. Yes, this even holds true for pistols intended for carry.

The factory sights are better on the XD, but that's usually the first item to get replaced on a Glock anyway. Of course, this increases the price differential, but imho, a Glock isn't complete without a set of Heinies.

One of the things that's probably more important than deciding on which brand to purchase will be deciding on which length to purchase. For the purposes of shooting comfort, I would stay away from the compact and sub-compact versions unless they are specifically intended to be carried concealed frequently. A G17 is more pleasant to shoot than a G19. A G34 may be more pleasant to shoot than a G17, but opinions vary on this. A few prefer the felt recoil of the G17. XD has similar length models in either caliber.

Magazines for the Glock are plastic and metal-lined. I've never had a problem with a new magazine dropping free. However, they can develop issues if they get scratched or scuffed. Older magazines of earlier generations can also have issues. XD magazines are certainly prettier, but they're also less common and a bit more expensive.

Good luck with your decision. Either is a good gun, so you should be fine in any case. If you get one and decide you like the other, you can always sell it and then get the other. Then there's the best possible solution, which is to get both.

RoarinRow
September 22, 2005, 11:07 AM
These are all thoughtful points of consideration. I'm sure it will come down to comfort and ease of use since it won't be on my person or used for competition.

I do want my choice to be dependable, accurate, and of course safe. On the other side of the token I want it to have stopping power, which I'm sure a .9 or .40 can handle for home protection.

Thank you all!

Browns Fan
September 23, 2005, 08:56 AM
I dont understand why some of you dont like the sights on a Glock. It's OK to have a plastic frame, but it's not OK to have plastic sights? Dont get me wrong, I prefer and have an XD. I have always been tempted to buy a Glock, but, the grips are too big, feels like I'm holding a brick instead of a pistol.

GunGoBoom
September 23, 2005, 10:34 AM
XD is the hands down, no contest winner on every count except the finish and the aftermarket accessories. So if you're in the swamp or plan to take it camping, get a glock. If not, get an XD - much more pistol for the money (but for the finish issue). Many prior threads detail they 'whys' of this - do a search. Also would advise the 9mm - more capacity and just as effective as .40. Plus a lot cheaper.

Stinkyshoe
September 23, 2005, 12:09 PM
I prefer the glock, but do agree the grip angle and 'feel' is much better on the xd. However, after you shoot a glock a while, the grip feels good on that too. Either way, they are both very fine.

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